I actually would not mind owning at Esmeralda. Looks like a nice wind break for the water from a northwesterly wind and close to what will become the best shore fishing spot in RP. It's not like there will ever be any ships coming in and out of there..
I actually would not mind owning at Esmeralda. Looks like a nice wind break for the water from a northwesterly wind and close to what will become the best shore fishing spot in RP. It's not like there will ever be any ships coming in and out of there..
Well, when you put it that way.....I was thinking of the ships.
Unfortunately Esmeralda, much like the Cruise Port, is at a stand still and roughly 10% complete.
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Ya. I have friend that bought at the Esmeralda around 2010 maybe earlier. They were promised a completion date that came and went....and went...and went.
I believe it was in the unfinished tower. :-(
As a side note North of the breakwater( as they call it )the beaches may degrade in a major way.
Wendy is looking for rocks big time.I wonder if breaking up all the unfinished condos and dumped them in the deeper water might be the solution?
"A brief communication from home port project Administrative Director, Wendy Winzer, revealed only that the state of geological analysis of the building stones for the breakwater are still underway and no decisions have been made, nor conclusions drawn with regard to how or where they will acquire more stones. That is, the “status” is “quo” at this point. We will keep you posted, however." From Jim's Sonoran newsletter......
What to do what to do?
It might be smart to construct some groynes ( French for pig snouts) to help keep the beaches from being degraded
The failure of getting the large rocks in place might already be damaging the core ( fine quarry waste) http://www.fao.org/docrep/v5270e/v5270e03.htm
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You do what you always do when you are in trouble and don't have a solution....nothing! You wait until somebody else steps up with a bright idea and then you hand them the ball.
It might be smart to construct some grounds ( French for pig snouts) to help keep the beaches from being degrade
Landshark said:
You do what you always do when you are in trouble and don't have a solution....nothing! You wait until somebody else steps up with a bright idea and then you hand them the ball.
landshark read that last link I posted on building these things...pretty good
They signed a contract, with the Sonoyta Ejido Lius Echeveria a couple weeks ago, for boulders that fit the specs. I'm surprised they haven't started hauling....
Until you look in the other direction and watch all the cruise ship passengers and condo hawkers crawling all over the place. I'd be happy if they just left it the way it is now. Whatever happens we still have no control over any of it. All I'm saying is if it actually gets built I would not want to be an owner in the resort right next door. I'm perfectly happy down the beach 4 resorts over.
Itlandshark read that last link I posted on building these things...pretty good
lagrimas85 said:
They signed a contract, with the Sonoyta Ejido Lius Echeveria a couple weeks ago, for boulders that fit the specs. I'm surprised they haven't started hauling....
Good read Jerry. Provides insight about the jetty construction & potential of beach erosion which is common in RP. Sounds like work will began again soon as the baton has been passed. I assume they will widen & elevate the jetty by adding the large rocks creating the armour layer to protect the core & then continue with the remainder. Hope the money is there to pay the labor & material expense because there is a long way to go & the water's getting deeper!
From Penasco Digital
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Puerto Peñasco, Sonora-almost two months to know that the construction of the breakwater of the Home Port does not have night preventive signs that serve as protection for any type of vessel that circulates in the area, until now still not has placed no security measures.
According to the call issued for tender public national number LO-926094922-N2-2013, provided in annex 9 which should be "construction and conservation of deviations and access roads, as well as the preparation, placement and signals and devices of protection to work".
In addition, the study of environmental impact Regional modality for the project "Homeport tourist of Puerto Peñasco", presented by the Committee on development to the tourism of the State of Sonora, Government of the State of Sonora and its legal representative C. Eduardo Javier Tapia Camou, General Coordinator of the Development Commission to the tourism of the State of Sonora, says in chapter IIIII.2.3 corresponding to the preparation of the site and construction, textually says "the construction of the project requires no great work of site preparation, however be placed preventive signs of protection of the environment in the maritime and terrestrial areas, are adequately delimit and lighting as needed within the work area will be placed".
The above has not been fulfilled, because in a journey that was made by the breakwater, it was found that you no placed no signs to prevent overnight any vessel having an accident having contact with construction of the Home Port.
On the other hand, were interviewed on this theme to the captain of Puerto Luis Castro Galán, who commented "is in process through merchant, definitive signs can not be considered because it is a work that is in progress, however, there is a kind of temporary signage, in this moment are in the process of defining the equipment must be installed".
However, recognized "so far there is no signage in place, what we can say is that when the plans of the work were made must necessarily consider the security measures, includes it all project, in this case you must have considered the question of the demarcation of safety as long as the work is not finished"right now it is in communication Department of signaling with the company responsible for the work, to define and ask for this type of accusations."
Also he explained "with progress on carrying work in waters in represents a potential risk for all those that make maritime traffic in that area, comes the crossing mostly at night and if there is something that reminds us that there is a work under construction may have unfortunately some sort of mishap."
Easy fix. Some #10 tin cans filled with sand and fuel oil just like they use on the highways at night. What could be better ?? Or a guy out there blowing a horn and waving an orange flag would create some jobs.
nice, lucky for me I can return home to Santo Tomas after my cruise and enjoy drinking water from the tap,fast,fast internet,good roads.no burglars,no loud partiers,beautiful dunes with cardons....viva mexico!
nice, lucky for me I can return home to Santo Tomas after my cruise and enjoy drinking water from the tap,fast,fast internet,good roads.no burglars,no loud partiers,beautiful dunes with cardons....viva mexico!
Commie, Pinko, Ratfink, Braggart,Santo Thomas promotor.
nice, lucky for me I can return home to Santo Tomas after my cruise and enjoy drinking water from the tap,fast,fast internet,good roads.no burglars,no loud partiers,beautiful dunes with cardons....viva mexico!
You know what they say Jerry: Portland is where 20 year olds go to retire. And I don't believe there are better tacos in Portland- I don't think you can improve on Blue Marlin's fish tacos or El Serape or Tacos Poblanos carne asada tacos!
Posted on Jan 19th.
Truth is I can't tell exactly what they plan on doing with this Jetty/breakwater. Because there is so much dirt and smaller rocks between the large boulders, it will settle unevenly. I can't see it holding up for any length of time under any heavy usage; like a road on top.
What say Stuart, between the both of us we have both coasts covered and the Sea of Cortez to some extent. Have you ever seen a breakwater or Jetty with so much dirt and small rocks in it at any stage?...Oh I forgot, no problem.
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Kenny, Jan 19, 2014EditRepor
Jan 19th.
Truth is I can't tell exactly what they plan on doing with this Jetty/breakwater. Because there is so much dirt and smaller rocks between the large boulders, it will settle unevenly. I can't see it holding up for any length of time under any heavy usage; like a road on top.
What say Stuart, between the both of us we have both coasts covered and the Sea of Cortez to some extent. Have you ever seen a breakwater or Jetty with so much dirt and small rocks in it at any stage?...Oh I forgot, no problem.
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Kenny, Jan 19, 2014EditRepor
Kenny if they do pull this off (Ha) the city should charge a 20 dollar a person fee to disembark....
Lets face it, it's not going to happen. This is the kind of project where every DAY counts. If it was a serious project done by a world class consortium work would be going on night and day.
Lets face it, it's not going to happen. This is the kind of project where every DAY counts. If it was a serious project done by a world class consortium work would be going on night and day.
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Not withstand even a cursory analysis.Experts consulted in earthmoving value the work done in a quarter of what the federation has paid.The sad thing also is that you went to a landowner already benefited by homeport, which is in its development (Gustavo Brown), to acquire all the stone, pulling it out of a mountain (Cerro Prieto) included within the area protection of the Biosphere Reserve of the Upper Gulf of California and Colorado River Delta, one of the great achievements of the Sonoran Luis Donaldo Colosio, and also mountain revered by indigenous groups like our sacred mountain.All in an effort to not permeate the money needed rocaportense community and they take everything.Even the local truckers were left out of the deal, and those who protested to jail went for .
At least it could become the perfect fish spot. Maybe they can put a McDonalds at the end of the Jetty to make it feel more like So. California. LOL
Figured SBR was involved this mess. Sad for the RP community.
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The advantage of building a breakwater to steal money is that, when sizing the work, it is very difficult to estimate the volume of materials used.This helps the construction, in combination with the officials, to "fix" the volume of work in order to steal more.Of course, in this case the footprint they leave behind is otherwise obvious: to make the material Cerro Prieto, left a trail of disparate volumes.But do not worry, we know powerful.The SCT has been used this system of robbery budget fairly regularly in the volumes of materials.With huge profits out differences that have made millionaires of many delegates of the Secretariat and its associated contractors.It was a matter of time that organized crime came to this section of the economy to take its toll.It is much safer to steal money from the budget in partnership with corrupt politicians and corrupt businessmen who cross the border Esatados States through the desert with trucks full of cocaine". From the story above
Some of the players in this mess are big players in our favorite Pigeon Coop.... Hermosillo, Sonora.- According to information gathered by this newspaper, Heras Fernando Luis Portillo, former Director Goods and concessions in Sonora during the presidency of government Manlio Fabio Beltrones degree is not only a partner in the residential complex "Las Palomas" of Puerto Peñasco, along with employers and Ricardo Mazon View Javier Tapia (current Commissioner of Tourism), but is also noted to be associated with the drug lord Alfredo Vergara Alvarez , Cartel Caborca.
As published in newspapers Code 07 and The Ram Caborca , both characters, using screen Ejido Heraclius Bernal, and using his connections in SEDATU in Mexico City, intended to seize a large area of land adjacent to the sea , affecting countless small owners, possessors in good faith, and even the local council of Caborca.
Both shows also marked by attempting to collect commissions on public works contracts. While Heras Portillo was nationally ask for allegedly commissions on behalf of the Licensed Beltrones (news that was denied by the same Deputy Beltrones), Alfredo Vergara does in HomePort Peñasco, work built with federal funds.
Vergara's presence in the world of drug trafficking is well documented , as even spent several years in prison in the United States for trafficking Cocaine Cartel Caborca.
Alfredo Vergara, whom the PGR also investigates money laundering, shown to be calm and expresses "have fixed the issues above."
Heras Fernando Luis Portillo is not listed as a partner in the Las Palomas development. Ricardo Mazon and Javier Tapia are listed as partners.
jerry said:
Some of the players in this mess are big players in our favorite Pigeon Coop.... Hermosillo, Sonora.- According to information gathered by this newspaper, Heras Fernando Luis Portillo, former Director Goods and concessions in Sonora during the presidency of government Manlio Fabio Beltrones degree is not only a partner in the residential complex "Las Palomas" of Puerto Peñasco, along with employers and Ricardo Mazon View Javier Tapia (current Commissioner of Tourism), but is also noted to be associated with the drug lord Alfredo Vergara Alvarez , Cartel Caborca.
As published in newspapers Code 07 and The Ram Caborca , both characters, using screen Ejido Heraclius Bernal, and using his connections in SEDATU in Mexico City, intended to seize a large area of land adjacent to the sea , affecting countless small owners, possessors in good faith, and even the local council of Caborca.
Both shows also marked by attempting to collect commissions on public works contracts. While Heras Portillo was nationally ask for allegedly commissions on behalf of the Licensed Beltrones (news that was denied by the same Deputy Beltrones), Alfredo Vergara does in HomePort Peñasco, work built with federal funds.
Vergara's presence in the world of drug trafficking is well documented , as even spent several years in prison in the United States for trafficking Cocaine Cartel Caborca.
Alfredo Vergara, whom the PGR also investigates money laundering, shown to be calm and expresses "have fixed the issues above."
You make that huge planning screwup sound like a good thing Pollyanna....even if we ignore the graft it may not be possible
apricot said:
Hey, all you negative nellies....there's good reason for the delay: the cruise lines have now let us know that our pier must reach further into the sea than originally planned to accommodate the deeper hull requirements of the larger, heavier mega ships. So plans are now being drawn up to extend the pier to accommodate the changes necessary to safely dock the larger ships anticipated by the cruise lines. http://www.sonoranresorts.mx/part-viii-economic-impact-of-home-port-on-puerto-penasco/?utm_source=September 2014 Newsletter&utm_campaign=September 2014 Newsletter&utm_medium=email
This keeps getting better.
This sounded like a major cluster f#*K, since the beginning. Greed and graft.
Sadly another Esmerlda like another project dead in the water.
Hey, all you negative nellies....there's good reason for the delay: the cruise lines have now let us know that our pier must reach further into the sea than originally planned to accommodate the deeper hull requirements of the larger, heavier mega ships. So plans are now being drawn up to extend the pier to accommodate the changes necessary to safely dock the larger ships anticipated by the cruise lines. http://www.sonoranresorts.mx/part-viii-economic-impact-of-home-port-on-puerto-penasco/?utm_source=September 2014 Newsletter&utm_campaign=September 2014 Newsletter&utm_medium=email
Ok i made that up to mess with our peeps, I was surprised when you replied and came to the defense of the homeport, I see you used my pic on your facebook pic, like that...keep us informed before they go off the edge here...
Read back the Sonorans "happy News" reports on this mess and laugh.They should stick to stories on " the best shrimp cocktail". Looks like Perro is sniffing around for freebies from the masters table..
"the cruise lines have now let us know that our pier must reach further into the sea than originally planned to accommodate the deeper hull requirements of the larger, heavier mega ships."
Wow that's one of the funniest things I've heard... Because all the major cruise lines are super concerned about what's going on at the jetty. I bet they're just lined up and soooo anxious to get those huge ships anchored in Penasco!
The Sonoran Resort is a first class operation but they should really rethink hyping this thing.....what goes up must come down says Wendy!!!!! "Down by the Pier
In a meeting with Wendy Winzer, Administrative Director of the Home Port project last week, she let us know that the construction company was in full talks with the federal government about the details on the increased budget necessary to build their own large rocks to resume construction while plans are being drawn up to extend the pier to accommodate the changes necessary to safely dock the larger ships anticipated by the cruise lines.
As to when construction might resume, “It’s all up in the air at this point,” Wendy said, “but the good news is, what goes up must come down, right?”
It's just ridiculous to think, and an insult to everyone's intelligence, that engineering studies were not done before even one rock was laid to see how far out they had to go to accommodate the biggest ships. Boggles the mind.
Quote-As to when construction might resume, “It’s all up in the air at this point,” Wendy said, “but the good news is, what goes up must come down, right?”
What a "cluster you know what" - This is organized as well as the Boomer non-fest was.
With this type of stuff happening is good news that it may never be completed.
A nice fish taco stand and fishing supply store would be perfect at the end of the Jetty.
Hey, all you negative nellies....there's good reason for the delay: the cruise lines have now let us know that our pier must reach further into the sea than originally planned to accommodate the deeper hull requirements of the larger, heavier mega ships. So plans are now being drawn up to extend the pier to accommodate the changes necessary to safely dock the larger ships anticipated by the cruise lines. http://www.sonoranresorts.mx/part-viii-economic-impact-of-home-port-on-puerto-penasco/?utm_source=September 2014 Newsletter&utm_campaign=September 2014 Newsletter&utm_medium=email
so now it needs be even further out? Last I heard, it was a mile out and then then dogleg for he dock.
I was thinking about it yesterday and wondering what sort of shuttle service would be available from ship to shore.
For a home port, no passenger would walk a mile with their luggage, and now they have to extend it out even further.
It's just ridiculous to think, and an insult to everyone's intelligence, that engineering studies were not done before even one rock was laid to see how far out they had to go to accommodate the biggest ships. Boggles the mind.
Not to mention that the rock they did use and they way they were mixed with a lot of dirt and smaller rocks was just not how it's done and I could be seen that from my house!
Truth hurts huh! And who might you be, the ser′geant at arms of this Mod Squad.
Yes, the truth about the Home Port hurts. The truth is I am a guy who believes the Home Port will create an environmental disaster for the Sea of Cortez that I dearly love. I do not believe the environmental impact studies were accurate & those that were of negative nature were ignored. If that makes me the "sar'geant at arms" I will accept that as a compliment. Who might you be?
Yes, the truth about the Home Port hurts. The truth is I am a guy who believes the Home Port will create an environmental disaster for the Sea of Cortez that I dearly love. I do not believe the environmental impact studies were accurate & those that were of negative nature were ignored. If that makes me the "sar'geant at arms" I will accept that as a compliment. Who might you be?
So if i'm for the homeport I won't fit in with the in crowd.
It's not about fitting in - it's about everyone being entitled to their opinion without being subjected to snarky comments regardless of which side of the issue you are on.
we are already f$#$ the earth up enough. Poor thing only has a few billion years left. All those oil rigs on the other side of the country are doing more than enough damage to the environment. A little crooked penis (our sea port) sticking out of the sea of cortez won't make that much of a difference. Plus, I can count at least 5 other environment issues that are a hell of a lot worse in penasco.
I like a dialog but it seems none of you real estate flacks have read the article or really thought about this project.This thing will ruin Arizona weekend beach visitors experience.That cannot be a good thing for you guys either. dry Heat how does it feel owning part of project that is Cartel property?
jerry, I know you know that the Cartel own and run a lot more than most realize. All I hope for is that we have 1 solid organization running the business rather than a bunch of groups fighting for the same territory. This business model works best for the avg. investor.
The Bs story that they are delaying to wait till the specs. For mega - cruise ships from the cruise companies does not make any sense. This route only rates reworked older ships.In the summer months even these may be too large to come south to north.Something else is going on and it is most likely trouble for all involved.
So if the project stalls a boat launch just to the north and we are in business boys!
Stolen from the homeport F/B page.
