That is the problem Russ they don't have a job piss poor management.
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Puerto Penasco Home Port
Started by El Gato · Jan 7, 2014 · 848 replies
word is giant squid favor Mexican take out...spicier...
Landshark said:They say this & then take days off. A gringo interprets this remark as working 24/7 until completion because that's the way we have been raised. A Mexican worker explained their way to me once; "Americans live to work, Mexicans work to live." Made me rethink a lot of things. Mañana amigos, mañana!
A friend explained one time that a Mexican kid will say, "Dad, it's a beautiful day for the Beach! Can we go?" The Dad will think a moment, "Work? Beach? Work will wait - my kid might not." And off they go to the beach. A US Dad will think, "Work? Beach? The beach (and my kid) can wait until tomorrow. I need to get this work finished." I have to admit, I always left mopping the floors for manana and headed to the beach with the kids. In my 70s now with them all grown up the memories I love are those beach days - not scrubbing the floors. The port will get built - manana - in the meantime I'm betting they are enjoying some beach days.
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El Gato said:A friend explained one time that a Mexican kid will say, "Dad, it's a beautiful day for the Beach! Can we go?" The Dad will think a moment, "Work? Beach? Work will wait - my kid might not." And off they go to the beach. A US Dad will think, "Work? Beach? The beach (and my kid) can wait until tomorrow. I need to get this work finished." I have to admit, I always left mopping the floors for manana and headed to the beach with the kids. In my 70s now with them all grown up the memories I love are those beach days - not scrubbing the floors. The port will get built - manana - in the meantime I'm betting they are enjoying some beach days.
Part true part romantic clap trap...go to the Asparagus fields and watch the happy go lucky Mexican workers pulling 12 hour shifts.Go to Heradura Mine and see what a long day in hell looks like,talk to shop girls in Caborca that take home 60 pesos a day,On the other hand Mexican workers on their own and with like minded crew members do work in bursts...fishermen when it's time to fish or construction crew that work a half day Saturday when the weather is hotter and a hour less in the week.Mexican workers are screwed....crooked unions,sellout politicians,bad trade deals that did not enforce labor standards....sometimes when the man pretends to pay you you pretend to work right back at him.
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How's the Home Port doing??
El Gato said:
Picture just posted by the Puerto Penasco Home Port site on FB - progress as of January 6, 2014.
We are coming down to the Reef for Memorial weekend, does anyone know what the status is of the Reef now that there's been progress on the port?
The Reef is open and remodeled. You can sit outside and watch the port being built
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The Reef is open and remodeled. You can sit outside and watch the port being built
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Phoneguy55 said:The Reef is open and remodeled. You can sit outside and watch the port being built
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I think she is talking about the RV Park, not the bar. Not sure if the Park is open or not.
mis2810 said:I think she is talking about the RV Park, not the bar. Not sure if the Park is open or not.
Naomi and I just spent a week at the reef rv park, it is open
Thanks everyone, yes I was talking about The Reef RV Park
We joined a group today to view the progress being made on the cruise ship port. There is no progress. We interviewed one of the 2 dozen men standing around their trucks and he said they were not working because they had not been paid. He said he was owed 60,000 P, and his friends volunteered they were owed 30,000 to 90,000 P. He said there has been 2 weeks of work since early February. He mentioned they all owe for diesel credit they had received from some supplier. When asked, he said the problem was caused by disputes between the Federal govt and the State govt, which are different parties. He used the Democruts and Repubicans as an example.
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JWT said:We joined a group today to view the progress being made on the cruise ship port. There is no progress. We interviewed one of the 2 dozen men standing around their trucks and he said they were not working because they had not been paid. He said he was owed 60,000 P, and his friends volunteered they were owed 30,000 to 90,000 P. He said there has been 2 weeks of work since early February. He mentioned they all owe for diesel credit they had received from some supplier. When asked, he said the problem was caused by disputes between the Federal govt and the State govt, which are different parties. He used the Democruts and Repubicans as an example.
What a giant cluster ........
Jeez Russ let them do their job as you said to me I hope you don't have them build your new van as I said at the start does anyone know the contractor of record
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HILL BOY said:Jeez Russ let them do their job as you said to me I hope you don't have them build your new van as I said at the start does anyone know the contractor of record
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I guess if I had actual money invested I may be concerned, but since I don't....a daily report about things that don't really concern me is a waste.....To complain about something you don't have a personal interest in is simply pissing in the wind...it means nothing, don't waste your free time int his game.
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mexicoruss said:I guess if I had actual money invested I may be concerned, but since I don't....a daily report about things that don't really concern me is a waste.....To complain about something you don't have a personal interest in is simply pissing in the wind...it means nothing, don't waste your free time int his game.
Russ, personal interest isn't only defined by monetary investment. All of us here have a personal interest because it affects a place we frequent and enjoy. I agree that a daily report isn't necessary, but you have to admit this is beginning to look like a disaster. There's word around town that lots of money, not just from federal funds for the port, but local funds as well, are being "diverted" by local politicians for their own personal "projects". Welcome to Mexico. But I still love the place - warts and all.
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I happen to like getting reports, good and bad.
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mexicoruss said:I guess if I had actual money invested I may be concerned, but since I don't....a daily report about things that don't really concern me is a waste.....To complain about something you don't have a personal interest in is simply pissing in the wind...it means nothing, don't waste your free time int his game.
Some on this forum smelled a rat from the beginning.They were attacked by other Americans with dreams of wealth from the flow of travelers coming to take a cruise.The boosters seemed to ignore the fact that the bread and butter of Puerto Penasco ( the American vacation home owner) will be negatively effected by this influx.Now it looks like another problem with this project is being revealed.A fight for control of the project between PAN and PRI possibly or is it a attempt to cleanup the culture of corruption by one side before things proceed? ( the rumor I heard)
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ron said:I happen to like getting reports, good and bad.
Ok sorry I'll be quite
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jerry said:Some on this forum smelled a rat from the beginning.They were attacked by other Americans with dreams of wealth from the flow of travelers coming to take a cruise.The boosters seemed to ignore the fact that the bread and butter of Puerto Penasco ( the American vacation home owner) will be negatively effected by this influx.Now it looks like another problem with this project is being revealed.A fight for control of the project between PAN and PRI possibly or is it a attempt to cleanup the culture of corruption by one side before things proceed? ( the rumor I heard)
The latter would be ideal, but that might be an even bigger dream than BoomerBust or the Port.
With any luck they throw in the towel in it's current state. I'd hate for more money to be wasted and it becoming an even larger eyesore before ultimately failing. As is, Maybe they can do something cool with it (fishing, market, entertainment, etc). I'm assuming that the cost to remove all that rock would be astronomical.
ron said:I happen to like getting reports, good and bad.
Russ like's to waste his time, telling us how to spend ours.
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mexicoruss said:Ok sorry I'll be quite
I, for one, appreciate your responses now and then -- Just as I appreciate the "updates." Collectively they give perspective.
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Southbeacher said:I, for one, appreciate your responses now and then -- Just as I appreciate the "updates." Collectively they give perspective.
the exchange of ideas is how we advance the story.Everyone has a piece of the story.Some only share the piece that fits their narrative.
They are still working at Black Mtn. Big dust cloud was in the air as we went by there today.
brokenwave said:They are still working at Black Mtn. Big dust cloud was in the air as we went by there today.
We hear blasting from Black Mountain everyday in barrio Lopez Portillo They're just blasting rock for the heck of it I guess. They don't really intend on using it on the port project cuz they can't pay their truckers or something like that! we'll all see what happens.
I am still bullish on this place (Peñasco) although it could be run better by some of our forum members that have better overall management experience. (sarc on)
Well some of us pay our debts and subcontractors...some don't
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jerry said:Well some of us pay our debts and subcontractors...some don't
Let it lay, we'll see
I still have not heard a good explanation for this hire...
"Construction great Vision (GRAVI), the company of Luis Cano Raymundo, who was assigned the work of construction of the breakwater of the Homeport of Puerto Peñasco (Sonora), been used for the award of subcontracts of the work to an ex-narcotraficante that is now being investigated by the PGR for money laundering.
Alfredo Vergara
Alfredo Vergara Álvarez, a drug trafficker who served a sentence of five years in the United States for cocaine trafficking, now has been responsible for the award of subcontracts in the company of Luis Cano. Well-informed sources have confirmed the PGR investigates him for money laundering, with a record in the town of Sonoita, whereby we have your inquiry number.
Luis Cano
Among people in the city of Puerto Peñasco, nobody understands the presence of this ex-delincuente in sensitive function, except that you are representing the interests of third parties involved, which move in the underworld, and serve as a link for any collection.
The architect Luis Raymundo Cano is back, so close to an inquiry of the PGR."
"Construction great Vision (GRAVI), the company of Luis Cano Raymundo, who was assigned the work of construction of the breakwater of the Homeport of Puerto Peñasco (Sonora), been used for the award of subcontracts of the work to an ex-narcotraficante that is now being investigated by the PGR for money laundering.
Alfredo Vergara
Alfredo Vergara Álvarez, a drug trafficker who served a sentence of five years in the United States for cocaine trafficking, now has been responsible for the award of subcontracts in the company of Luis Cano. Well-informed sources have confirmed the PGR investigates him for money laundering, with a record in the town of Sonoita, whereby we have your inquiry number.
Luis Cano
Among people in the city of Puerto Peñasco, nobody understands the presence of this ex-delincuente in sensitive function, except that you are representing the interests of third parties involved, which move in the underworld, and serve as a link for any collection.
The architect Luis Raymundo Cano is back, so close to an inquiry of the PGR."
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jerry said:I still have not heard a good explanation for this hire...
"Construction great Vision (GRAVI), the company of Luis Cano Raymundo, who was assigned the work of construction of the breakwater of the Homeport of Puerto Peñasco (Sonora), been used for the award of subcontracts of the work to an ex-narcotraficante that is now being investigated by the PGR for money laundering.
Alfredo Vergara
Alfredo Vergara Álvarez, a drug trafficker who served a sentence of five years in the United States for cocaine trafficking, now has been responsible for the award of subcontracts in the company of Luis Cano. Well-informed sources have confirmed the PGR investigates him for money laundering, with a record in the town of Sonoita, whereby we have your inquiry number.
Luis Cano
Among people in the city of Puerto Peñasco, nobody understands the presence of this ex-delincuente in sensitive function, except that you are representing the interests of third parties involved, which move in the underworld, and serve as a link for any collection.
The architect Luis Raymundo Cano is back, so close to an inquiry of the PGR."
Can't believe everything you read Jerry, This sounds like the Spaniards lawyer talking bullshit about the Grijalvas (Northbeach) lawyer, last I heard the lawyer took the position pro bono,
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1125rockypoint1125.html
mexicoruss said:Let it lay, we'll see
As Ronald Reagon would say. "There you go again", telling people what to do.
playaperro said:Can't believe everything you read Jerry, This sounds like the Spaniards lawyer talking bullshit about the Grijalvas (Northbeach) lawyer, last I heard the lawyer took the position pro bono,
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1125rockypoint1125.html
Good find......still does not breed much confidence knowing North Beach people involved.
Here is the link in Spanish:
http://peninsulardigital.com/extra/gravi-y-el-homeport-de-penasco-investiga-pgr-encargado-de-subcontratos-por-lavado-de-dinero/144879
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jerry said:Good find......still does not breed much confidence knowing North Beach people involved.
Here is the link in Spanish:
http://peninsulardigital.com/extra/gravi-y-el-homeport-de-penasco-investiga-pgr-encargado-de-subcontratos-por-lavado-de-dinero/144879
Wish he would of posted when he did the 5 years, I just posted the north beach fiasco to post a timeline, I know a few people have used him from the forum for land disputes. He does do background checks for buyers and sellers, maybe that's why he got the gig.
playaperro said:Wish he would of posted when he did the 5 years, I just posted the north beach fiasco to post a timeline, I know a few people have used him from the forum for land disputes. He does do background checks for buyers and sellers, maybe that's why he got the gig.
Also this report is coming out of Baja which views Penasco as a threat to the cruise business,which seems shakey over there already from other stories on the site.
The Home Port jetty work has been pretty quiet since Sunday, gates closed with about 15 trucks parked outside
and the Track hoes parked.
Maybe waiting for the Boomerfest to begin and start work again to make boomster's grumpy.
and the Track hoes parked.
Maybe waiting for the Boomerfest to begin and start work again to make boomster's grumpy.
Sounds similar to what happened to Rio Nuevo here in Tucson, Jerry.
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brokenwave said:The Home Port jetty work has been pretty quiet since Sunday, gates closed with about 15 trucks parked outside
and the Track hoes parked.
Maybe waiting for the Boomerfest to begin and start work again to make boomster's grumpy.
Biting my lip I say nothing!
just assume that the schedule is 1 week on and 2 weeks off... this way it will be less of a surprise for those waiting for the hourly play by play.
Any reports on what's happening there today? Photos ?
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I'm not allowed to report but only once a month l have been scolded. But I will be back next Tues. And will report in LOL
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Nothing happening trucks.and.trackhoes.still.parked.since.Sunday.
brokenwave said:Nothing happening trucks.and.trackhoes.still.parked.since.Sunday.
WHAT, no photos !!o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O
When i get home in Cholla I will post some
Roberto said:WHAT, no photos !!o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O
For our always good source of inside info for RP (and Jerry) Here are some fresh photos from Sandy Beach.
And what does that say? PAY ME?
Right truck said pretty much that. (carriers require full payment for work performed)
Left is iffy on the translation, but looks like they want 100% of what was promised from the state governor/government?
Left is iffy on the translation, but looks like they want 100% of what was promised from the state governor/government?
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Only some dust clouds from Black Mtn. and a whole lot of nothing at the former site of Sandy Beach.
One way we can get on it to do day camping is to rent a RV slot for $20, oh my! how things have changed.LOL
One way we can get on it to do day camping is to rent a RV slot for $20, oh my! how things have changed.LOL
Damm what up with this shit. Oh and who is the contractor of record even before the first rock was placed, don't get me started I do this for a living
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dry heat said:just assume that the schedule is 1 week on and 2 weeks off... this way it will be less of a surprise for those waiting for the hourly play by play.
brokenwave said:Only some dust clouds from Black Mtn. and a whole lot of nothing at the former site of Sandy Beach.
One way we can get on it to do day camping is to rent a RV slot for $20, oh my! how things have changed.LOL
That is to bad you would think the sandy beach owners would like the income they used to get $5.00 per day is better than nothing but I guess the home port builders don't want anyone near their area. For safety reasons but what the hell they opened it for samanta santa
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"Quotes--That is to bad you would think the sandy beach owners would like the income they used to get $5.00 per day is better than nothing but I guess the home port builders don't want anyone near their area. For safety reasons but what the hell they opened it for samanta santa."
???? I really have no opinion of you just said.
Just reporting the happenings as I find out about them.
Hey a few thousand cars paying $8 per per day for Semana Santa = easy money for whoever collected it.
If you have issues with it, Go talk to the Brown's or their holding company.
???? I really have no opinion of you just said.
Just reporting the happenings as I find out about them.
Hey a few thousand cars paying $8 per per day for Semana Santa = easy money for whoever collected it.
If you have issues with it, Go talk to the Brown's or their holding company.
OK maybe I will go by and ask Gus why he will take money on semana Santa and no other time and yes it has to be easy money and in one since it is a issue that so many people lost a beach area they loved even if they had to pay so work or lack of work on the Port
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Yes I agree with you, 100%, I am not remotely happy the beach access went away,
sadly part of the major change that has happened here over the past 20 years.
Does anyone have a voice with what the SBR people do?
sadly part of the major change that has happened here over the past 20 years.
Does anyone have a voice with what the SBR people do?
No!!! SBR does what SBR does sometimes you just wonder.
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So what's happening today??? Any photos !!
Roberto said:So what's happening today??? Any photos !!
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Damn and now I need to go buy another poll
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HILL BOY said:Damn and now I need to go buy another poll
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Hey, you can't have to many.
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Kenny said:
Kenny, where do you find these pictures? You are amazing!!!!!
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garyd said:Kenny, where do you find these pictures? You are amazing!!!!!
I fished lots of Jetty's in the 60's and early seventies on the S Cali coast and I knew there would be pictures from all over...So I searched "Fishing on a Jetty" on Bing and then hit pictures... There's Video too...http://www.bing.com/search?q=fishing+on+the+jetty&qs=n&form=QBLH&pc=RTME&pq=fishing+on+the+jetty&sc=8-20&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=680fc28fbfc945ad9ddd88403b3481a9
jerry said:
Oh crap, another Tequila sunrise.
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Very cool thanks
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jerry said:
My thought is that it must be a attempt at communicating with, well you know, them!
Finally a good explanation of what going on at the homeport by Jim, our derisible's were having a good time working this tread over.
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flack.....Rockypoint 360 really asks the hard questions!
. Holy bad animation Batman! This pipe dream sort of reminds me of 
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Based on the ambitious scale of the finished project in that video, all the port non-fans need to relax.
Because it will be another 40-60 years for those improvements to be finished. (If "Big" If Ever")
And that means it will be up to the future generations to complain while we all roll over in our graves.
Huge amount of money needed to do something of that scale, and with 30-50% of funding not being used for projects
it's hard to see this ever being completed.
I believe there will still be a port, but more on the scale of what PV and Mazatlan have which is pretty basic.
Also the animation was pretty poor.
Because it will be another 40-60 years for those improvements to be finished. (If "Big" If Ever")
And that means it will be up to the future generations to complain while we all roll over in our graves.
Huge amount of money needed to do something of that scale, and with 30-50% of funding not being used for projects
it's hard to see this ever being completed.
I believe there will still be a port, but more on the scale of what PV and Mazatlan have which is pretty basic.
Also the animation was pretty poor.
brokenwave that animation is 1992 quality....
Just read that the workers are on strike again. They are owed 2 months of pay in the amount of $1,900,000 pesos or approximately $152,000 USD. This is affecting the families of 70 workers.
mis2810 said:Just read that the workers are on strike again. They are owed 2 months of pay in the amount of $1,900,000 pesos or approximately $152,000 USD. This is affecting the families of 70 workers.
Here is a pic of their parked trucks demanding to be paid from last Friday.
mis2810 said:Just read that the workers are on strike again. They are owed 2 months of pay in the amount of $1,900,000 pesos or approximately $152,000 USD. This is affecting the families of 70 workers.
That truly sucks.
brokenwave said:Here is a pic of their parked trucks demanding to be paid from last Friday.
Of course there would be half finished buildings in the background
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http://penascodigital.com/2014/la-licitacion-del-home-port-viene-mal-alfredo-vergara-alvarez-33731.html
Looks like there was a conference call between the subcontractor, Alfredo Vergara Alvarez, the truck drivers, and some media people. This Vergara Alvarez guy is blaming the consortium for lack of payment to the drivers. But apparently they're starting to freak out that the project is going to get cancelled if it's held up much longer. I didn't understand the full content, but I think I read that they're trying to get drivers to bring in rock from the Herradura Mine so that the project doesn't stay "paralyzed".
Looks like there was a conference call between the subcontractor, Alfredo Vergara Alvarez, the truck drivers, and some media people. This Vergara Alvarez guy is blaming the consortium for lack of payment to the drivers. But apparently they're starting to freak out that the project is going to get cancelled if it's held up much longer. I didn't understand the full content, but I think I read that they're trying to get drivers to bring in rock from the Herradura Mine so that the project doesn't stay "paralyzed".
mis2810 said:http://penascodigital.com/2014/la-licitacion-del-home-port-viene-mal-alfredo-vergara-alvarez-33731.html
Looks like there was a conference call between the subcontractor, Alfredo Vergara Alvarez, the truck drivers, and some media people. This Vergara Alvarez guy is blaming the consortium for lack of payment to the drivers. But apparently they're starting to freak out that the project is going to get cancelled if it's held up much longer. I didn't understand the full content, but I think I read that they're trying to get drivers to bring in rock from the Herradura Mine so that the project doesn't stay "paralyzed".
Mina La Herradura to Puerto Penasco road will be a nightmare if this happens.I would rather risk being taken or washed away in a monsoon storm on the Sasabe-Altar road than follow those pothole creators...
So where is that mine and how far? It all started with lack of planning and using the right contractor for this project, how many times do they need a project to get in trouble till they get a clue.
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HILL BOY said:So where is that mine and how far? It all started with lack of planning and using the right contractor for this project, how many times do they need a project to get in trouble till they get a clue.
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The mine is past the Mayan Palace about 20 miles south.The road will be a wreck
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Thanks Jerry I do want this project to succeed but their has been so much bullshit from the beginning that it has hard for me to keep a positive attitude
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EverardoFimbresOcaña was picked at head of the transport workers union last year as I read it.It did not take him long to sell out the workers in Penasco...that fat assed mayor better show some leadership
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Just read that this morning the police served a restraining order against 13 dump truck drivers and they secured the site of the trucks. Another report says some of the drivers were arrested. Not looking good for this project.
As for the Mayor, the town HATES him. I feel bad for his wife because she's a nice lady, trying to do some good things, but word on the street is that nobody will support her projects because of her husband.
As for the Mayor, the town HATES him. I feel bad for his wife because she's a nice lady, trying to do some good things, but word on the street is that nobody will support her projects because of her husband.
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mis2810 said:Just read that this morning the police served a restraining order against 13 dump truck drivers and they secured the site of the trucks. Another report says some of the drivers were arrested. Not looking good for this project.
As for the Mayor, the town HATES him. I feel bad for his wife because she's a nice lady, trying to do some good things, but word on the street is that nobody will support her projects because of her husband.
Somehow in my stupidity it strikes me they are arresting the wrong people, but that's just me. What do I know?
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I think you are right on track. So they will just screw the poor truckers. This is going to turn into a real mess.
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Maybe RockyPoint360,Russ etc. need to consider their positions on the homeport in light of the abuse these hard working guys are taking...from a local "they havent been paid for 3 months and are just asking for that....while the federal govt is bringing in another contractor to finish the job,and leaving these guys hanging without pay
6 of the guys are still in jail right now on 10k bond..upon bond,theyre being told to remain silent about this whole thing or theyll be jailed again!!
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Is it too early yet?
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jerry said:
they havent been paid for 3 months and are just asking for that....while the federal govt is bringing in another contractor to finish the job,and leaving these guys hanging without pay
6 of the guys are still in jail right now on 10k bond..upon bond,theyre being told to remain silent about this whole thing or theyll be jailed again!!
That's absolutely disgusting!
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I refer to my previous statement.
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I guess we will never know the crux of this is trucker strike, the project will move forward and the soap opera will play out.
playaperro said:I guess we will never know the crux of this is trucker strike, the project will move forward and the soap opera will play out.
These giant trucks on the road to Herradura will be a nightmare.I put the over/under of deaths at 4...broken windshields at 500, The road is a real mess again near the mine if you are taking a boat to Lobos lookout....bad!!!!!!
I think the hinted at understory is a big one.The rocks put in so far are the wrong size and could cause the Jetty to have problems in the future.
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Problems in the future is exactly what this project will get. You treat your employees/people well & they will give you a good day's work and their respect. That will also earn you the respect of their family & friends. If you screw them over you will get the same in return, forever. People don't forget these type of things, ever. RP is a small town and word travels fast. This project is huge. It will require many workers & will take years to complete. Then it will need an ongoing work force to run it for many years into the future. You can't bring all your employees from other states. The well has been poisened & it's the only well in town.
I will never go to that port, after reading all this.
AZRob said:I will never go to that port, after reading all this.
That goes for all the other members of the 10 to 4 Club....
courtesy of carnac
It all started when we some of us asked who is the contractor of record. Yes it maybe built but at who's expense if anyone out their thinks this is fair deal for the truckers because their paper work was not in order they should not be paid. You have never worked for yourself. It is not them it is the contractor of record Who the government chose. Wake up!!!
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Only in Mexico can corruption and greed screw up a perfectly good boondoggle. Well, I imagine there are a few other third world countries that could screw it up quicker. Nigeria comes to mind.
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Greed, Power and corruption are the winning formula in Mexico and a whole lot of other places.
Sadly!
Sadly!
lagrimas85 said:That goes for all the other members of the 10 to 4 Club....
courtesy of carnac
What club you talking about? This one.
http://www.drpeppermuseum.com/Fun/10-2-4-Club.aspx
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HILL BOY said:It all started when we some of us asked who is the contractor of record. Yes it maybe built but at who's expense if anyone out their thinks this is fair deal for the truckers because their paper work was not in order they should not be paid. You have never worked for yourself. It is not them it is the contractor of record Who the government chose. Wake up!!!
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So glad that doesn't happen here in the good ol' USA: for anyone here in Tucson, Rio Nuevo comes to mind! $230 Million wasted- that's a lot of Home Ports, and all we have to show is a parking lot!Greed, Power and corruption are the winning formula in Mexico and a whole lot of other places.
Sadly!
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/21008933/rio-nuevo-rises-from-the-ashes
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It's going to get done. Yes, some will get scewed... However it will get done. Its the federal, state and local baby that has too much attention.
The screwing of others happens everywhere. In the US we are just better at conceiling it and making it sound like a win for everyone.
The screwing of others happens everywhere. In the US we are just better at conceiling it and making it sound like a win for everyone.
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MIRAMAR said:So glad that doesn't happen here in the good ol' USA: for anyone here in Tucson, Rio Nuevo comes to mind! $230 Million wasted- that's a lot of Home Ports, and all we have to show is a parking lot!
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/21008933/rio-nuevo-rises-from-the-ashes
The foothills crowd need to take another look downtown.After a slow start the place booming.