Puerto Penasco Home Port

dry heat said:

I simply want it done for financial gain.

dry heat said:

we are already f$#$ the earth up enough. Poor thing only has a few billion years left. All those oil rigs on the other side of the country are doing more than enough damage to the environment. A little crooked penis (our sea port) sticking out of the sea of cortez won't make that much of a difference. Plus, I can count at least 5 other environment issues that are a hell of a lot worse in penasco.

Landshark said:

This kind of thinking worldwide is why we continue to destroy the environment. If we can make a buck it's ok because the environment is already messed up and the neighbors project is much more destructive.

Alacrane said:

In the end it will be for the people of RP not some selfish people that want to keep the people car-window washing and girls hustling the streets.

jerry said:

Try reading the story then lets talk....

Alacrane said:

That story is like the national enquirer, you believe that! My God have you had a tuff life...

Alacrane said:

In the end it will be for the people of RP not some selfish people that want to keep the people car-window washing and girls hustling the streets.

jerry said:

From an expert:
Very Dear Mr. Julio Martinez , I have my sailboat in the marina Mazatlan , I have under my belt two awards for second place in the international regatta port vallrta my sailboat is a perason triton with a draft keel 3 feet tall approx I am now filing Puerto Pe'asco ..

It was really my interest to bring me velro Puerto Pe ; disgust me desaforunadamente not doing coastal sailing can bring about the ports of Guaymas Topolobambo etc etc the nautical staircase in order for the simple reason that by the side of the Mexican Republic is a innabegable sea that is too low , The Sea of Cortez has
some deep navigation channels on the side of the Baja California so even tradado and is very dangerous for any vessel of deep draft . I doubt so cruises can navigate the sea of cortez The nautical staircase disenio for minors and fishing boats that I repeat it is not a navigable for deep- sea . This will add the Diferença of maeras of kilomentro medium in a couple of hours on the beach becomes home port area .

You knew that the security interceptor boats naconal can not leave the marina if current low tide ?

You knew that Arizona has the highest record of vessels in the United States and as these vessels are below the Tropic of capricorno lat 23
You knew that the marine biologist Jaques Custauau could not suibir with Calypso and only came to Guaymas and hence could not pass ......

The project should begin viavilidad if the sea of cortez navigable or not?

AUINADO ECOLOGICAL DISASTER THIS SEA OF CORTEZ THE AQUARIUM OF THE WORLD!

Alacrane said:

I think you're approaching what will work for you and your book. Why not keep playing with it till you find something that works and that you yourself have written?

jerry said:

I ask myself... When will this never ending wave of Home Port Dick Riding mysterymen end?

Estero said:

joester said:

hey now folks!
this home port idea is probably not going to work out too soon, if ever, imho.
I read one of the more recent articles about this, and to compare RP to the Cabo san Lucas port is just a wee bit off the mark.
The photo showing a handful of cruise ships in the bay in Cabo has obviously been photoshopped (notice that 3 of the ships are exactly the same).
We have a timeshare in Cabo, and have never seen more than 2 ships there at once. Typically, the ships anchor out in the bay, and they run "tenders" back and forth to shore. There has been talk of building a cruise ship pier/dock, and altho the cannery has been closed for years, I'm not sure the dock will ever be built there. I'm all for tourism and development, but having the right development at the right place and time is important. This idea for a cruise ship port just seems out of place with the character of RP.
Just my 2 pesos.

Alacrane said:

In the end it will be for the people of RP not some selfish people that want to keep the people car-window washing and girls hustling the streets.

chihauhau said:

Hey I am new here, where do you find those girls ? Could use the relief.

HILL BOY said:

Like I said in the very beginning! who is the contractor of record? Now again who is going to be the contractor of record. This is not rocket science it is only a jetty.

Kenny said:

I could see 9 months ago from my cabin in Prescott that it wouldn't fly... OK, so now they say their going to start doing it right but that won't fix what's already there.

Posted on Jan 19th.
"Truth is I can't tell exactly what they plan on doing with this Jetty/breakwater. Because there is so much dirt and smaller rocks between the large boulders, it will settle unevenly. I can't see it holding up for any length of time under any heavy usage; like a road on top.
What say Stuart, between the both of us we have both coasts covered and the Sea of Cortez to some extent. Have you ever seen a breakwater or Jetty with so much dirt and small rocks in it at any stage?...Oh I forgot, no problem."
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Alacrane said:

Why?

Kenny said:

Why what? That covers a lot of ground.

Alacrane said:

When is the last time you saw it? Never seen any dirt.

mis2810 said:

http://penascodigital.com/2014/alfredo-vergara-fuera-del-home-port-tapia-camou-38257.html
Looks like this guy is out of the project. Isn't he the one that was in jail for drugs or fraud before?

jerry said:

I wonder if Wendy got the boot too? Oh well as she says " what goes up must come down!"

chihauhau said:

Stop all the BS people !! The federal government has stopped the project. A firm from Mexico City is re-a valuing the project. No more rocks at black mt. Concrete blocks not feasible. Cruise lines have other ports to worry about to Get excited for our completion. Look for private investments and work to start again NOT until the spring. This will get done , but not in 2015 or 2016.....take a breath now some of you guys won't see it in your lifetime.

chihauhau said:

Stop all the BS people !! The federal government has stopped the project. A firm from Mexico City is re-a valuing the project. No more rocks at black mt. Concrete blocks not feasible. Cruise lines have other ports to worry about to Get excited for our completion. Look for private investments and work to start again NOT until the spring. This will get done , but not in 2015 or 2016.....take a breath now some of you guys won't see it in your lifetime.

tequilatodd said:

Well said Stuart. I have only been coming down for 10 years, so I have not seen nearly as much as most of you here.
But its easy to see that certain types of projects just don't make sense. PP is just a nice peaceful place by the sea. There are times through the year when there is a big event like Bike week, Circus Mexicus, Spring Break (which is not like it used to be) Easter Weekend.
I like it the way it is.
If it aint broke, don't fix it.....Right?

Stuart said:

I'd agree. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-development. Many of the Sandy Beach projects are gorgeous and add a lot of value to Penasco and I know a number of folks that own condos there and are perfectly happy. But I hate seeing these "dream" projects that go bust as so many throughout Mexico often do. I'd much rather see Penasco buckle down a bit and get its infrastructure modernized and expanded before chasing promises of big dollar projects that turn out to be pipe dreams.

chihauhau said:

I guess some folks here just like to continue to live in the past. I have been in pp for 18 yrs. Seen alot also go by the way side. Big money condos wrcked the Mirador strip. Where are they. I agree stop signs, pot holes, Mayan toll road to cut off 40 mile of trip, coastal hwy thru Penasco, and the home port need to be finished to make pp prosperous again. Like I said earlier quit the BS and get it done. St the rumor mill and stte FACTS. I did......fish dinner bet is on also playperro. Stuart I don't bite or bak up a dead tree either.

Mexico Joe said:

Let's start small with sidewalks and underground water collection/retention. Maybe try (pick a street any street in RP) Calle 13. Then let's work our way up to legit stop signs and overall clean up and garbage removal. Now we're feeling ambitious...

Mexico Joe said:

Let's start small with sidewalks and underground water collection/retention. Maybe try (pick a street any street in RP) Calle 13. Then let's work our way up to legit stop signs and overall clean up and garbage removal. Now we're feeling ambitious...

chihauhau said:

I guess some folks here just like to continue to live in the past. I have been in pp for 18 yrs. Seen alot also go by the way side. Big money condos wrcked the Mirador strip. Where are they. I agree stop signs, pot holes, Mayan toll road to cut off 40 mile of trip, coastal hwy thru Penasco, and the home port need to be finished to make pp prosperous again. Like I said earlier quit the BS and get it done. St the rumor mill and stte FACTS. I did......fish dinner bet is on also playperro. Stuart I don't bite or bak up a dead tree either.

chihauhau said:

I guess some folks here just like to continue to live in the past. I have been in pp for 18 yrs. Seen alot also go by the way side. Big money condos wrcked the Mirador strip. Where are they. I agree stop signs, pot holes, Mayan toll road to cut off 40 mile of trip, coastal hwy thru Penasco, and the home port need to be finished to make pp prosperous again. Like I said earlier quit the BS and get it done. St the rumor mill and stte FACTS. I did......fish dinner bet is on also playperro. Stuart I don't bite or bak up a dead tree either.

Stuart said:

We're basically on the same page, friend. Get the current house in order -- for both the locals and tourists. Regain that friendly, comfortable, safe appeal for tourists and their families. Stop betting that the "one big new" project is going to change everything, it's not. Penasco truly has a lot more to offer - a great culture, great people and the perfect location to capitalize on all of it -- one of the most unique ecosystems in the world.

Although I haven't lived there for more than a week or so at a time, I've done it often for over 30 years and I find myself wanting to visit less and less these days. It's lost a lot of appeal for me. Graffiti everywhere, run down appearance, potholes that swallow my F-250 truck. In some ways, it's becoming more like Tijuana, which you couldn't drag me to these days. I don't see the same level of local pride that there used to be. People may have not had much, but what they did have they were proud of and took care of, it showed everywhere in the community.

I'm a lot different than your "average" tourist. I don't stay in a fancy beach condo; I don't seclude myself in a resort. We are out among the locals, visiting friends, out fishing, eating at our favorite places, being part of the community whenever possible. That's one of the reasons I feel comfortable making comments like this - I live it, I see it, I'm not some "ugly American" that expects things to be like they are here in the US. I expect them to be Mexico.

Eh, everything changes. We can only go forward. But, we can apply what we've learned along the way as we make that journey! :)

Stuart said:

We're basically on the same page, friend. Get the current house in order -- for both the locals and tourists. Regain that friendly, comfortable, safe appeal for tourists and their families. Stop betting that the "one big new" project is going to change everything, it's not. Penasco truly has a lot more to offer - a great culture, great people and the perfect location to capitalize on all of it -- one of the most unique ecosystems in the world.

Although I haven't lived there for more than a week or so at a time, I've done it often for over 30 years and I find myself wanting to visit less and less these days. It's lost a lot of appeal for me. Graffiti everywhere, run down appearance, potholes that swallow my F-250 truck. In some ways, it's becoming more like Tijuana, which you couldn't drag me to these days. I don't see the same level of local pride that there used to be. People may have not had much, but what they did have they were proud of and took care of, it showed everywhere in the community.

I'm a lot different than your "average" tourist. I don't stay in a fancy beach condo; I don't seclude myself in a resort. We are out among the locals, visiting friends, out fishing, eating at our favorite places, being part of the community whenever possible. That's one of the reasons I feel comfortable making comments like this - I live it, I see it, I'm not some "ugly American" that expects things to be like they are here in the US. I expect them to be Mexico.

Eh, everything changes. We can only go forward. But, we can apply what we've learned along the way as we make that journey! :)

jerry said:

I wonder if Wendy got the boot too? Oh well as she says " what goes up must come down!"

I laugh everytime I read that quote of Wendy's, it seems so out of place. I highly doubt that she would get the boot too as she must be related to Derek Winzer who is the head of Project Development for the Home Port.

mexicoruss said:

We are working with a production company out of Hermosillo and your comment reminded me of the tourism campaign slogan which I really like...."Mexico, Live it to believe it"

Stuart said:

Like so many other projects. Do you recall wanting to make Penasco an international destination by building a huge Monte Carlo style casino? I do. Do you recall the new upscale marina that was to be built on Sandy Beach by the resorts... that became a race track... that became just another uninteresting hole in the ground? I do. Do you recall how the Miramar was to host several new large resort projects and they kicked a valuable source of revenue -- RV snowbirds -- out for what is now empty lots and ugly unfinished concrete? I do. If, in fact, Penasco does manage to somehow become a cruise ship destination, I truly hope my ashes have already been spread properly over the Sea of Cortez.

Nothing personal, but chihuahuas are just annoying little yappy dogs that like to bite people on the ankles. Keep yapping if you must. :D

rplarry said:

Stuart, one big "project" that you may have mentioned was our World Class INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT with direct flights from Europe!

Funny, they are having a tough time getting direct flights from Phoenix. That "dream" has been going on now for about 10 years.

tequilatodd said:

wasn't that new airport supposed to be built somewhere near the Mayan Palace?

Terry C said:

lol

tequilatodd said:

Ok. I haven't been out that way for several years. No idea what it looks like now

Southbeacher said:

Was out there a year or two ago, just to see. The entranceway / parking / terminal were actually quite nice. Now if they just had air traffic . . .

tequilatodd said:

Any recent photos?

Estero said:

Pics here http://www.aeropuertomardecortes.com/esp/galeria.html

MIRAMAR said:

We were out visiting the Mayan this weekend, and the parking log was almost all full: about 70% from California, 20% from Arizona, 5% Texas and 5% Mexico. Here' s an interesting article recommending Californians to visit Penasco- it looks like it worked!

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/apr/25/puerto-penasco-resort-golf-sea-of-cortez/?#article-copy

Alacrane said:

Can you imagine how many people from cali the homeport is going to draw, Don't have a clue why you zonies are against this.

tequilatodd said:

Why would people from Cali want to port out of PP? Maybe I'm stupid, but doesn't Cali have two cruise ports?

mis2810 said:

I'm not a huge fan of the Home Port, but the Sea of Cortez has a lot more to offer than the Pacific. But that's only for a select group of people. Mid-sized ships for divers (live aboards), marine enthusiasts, off the beaten path lovers of Mexico would be great for a Sea of Cortez cruise. The Carnaval and Princess types of party cruises, huge floating buffets for Americans, are not for the Sea of Cortez. JMO.

Roberto said:

Cruise Boat Hater :p:p:p

mis2810 said:

I'm not a huge fan of the Home Port, but the Sea of Cortez has a lot more to offer than the Pacific. But that's only for a select group of people. Mid-sized ships for divers (live aboards), marine enthusiasts, off the beaten path lovers of Mexico would be great for a Sea of Cortez cruise. The Carnaval and Princess types of party cruises, huge floating buffets for Americans, are not for the Sea of Cortez. JMO.

susiesch said:

Saying Puerto Penasco is a mini Cabo is quite a stretch IMO. We feel Penasco is so much better in many ways.

jerry said:

I'm with the freedom hating mis2810 .....having been to a few of these spots a ship larger than this one is just going to fail...or get stuck...http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise/Un-Cruise-Adventures/Safari-Voyager/Cruise-p7112973...looks like a great time!

mis2810 said:

What do you mean by "freedom hating"? LOL?????

jerry said:

Critics of this hair brained idea are called lots of stuff....someone called an enemy of freedom in an email...cracked me up....

jerry said:

Critics of this hair brained idea are called lots of stuff....someone called an enemy of freedom in an email...cracked me up....

playaperro said:

Did you happen to know Doc from the night-train on 4th Jerry? That dude sold mucho mushrooms!

jerry said:

I did....the cops hated him...my bet is you were more of Ranch House guy. ( the biker bar the narcs just hated). They had great hamburgers

playaperro said:

Did you happen to know Doc from the night-train on 4th Jerry? That dude sold mucho mushrooms!

brokenwave said:

This thread has left the station, need to start a new thread, its obvious isn't it???

mis2810 said:

C'mon, we're 40 pages in. I think a couple of off topic threads isn't too bad. Let the thread live on! :D

playaperro said:

Yep, ranch house blues http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mcmurtrey-jasper.htm

jerry said:

The bigger story was when peg leg Cliff the bartender killed the narc then was executed whith his hands up

jerry said:

The bigger story was when peg leg Cliff the bartender killed the narc then was executed whith his hands up

playaperro said:

Hmm, I thought Cliff was the night manager and was in his office when they burst in, Ross was leading the pack...Have to do a search...

Encanto said:

As far as I knew, Doc was a great guy. Loved the Night Train, great bar, especially after it closed for the night - I think it was around '76-'77.

hammockpilot said:

are you guys referring to Choo Choo's on 4th in Tucson.? spent many a drink n drown/ wet T shirt wednsday in that place. Doc was an optomitrist..dealer as I recall

jerry said:

http://penascodigital.com/2014/el-robo-del-homeport-penasco-se-acaba-el-presupuesto-y-la-obra-ni-sus-luces-39247.html. Ouch!