Puerto Penasco Home Port

dirtsurfer said:

Is this being built on Sandy Beach?

mermaid said:

I believe all the rock is coming from the back side of Black Mountain across the bay.

fasteddy said:

do we know what the building is that's going up across from the hut?

tequilatodd said:

I thought it was part of a new master plan or something that started but ran out of $$

fasteddy said:

do we know what the building is that's going up across from the hut?

tequilatodd said:

Is Wrecked still open during the remodel?
I wonder where they will be holding the Circus Mexicus this year?

MikeinRockyPoint said:

SBR said this pier will go out apx 800 meters ( south ) then apx 400 meters ( west )

Landshark said:

Wow! 1/2 mile south & 1/4 mile west. That's a lot of rocks! Definitely going to change the view a bit!o_O

jerry said:

The nightmare begins

jerry said:

The nightmare begins

mexicoruss said:

If it goes good you will not say anything, and if it goes bad you will post all the atrocities that go along with it and your bud sub will go along with you on your little ti-raids about how right you are to distrust everything Mexico and how great it is to be an American .....who for some reason lives in Mexico....Who knows how it will go? I am betting it's a good thing.......Well cuz I am a positive type booster person! AJUA Loyal dogs! I love loyal dogs = cliffs and all!

• impose a passenger levy to pay for environmental monitoring and to reimburse communities for socio-economic and infrastructure costs;
  
• strengthen federal regulations with respect to marine effluent discharges on the coast
  
• manage the interaction and impact of cruise tourism locally;
  
• ensure that residents and visitors are not exposed to high levels of pollution.
  

• limit the number of cruise ship calls and stage the arrivals,
  
• alleviate transportation impacts on the community;
  
• replace large highway-sized buses with more environmentally friendly and neighbourhood appropriate vehicles;
  

mexicoruss said:

If it goes good you will not say anything, and if it goes bad you will post all the atrocities that go along with it and your bud sub will go along with you on your little ti-raids about how right you are to distrust everything Mexico and how great it is to be an American .....who for some reason lives in Mexico....Who knows how it will go? I am betting it's a good thing.......Well cuz I am a positive type booster person! AJUA Loyal dogs! I love loyal dogs = cliffs and all!

PintoPoint said:

Jerry,
You should come back to the States and run for Congress. Just need impose enough regulations to ensure failure.

jerry said:

Just being constructive...which of my suggestions bothered you?

jerry said:

Just being constructive...which of my suggestions bothered you?

PintoPoint said:

I guess it bothers me that you seem to be rooting for it to fail. If the cruise ships don't work out then we still have a nice pier and docks.

Jerry,
You should come back to the States and run for Congress. Just need impose enough regulations to ensure failure.

Kenny said:

Ha, and that's why you brought politics into it?

PintoPoint said:

Kenny, You call it politics, I call it government getting in the way.

Kenny said:

Well don't you think the government should get in the way enough to make sure garbage and sh#! doesn't pile up on Pinto Point, or would that be to invasive?

Geoffrey said:

Well Jerry, what a negative poster you are........smacks of "not in my backyard" just move on dude.

jerry said:

Pintopoint.....read this...Cruise ships the size of small cities ply the waters off our coasts, producing and then dumping large amounts of sewage and other wastes into our oceans, polluting our beaches, contaminating our coral reefs, and destroying our valuable marine ecology. Some of that waste is treated prior to dumping; other waste is dumped directly to the ocean without a second thought. A large cruise ship, the largest of which can carry over 7,000 passengers and crew, on a one week voyage is estimated to generate 210,000 gallons (or 10 backyard swimming pools) of human sewage and 1 million gallons (40 more swimming pools) of graywater (water from sinks, baths, showers, laundry and galleys). Cruise ships also generate large volumes of oily bilge water, sewage sludge, garbage and hazardous wastes. In addition, these luxury liners, which allow passengers a rare glimpse of some of the most sensitive environments on the planet, spew a range of pollutants into the air that can lead to serious public health problems and contribute to global warming.

The rapidly expanding size and number of cruise ships in U.S. waters has triggered a national cruise ship pollution crisis. Environmental laws have not kept pace with growth of the industry. Cruise lines travel the most pristine waters of America, dumping all the way. New laws and standards are urgently needed.

- See more at: http://www.foe.org/projects/oceans-and-forests/cruise-ships#sthash.aXJb3EtQ.dpuf

PintoPoint said:

Jerry,
Just because an article states something does not make it true. There are strict regulations for me on my 26' boat. Now the State of Sonora did extensive research and environmental studies before even considering the cruise port. So Mexico does not care about one of its greatest resources?

jerry said:

But bro even in Australia the expert reports are shopped....looking for the best to make the project go....do you remember when CEDO was all against the marina by Sandy Beach 4 years ago...how is this different and why have they not spoken up?
http://www.cedointercultural.org/content/view/99/100/lang,en/

Geoffrey said:

Well Jerry, what a negative poster you are........smacks of "not in my backyard" just move on dude.

PintoPoint said:

Kenny, You call it politics, I call it government getting in the way.

ben21 said:

I'm all for RP growing and generally try to put a positive spin on things. That being said, this project seems like a huge waste of money. I would have much rather seen this money go towards a Sonoyta bypass and road improvements around main parts of town. That would draw tourism, not some cruise port that will never be used. Obviously I'm taking the over on 2018...

MikeinRockyPoint said:

Im all for PROGRESS in RP.. Build the home port, the people want it, the people love it, cant wait to take the first cruise!!

A few of you people on this forum need to get a life ( you know who you are ). You know your the ones who have nothing better to do than to argue & bash everything about RP while living in AZ. Yes we know you hate the RP resorts, you hate the progress in RP, easy solution don't come to RP. Go to El Golfo and sit by yourself on the beach & argue w/ yourself all day long.

PintoPoint said:

Jerry,
If I remember right the residential marina was stopped because it included the marsh area where a lot of the juvenile fish are hatched and raised. The new marina is from the shoreline out. Completely different project.

MikeinRockyPoint said:

Im all for PROGRESS in RP.. Build the home port, the people want it, the people love it, cant wait to take the first cruise!!

Mexico Joe said:

It was the same hype when we learned of the International Airport in what, 2006? Look how that turned out. It just now started operating this past summer of 2013. On a limited basis. We will not see a cruise ship in RP till 2020

MikeinRockyPoint said:

Im all for PROGRESS in RP.. Build the home port, the people want it, the people love it, cant wait to take the first cruise!!

A few of you people on this forum need to get a life ( you know who you are ). You know your the ones who have nothing better to do than to argue & bash everything about RP while living in AZ. Yes we know you hate the RP resorts, you hate the progress in RP, easy solution don't come to RP. Go to El Golfo and sit by yourself on the beach & argue w/ yourself all day long.

ben21 said:

I'm all for progress too, but I strongly disagree that this is the right way to go about it. For lack of a better phrase, this is like putting lipstick on a pig. You can't build a shiny new cruise terminal when you still have streets lined with trash, unfinished buildings everywhere, etc... Have you ever been to Cancun before? You get off the plane, jump in your shuttle and take a well maintained and neatly landscaped road directly to the hotel zone without really seeing a hint of poverty, trash, etc. Having homeless people try to wash your car with newspapers scares off your average suburban family from Gilbert, hell probably a wealthy family from Mexico too.

I don't want to come off like a snob, because I love RP for what it is and don't care about the things mentioned above. But if it's really going to be a cruise destination or home port, then lets start with the basics and get the place cleaned up. (We'll keep the violence issue to the other thread)

Mexico Joe said:

I'll go to SANTO TOMAS and ARGUE with JERRY ABOUT WHOS FISH IS BIGGER Too much fun.

dry heat said:

is that what you guys call it when you are all alone out in the middle of nowhere. lol, sorry it was too easy... could not resist

ben21 said:

road improvements around main parts of town. That would draw tourism.

dry heat said:

is that what you guys call it when you are all alone out in the middle of nowhere. lol, sorry it was too easy... could not resist

ben21 said:

I'm all for RP growing and generally try to put a positive spin on things. That being said, this project seems like a huge waste of money. I would have much rather seen this money go towards a Sonoyta bypass and road improvements around main parts of town. That would draw tourism, not some cruise port that will never be used. Obviously I'm taking the over on 2018...

playaperro said:

This project is for the people of Penasco.

ron said:

Who's this "BRO" you keep responding to?

ben21 said:

No doubt it's intended for the people, but please explain how this benefits them long term? Sure you may have some temporary construction jobs, but after that, what? The biggest benefit to the people is more American tourism. Dumping a bunch of rocks into the water isn't going to bring that. If the casual tourist is going to start coming down here, the place needs to be cleaned up. Have you been around Las Conchas recently? I was there over Thanksgiving and it looked like a landfill over by the train tracks near the entrance. This is unacceptable for a cruise stop, end of story. Make your average American comfortable with a mixed drink in their hand, and then the people of RP will benefit.

ben21 said:

No doubt it's intended for the people, but please explain how this benefits them long term? Sure you may have some temporary construction jobs, but after that, what? The biggest benefit to the people is more American tourism. Dumping a bunch of rocks into the water isn't going to bring that. If the casual tourist is going to start coming down here, the place needs to be cleaned up. Have you been around Las Conchas recently? I was



















































there over Thanksgiving and it looked like a landfill over by the train tracks near the entrance. This is unacceptable for a cruise stop, end of story. Make your average American comfortable with a mixed drink in their hand, and then the people of RP will benefit.

jerry said:

I like the use of Bro in conversation.It is inclusive and friendly while making the point that whoever you think you are in our conversation it is just you and me talking .It is uniquely American bro.

ron said:

Who's this "BRO" you keep responding to?

Roberto said:

Was it Trotsky or Lenin that coined that term ??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

GV Jack said:

I think it was his Bro...........Fig

Mexico Joe said:

Why are we getting so many first time posters that have strong opinions against known forum members like Jerry? This guy comes out of the wood work to bash Jerry and tell him to MOVE ON.

If it wasn't for forum members like Jerry this forum would be ~~~pura```basura```~~. This guy has one career post and it's attacking a legend in the game.

Mexico Joe said:

Why are we getting so many first time posters that have strong opinions against known forum members like Jerry? This guy comes out of the wood work to bash Jerry and tell him to MOVE ON.

If it wasn't for forum members like Jerry this forum would be ~~~pura```basura```~~. This guy has one career post and it's attacking a legend in the game.

Geoffrey, BRO, get a life ....

Geoffrey said:

Thanks, I have a life. I don't know Jerry and I'm sure he is a fine gentleman. Only, his post sounds like so many other attitudes I have heard. I wish I was free to post my opinions on this board but I get bashed from the likes of you. So who is wrong here BRO.

mexicoruss said:

“Pessimists are usually right and optimists are usually wrong but all the great changes have been accomplished by optimists.”
~ Thomas L Friedman

Penasco Recreation Co.

jerry said:

said the idiot that thought the Iraq war was a good idea...

• 1983: for his coverage of the war in Lebanon. A distinguished example of international reporting;
  
• 1988: for coverage of Israel: a distinguished example of reporting on international affairs;
  
• 2002: for his commentary illuminating the worldwide impact of the terrorist threat.
  

mexicoruss said:

Yeah he seems an idiot to me too, I guess.....

Friedman has won the Pulitzer Prize three times:

• 1983: for his coverage of the war in Lebanon. A distinguished example of international reporting;
  
• 1988: for coverage of Israel: a distinguished example of reporting on international affairs;
  
• 2002: for his commentary illuminating the worldwide impact of the terrorist threat.
  

In addition, in 2005 he was elected as a member of the Pulitzer Prize Board.

American journalist and former civil rights litigator Glenn Greenwald, writing for Salon on July 25, 2012, commented: "His status among American elites is the single most potent fact for understanding the nation's imperial decline." (wiki quote)

jerry said:

The Whales will suffer ....Just got the rundown from unnamed local environmentalists ( fear payback) who believes this will be blow to the Sea of Cortez and will effect the beach and tidal pools on Sandy beach
Here is some factual information that'll make you cringe. The below excerpts were sourced from Oceana.org's U.S. Laws and Regulations, and illustrate just how loose environmental regulations on cruise ships are:

"The average cruise ship with 3000 passengers and crew generates about 30,000 gallons of human waste and 255,000 gallons of non-sewage gray water every day.

"Cruise ships are allowed to release treated sewage almost anywhere they sail. They are also permitted to release untreated gray water - non-sewage wastewater from galleys, dishwashers, baths, sinks, showers, and laundries - anywhere they sail, except Alaska.

"Cruise ships can also lawfully release untreated sewage, or black water, anywhere beyond three miles from the shore (except in vervain areas of Alaska).

mis2810 said:

A bit OT: See Todd's post above. What's with the "anonymous" liking now? All it says is "1 person likes this." Not saying nobody should like what he said, I've just never seen the anonymous "like" before.

IggyAZ said:

I see The Reef Bar is still open for now. How about The Reef RV Park? Is it still operational?
Their website is down.