Are they going to add a pier onto the end that rock structure because that my friend is a Jetty.
whatever....I am not as smart as you we have already had that conversation, so why don't you explain whats going on here for everyone else....geez, I am just posting free pics about progress on the pier....er Jetty...er port.....boat thingy........
whatever....I am not as smart as you we have already had that conversation, so why don't you explain whats going on here for everyone else....geez, I am just posting free pics about progress on the pier....er Jetty...er port.....boat thingy........
I never mentioned anything about your "pier" before today, but it would be interesting to know if there's going to be a pier at the end of the Jetty or will it just be a kind of breakwater with a road on top.
500,000 cruise ship goers seems like a fantasy land estimate but we can't tell these TROLLS anything!
10000 people a week......if half are Americans figure A Tuesday crossing at the border being in line with 2500 cars.A good day to smuggle in dog food I say!
Without doing any research, I had a hunch that 500k number was BS. Now I'm certain... The cruise terminal in Los Angeles is barely over 500k passengers per year right now, San Diego half that. And RP is going to hit half a million? The real question should be, how much will it cost to tear the thing down once the cruise lines don't show up?
why don't some of you put down the viagra that is causing the excitement and see what actually happens. If the place implodes, just save your comments for the "I told you thread". If the place takes off, then the other half should create their own "I told you thread". Who gives a fuk what some political person said about what it is expected to do, some of you act like you have never heard of a politician or business interest showing their 'high cap' projections. Lets just see the damn thing get built and comment on the progress, inconvenience, suprises, etc as they actually happen rather than dreaming about events 5 years down the road.
The Whales will suffer ....Just got the rundown from unnamed local environmentalists ( fear payback) who believes this will be blow to the Sea of Cortez and will effect the beach and tidal pools on Sandy beach
Here is some factual information that'll make you cringe. The below excerpts were sourced from Oceana.org's U.S. Laws and Regulations, and illustrate just how loose environmental regulations on cruise ships are:
"The average cruise ship with 3000 passengers and crew generates about 30,000 gallons of human waste and 255,000 gallons of non-sewage gray water every day.
"Cruise ships are allowed to release treated sewage almost anywhere they sail. They are also permitted to release untreated gray water - non-sewage wastewater from galleys, dishwashers, baths, sinks, showers, and laundries - anywhere they sail, except Alaska.
"Cruise ships can also lawfully release untreated sewage, or black water, anywhere beyond three miles from the shore (except in vervain areas of Alaska).
I share your concerns about this. Besides the beach and tide pools, what about that rocky reef area in front of Sandy Beach that has so much ecological importance? What about the Estero La Cholla? Where is CEDO?
I assume a book size study/report was conducted by cedo and other environmental groups. Mexico is not as third world as some think. Maybe adjustments had to be made by the port to meet these studies. Remember how nothing was happening for a couple of years, do we think they were just standing around doing nothing? Like most projects of this magnitude, studies and reports and adjustments are being made by various parties. Yes, I agree that it no way is this great for the environment (but neither is a car, plane, trane or anything made of plastic). So I hope (really hope) that enough is being done to minimize any damage (in business that is the best outcome when something is going to be built regardless).
The best part is and I hope EVERYONE reads this. Those of you who support no cartel, no drugs in RP, also support the home port. Do you think there is going to be less drugs or more drugs in RP when the cruise ships come? Good bye RP that I've known for 16 years and hello to a whole new cesspool of drugs, prostitution, pick pockets, no parking spots, 30 minute drives from the Malecon to Cholla Bay. FML SMH
26 trucks on Friday went to the Quarry over 50 trucks but some kind of strike all trucks sitting. This morning looks like they have a better handle on production turn around for dump time I have a neat program to estimate time and haul factor I will post later, but all and all I,m impressed with the progress they have made. I must say I,m not a fan of this project! Only time will tell let us hope for the best
why don't some of you put down the viagra that is causing the excitement and see what actually happens. If the place implodes, just save your comments for the "I told you thread". If the place takes off, then the other half should create their own "I told you thread". Who gives a fuk what some political person said about what it is expected to do, some of you act like you have never heard of a politician or business interest showing their 'high cap' projections. Lets just see the damn thing get built and comment on the progress, inconvenience, suprises, etc as they actually happen rather than dreaming about events 5 years down the road.
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I will be curious how the jetty/pier will effect the movement/build up/erosion of sand along Sandy Beach (if any).
They are really going at it. Pretty impressive. Glad Wrecked at the Reef remains open. I'm hoping for the best, but if this whole thing turns out to be a big net loss there's always the South beaches.... (Which could use a good bar or two!)
I will be curious how the jetty/pier will effect the movement/build up/erosion of sand along Sandy Beach (if any).
They are really going at it. Pretty impressive. Glad Wrecked at the Reef remains open. I'm hoping for the best, but if this whole thing turns out to be a big net loss there's always the South beaches.... (Which could use a good bar or two!)
I am hoping that it will deposit all the sand at Pinto Point.
why don't some of you put down the viagra that is causing the excitement and see what actually happens. If the place implodes, just save your comments for the "I told you thread". If the place takes off, then the other half should create their own "I told you thread". Who gives a fuk what some political person said about what it is expected to do, some of you act like you have never heard of a politician or business interest showing their 'high cap' projections. Lets just see the damn thing get built and comment on the progress, inconvenience, suprises, etc as they actually happen rather than dreaming about events 5 years down the road.
If I give up my morning shake of Viagra, Adderall, Green coffee bean extract, ExtenZe, Prozac and Testosterone I would not want to live through what actually happens ....:)
Ahwww.....Boo Hoo....Poor "Pretend Mayor of Cholla Bay Know it all Joe"...Thats the same thing you said years ago when they were building all the resorts in RP ( no parking, 30 minutes drive, blah blah )......What does it matter to you anyway since you live in AZ. We live in RP and we love the progress. RP will be like Cabo one day which is awesome! Again for all you haters of progress in RP don't come to RP more room for us lovers of RP here now having a blast. Go to tiny El Golfo, Mex for your once a year vacation......"BRO"....lmao
Joe"The Ejido"…I like it, a communist social structure like an Ejido calls for free beer and food or maybe a donation. In point of fact we are going to turn the beach club into a bar/fish taco place when we get around to it.My neighbors are in the beer biz so it is hard to compete with free plus we seem to do a lot of thinking about the idea and not much painting.I did get a chaulk board for the menu last week.
Ben, the boosters somehow have the idea guys like you ,me,Roberto,Kenny and Joe hate Mexico…when in fact we love it all…the good,the bad and the ugly
Not true Jerry, most biz'es in mexico large or small financed and subsidized by the mexican gov will prosper, unlike the onslaught of projects not done this way won't have a prayer of a chance to make it. How many places have bit the dust in penasco.
Not true Jerry, most biz'es in mexico large or small financed and subsidized by the mexican gov will prosper, unlike the onslaught of projects not done this way won't have a prayer of a chance to make it. How many places have bit the dust in penasco.
you have a point in general but this deal depends on the international market and the flow of money from Mexico City.This is not a given if another party takes over...when the container port in Michoacan gets going the trade that goes north and south via tucson will be huge…money is coming if the trouble stops http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-battleground-20140114,0,4212772.story#axzz2qcTyIShl
Not true Jerry, most biz'es in mexico large or small financed and subsidized by the mexican gov will prosper, unlike the onslaught of projects not done this way won't have a prayer of a chance to make it. How many places have bit the dust in penasco.
Hard to be in business when the competition next door does not need to make a profit !! Hopefully the new money control stuff will help with that.
What does crazies running around with a white cisne on their doors have to do with the homeport?
Instability is threatening the container port for now and a bad incident at "homeport" would be disaster ours......crap shoot and Mexico is going for a hard six.
Instability is threatening the container port for now and a bad incident at "homeport" would be disaster ours......crap shoot and Mexico is going for a hard six.
Homeport was great in your "opinion" for Guaymas, and not for Penasco, what gives? You a little pissed Santo Tomas never took off... just sayin'.....
Homeport was great in your "opinion" for Guaymas, and not for Penasco, what gives? You a little pissed Santo Tomas never took off... just sayin'.....
no I like it that way and think the exodus from Puerto Penasco will really jump start all the southern beaches.I just am calling bullshit on this thing.Guaymas actually is a real port(with limits) but would have been a way better choice.
A question for you dogg..Why do you want this thing? I mean, the future is bright but who wants to live next door to bright?
I find it interesting that the biggest naysayers of this project would be the 1st to salivate if they owned land in sandy beach. The hardcore liberals that have passion for earth would be the 1st to sell out to a oil company if it meant millions in their pocket. no different that the extreme right that would sell land to a porn studio if it meant millions in their pocket. We all hate what we can't benefit from and we all love what benefits us. I have seen many farmers sell out to the people they could not stand and I have seen many 'religions nut' companies sell out to seedy businesses all for a buck. So, I guess we all have an agenda and that is why all of these posts should be taken with a grain of salt.
I find it interesting that the biggest naysayers of this project would be the 1st to salivate if they owned land in sandy beach.
Land in and around Sandy Beach isn't exactly tough to come by... The question is, do you think this thing is a benefit and will increase value? I don't see many attractive real estate developments in the immediate vicinity of any home ports that I've been to...
Land in and around Sandy Beach isn't exactly tough to come by... The question is, do you think this thing is a benefit and will increase value? I don't see many attractive real estate developments in the immediate vicinity of any home ports that I've been to...
who will benefit...
commercial real estate around port (expect more bars, restaurants)
hotel(s) around port
resale of condos (simply from more people coming down for the 1st time and wanting a piece of penasco)
petty theft (should increase with more tourists)
junk sales on the beach (name on a grain of rice, chiclets, etc)
vendor food and restaurants for those that are staying the night before or stay the night after an arrival
tour guides for those in town for a day
condo rentals (to a small degree, this may just be for a night or 2 for those that are making it a longer stay). I don't expect a huge increase in this market
Land in and around Sandy Beach isn't exactly tough to come by... The question is, do you think this thing is a benefit and will increase value? I don't see many attractive real estate developments in the immediate vicinity of any home ports that I've been to...
Brown family might say otherwise in regards to land not hard to come by
Brown family might say otherwise in regards to land not hard to come by
Last time I checked, that subdivision on Sandy Beach "Costa Diamonte"?? had about half of it's lots available... What about all the half finished projects? the place next to Chango's (Hut?), etc... Those can't be purchased?
who will benefit...
commercial real estate around port (expect more bars, restaurants)
hotel(s) around port
resale of condos (simply from more people coming down for the 1st time and wanting a piece of penasco)
petty theft (should increase with more tourists)
junk sales on the beach (name on a grain of rice, chiclets, etc)
vendor food and restaurants for those that are staying the night before or stay the night after an arrival
tour guides for those in town for a day
condo rentals (to a small degree, this may just be for a night or 2 for those that are making it a longer stay). I don't expect a huge increase in this market
All of this is assuming cruise lines actually show up. Obviously we haven't gotten there yet. Lets take the new international airport for example. They built the thing, and it just sits there. No restaurants, junk sales, taxis, etc because there are no people flying in and out. Same concept here.
I find it interesting that the biggest naysayers of this project would be the 1st to salivate if they owned land in sandy beach. The hardcore liberals that have passion for earth would be the 1st to sell out to a oil company if it meant millions in their pocket. no different that the extreme right that would sell land to a porn studio if it meant millions in their pocket. We all hate what we can't benefit from and we all love what benefits us. I have seen many farmers sell out to the people they could not stand and I have seen many 'religions nut' companies sell out to seedy businesses all for a buck. So, I guess we all have an agenda and that is why all of these posts should be taken with a grain of salt.
Dryheat you seem angry with us for telling you in 2006 that your baby (pigeon coop) was ugly.Now it sits another partially finished scar on the Sea of Cortez.Why do you think this pile of rocks is any different? Your little diatribe about the nature of man reveals more about you than your targets.People will surprise you if you let them.
Jerry, I just needed enough time to unload 5 condos before the poo hit the fan in 2007. What happened in sandy beach was no different than what happened in the US. If lending was easier in penasco (as it is in the states), we would not have as many half finished projects. hopefully we will start to see more lending (commercial/residential) as the economy improves in penasco and mexico.
In regards to the cruise, again it is not tailored to the us market (that is not the target market). The target market is the growing national economy in northern mexico. I would cut the selling expectations in half and that is probably more realistic and still profitable. like any marketing plan or business, you are going to show your high end cap numbers when presenting your numbers to the media or public.
Benny dry heat say's,We all hate what we can't benefit from and we all love what benefits us.
With you being a lawyer who specializes in bankruptcy, bad news is good news for you. So what, you like to see people go into bankruptcy because it's your benefit if they do?
With you being a lawyer who specializes in bankruptcy, bad news is good news for you, so what, you like to see people go into bankruptcy because it's your benefit if they do?
I just find it interesting that a few of you have 90% negative comments about anything related to penasco. Eventually people just read your comments and expect the same negativity (same song). Your penasco of yesteryear is different and I get that it upsets a few of the grandpa's on our forum. I can dance all day, so I have no problem going back and forth.
I just find it interesting that a few of you have 90% negative comments about anything related to penasco. Eventually people just read your comments and expect the same negativity (same song). Your penasco of yesteryear is different and I get that it upsets a few of the grandpa's on our forum. I can dance all day, so I have no problem going back and forth.
If I'm included in this, then you're off base. I just call it how I see it, and in my opinion, this cruise deal is a joke. I don't have a problem with the condos at all, have even considered buying one as an investment. I'll also be staying in a coup later this year (Rocky Point Triathlon in April!). I'd also be fine with progress in RP, as I've mentioned before, I just don't think throwing a bunch of rocks in the water is the right way to get there.
Known you for a long time Benny, and though most of us see a lot of things differently about PP and Cholla, unlike you though, some of us are not interested in what we can get out of it monetarily. You judge yourself by how much money you can make and sadly you look at PP in the same way; how much money you can make there. The only time you have talked about anything at all about PP outside of the $$ end is when you're defending yourself and even then it's weak Benny weak.
Jerry, I just needed enough time to unload 5 condos before the poo hit the fan in 2007. What happened in sandy beach was no different than what happened in the US. If lending was easier in penasco (as it is in the states), we would not have as many half finished projects. hopefully we will start to see more lending (commercial/residential) as the economy improves in penasco and mexico.
In regards to the cruise, again it is not tailored to the us market (that is not the target market). The target market is the growing national economy in northern mexico. I would cut the selling expectations in half and that is probably more realistic and still profitable. like any marketing plan or business, you are going to show your high end cap numbers when presenting your numbers to the media or public.
Hope you are right but this Sonorans as the target market angle sure does not do much for Penasco.
dry heat said:
I just find it interesting that a few of you have 90% negative comments about anything related to penasco. Eventually people just read your comments and expect the same negativity (same song). Your penasco of yesteryear is different and I get that it upsets a few of the grandpa's on our forum. I can dance all day, so I have no problem going back and forth.
Show me a beach town in the world that has done as crappy a job building out in a tasteful way? Penasco is a mess because their plan does not recognize the existing problems with the faulty infastructure.
Hope you are right but this Sonorans as the target market angle sure does not do much for Penasco.
Show me a beach town in the world that has done as crappy a job building out in a tasteful way? Penasco is a mess because their plan does not recognize the existing problems with the faulty infastructure.
Santo Tomas is a real nightmare.Good roads,underground utilities,sewage system infrastructure,natural area between streets,well water we can drink from the tap...the horror. Studied las Conchas and learned from the errors....
Known you for a long time Benny, and though most of us see a lot of things differently about PP and Cholla, unlike you though, some of us are not interested in what we can get out of it monetarily. You judge yourself by how much money you can make and sadly you look at PP in the same way; how much money you can make there. The only time you have talked about anything at all about PP outside of the $$ end is when you're defending yourself and even then it's weak Benny weak.
oh grandpa... your exaggerations and story telling are cute. I get it, you and your girl Jerry are upset about the cruise port. we all know. Other are too, the only difference is they they don't repeat themselves over and over again as if they think no one is paying attention to them. maybe its a sign of aging, if so I apologize to the two of you. Why not save up your hope for failure for when events actually happen. I would think that would be a lot more satisfying to the two of you.
on the related post, it appears they are 50 yards out so far in the course of construction.
Funny the phoenix ambulance chaser who shaves his body and rolls around with young men calls us gay! Besides why is being gay your first insult out of the box..repressing something you can only embrace at the gym?
oh grandpa... your exaggerations and story telling are cute. I get it, you and your girl Jerry are upset about the cruise port. we all know. Other are too, the only difference is they they don't repeat themselves over and over again as if they think no one is paying attention to them. maybe its a sign of aging, if so I apologize to the two of you. Why not save up your hope for failure for when events actually happen. I would think that would be a lot more satisfying to the two of you.
on the related post, it appears they are 50 yards out so far in the course of construction.
I understand the reason why some of you are not so happy about what's going on, but the truth is that the locals love it for the jobs that are going to be created and I, for one, stopped bitching about progress and invested the small savings I have been able to accumulate in the states and now I may be able to retire in Mexico as planned for so many years. I believe RP will remain a fun place to visit but there is a lot left to the south of us for those, like Jerry, can live more peacefully. I don't particularly like the condos, but what they have done for the economy is great.
In the years to come as the dirt seeps out from between the rocks with the tidal movement just leaving the rocks to settle, it will hold fish.
Any bets as to whether or not you'll be allowed to fish there? I'm saying probably not. They won't want the place smelling like a fish market and anything taking place that could possibly offend some tourist. I say this because, even at the marinas in San Carlos -- no fishing is the rule. While I agree it is likely to hold fish, you won't be allowed to catch them. Security will run you off.
Any bets as to whether or not you'll be allowed to fish there? I'm saying probably not. They won't want the place smelling like a fish market and anything taking place that could possibly offend some tourist. I say this because, even at the marinas in San Carlos -- no fishing is the rule. While I agree it is likely to hold fish, you won't be allowed to catch them. Security will run you off.
Any takers on that bet?
No, but will they be able to stop the locals who will want to drop nets on the fish who are trapped there as they run the shoreline?
Any bets as to whether or not you'll be allowed to fish there? I'm saying probably not. They won't want the place smelling like a fish market and anything taking place that could possibly offend some tourist.
Truth is I can't tell exactly what they plan on doing with this Jetty/breakwater. Because there is so much dirt and smaller rocks between the large boulders, it will settle unevenly. I can't see it holding up for any length of time under any heavy usage; like a road on top.
What say Stuart, between the both of us we have both coasts covered and the Sea of Cortez to some extent. Have you ever seen a breakwater or Jetty with so much dirt and small rocks in it at any stage?...Oh I forgot, no problem.
Truth is I can't tell exactly what they plan on doing with this Jetty/breakwater. Because there is so much dirt and smaller rocks between the large boulders, it will settle unevenly, I can't see it holding up for any length of time under any heavy usage; like a road on top.
What say Stuart, between the both of us we have both coasts covered and the Sea of Cortez to some extent. Have you ever seen a breakwater or Jetty with so much dirt and small rocks in it at any stage?...Oh I forgot, no problem.
I tend to agree. Most are strictly LARGE rock. A couple good storms, extreme tides, high seas and all the loose stuff will wash out and the larger rocks will settle. Appears there are no pilings being driven in to help keep things in place? I dunno. Why do the "racing rocks" in Death Valley come to mind?
OK think back when they dredged for the new dock for the reactors, did they not put that rock and dirt where Plaza Los Glorious sits today? Rock tends to interlock when it is placed on top of each other to form a solid base. They are putting larger rocks on the out side of the main base for Tide surge I think they will get away with it. We have all seen the way they build roads! ( New road to RP what 10 years old now) still holding up fine to my surprise
How time fly s I remember the white knuckle driving in the late 70 until the completion thanks for letting us know when it was finished. Now a'm I not correct about the dredging and the placement of the Material? for the Hotel?
OK think back when they dredged for the new dock for the reactors, did they not put that rock and dirt where Plaza Los Glorious sits today? Rock tends to interlock when it is placed on top of each other to form a solid base. They are putting larger rocks on the out side of the main base for Tide surge I think they will get away with it. We have all seen the way they build roads! ( New road to RP what 10 years old now) still holding up fine to my surprise
It was a big parking lot before Las Glorious was built and a place to buy fresh goods on the weekend. I missed the gathering that happened there every weekend. They brought in large rocks for the breakwater on both sides of the hotel but I have no idea whats under it. http://www.penascodelsolmexico.com/gallery.shtml#
OK think back when they dredged for the new dock for the reactors, did they not put that rock and dirt where Plaza Los Glorious sits today? Rock tends to interlock when it is placed on top of each other to form a solid base. They are putting larger rocks on the out side of the main base for Tide surge I think they will get away with it. We have all seen the way they build roads! ( New road to RP what 10 years old now) still holding up fine to my surprise
The engineers say they haven't even begun bringing the "big" rocks in yet!
OK think back when they dredged for the new dock for the reactors, did they not put that rock and dirt where Plaza Los Glorious sits today?
That area on which sits the hotel and the condos was build up when the harbor was dredged and expanded. IT sat empty for some years and most of it still is empty. If you look right behind Max's restaurant you will see a stone wall that used to be the sea wall. Behind and up a bit behind Kino's Market is a now abandoned hotel that used to be beachfront.
The reactor stuff that came in was way too large to come in at the port due to the narrow roads and overhead stuff. They brought them in to a pier constructed on the East beach which is still there. The could only move a few miles a day so you can still see the cleared stopping areas along the highway to Ojo where they would overnight and the cut outs around the culverts which would have collapsed from the incredible weight. Think I'm not clear about is how they got them through the protected area there around the Organ Pipe Cactus preserve.
That area on which sits the hotel and the condos was build up when the harbor was dredged and expanded. IT sat empty for some years and most of it still is empty. If you look right behind Max's restaurant you will see a stone wall that used to be the sea wall. Behind and up a bit behind Kino's Market is a now abandoned hotel that used to be beachfront.
I was out of state when the work was done and when I headed down to the old hangout on my return, I was completely lost when I ran into the Plaza Las Glorias.
The video needs music that fits the scene...maybe the music from the shower scene in Psycho since the Sea of Cortez is being murdered one truck load at a time...
The video needs music that fits the scene...maybe the music from the shower scene in Psycho since the Sea of Cortez is being murdered one truck load at a time...
It is hard to believe that I agree with a post from the commie pinko ratfink leader. But I do.
The video needs music that fits the scene...maybe the music from the shower scene in Psycho since the Sea of Cortez is being murdered one truck load at a time...
Its good to know Jerry that you don't use any plastic products, don't eat meat, don't wear or use animal based products, or use a vehicle that consumes gas. for every tree huger, you have someone that is offended that they don't do more. Everyone (including the guy that lives on a tree and won't come down) is doing something to destroy the environment.
My hope is that the development follows the requirements by the environmental study and impact as requested.
Been watching a lot of videos on youtube lately of people LIGHTING their TAP WATER on FIRE because of shale drilling. I'm guessing you're against regulation of that too...
Drill Baby Drill
Educate yourself and don't believe everything you see on TV.
Just like your buddy, the over-bloated ex-VP Al Gore and the $100 MILLION he personally profited from his off-base fear mongering movie "An Inconvenient Truth" , these shale fracking stories are primarily bogus as well.
35 Inconvenient Truths: The Errors in Al Gore's Movie
From article "Fiction Masquerading As News In The Oil And Gas Shale World" "The premier of Gasland II on HBO Monday night is a good case in point. I’m not going to do a complete review of the film, but you can find a really good review of it here, at EnergyInDepth. One scene in particular deserves comment, though, and that is the inclusion of a scene of a landowner in Parker County, TX, lighting his water hose on fire, and pretending that was somehow due to “fracking” in the Barnett Shale area of North Texas.
This is a well-known incident that was ruled as a fraud in 2012 in a Texas District Court proceeding. This particular landowner, working with a local “consultant” who is little more than an anti-natural gas activist, was revealed in court to have “…attach(ed) a garden hose to a gas vent – not to a water line – and then light and burn the gas from the end of the nozzle of the hose. The demonstration was not done for scientific study but to provide local and national news media a deceptive video, calculated to alarm the public into believing the water was burning … [and] alarm the EPA.”
I might be out of my fracking mind, but I don't see how this has anything to do with "Puerto Penasco Home Port". subject.
Take fair warning, his high heels are killer. Lucky for you my purse and I are in retirement.
You go, gurl!!
As for Larry's fracking example, well, they aren't fracking in Rocky Point yet to my knowledge. Twerking, oh yeah, but not as much since Spring Break sort of up and died.
In the larger context, I think Larry was simply making a point that "environmental truth" is often a lie perpetuated to line somebody's pockets. I do find it amusing, however, that CEDO was instrumental in shutting down the development of the new marina aka, the current racetrack, for "severe damage to the reef ecosystem in the area." Yet now, a project comes along that's about oh, 20x the scope of the little marina and nary a peep outta anyone about the environmental impact. Money corrupts. BIG money corrupts absolutely and depending on whose money it really is, well, I can see why I'd sit back and shut my yap if I was a CEDO employee. Just sayin'... Viva Mexico! ;)
As for Larry's fracking example, well, they aren't fracking in Rocky Point yet to my knowledge. Twerking, oh yeah, but not as much since Spring Break sort of up and died.
In the larger context, I think Larry was simply making a point that "environmental truth" is often a lie perpetuated to line somebody's pockets. I do find it amusing, however, that CEDO was instrumental in shutting down the development of the new marina aka, the current racetrack, for "severe damage to the reef ecosystem in the area." Yet now, a project comes along that's about oh, 20x the scope of the little marina and nary a peep outta anyone about the environmental impact. Money corrupts. BIG money corrupts absolutely and depending on whose money it really is, well, I can see why I'd sit back and shut my yap if I was a CEDO employee. Just sayin'... Viva Mexico! ;)
Stewart, Cedo employees do like to swim with the fishes...but not in the GodFather "swim with the fishes" way
Sorry but I don't think Cedo had anything to do with stopping work on Browns so called marina/race track it was the crash of the market and SBR ran out of money. They are not going to frack anything, no need to. Again I'm not a fan of this project but let us all get our facts together before we say something we can not back up, just saying.
Haha, the other day he sent me a chat through the website. I made the mistake of replying. He asked if I owned property in RP. When I responded that I don't, he told me to "f*** off". Some people take this cruise terminal more seriously than others...
Who sent you an email the other day through the website?
Please don't say it was me because I have never communicated with you.
And, I would never tell you to f*** off either.
Can you please clarify this post because it sounds like you are referring to me here.
Sorry but I don't think Cedo had anything to do with stopping work on Browns so called marina/race track it was the crash of the market and SBR ran out of money. They are not going to frack anything, no need to. Again I'm not a fan of this project but let us all get our facts together before we say something we can not back up, just saying.
Because you never have anything to say about Rocky Point. You sit back from afar and lurk on the forum waiting for me to make a comment about FRACKING and then come out of your hiatus to comment. I haven't seen you post in about 2 or 3 weeks and wouldnt you know it. Out of a thread that has 10 pages you find my one comment about FRACKING and you make that your come back post of the week!
Coming from the guy that never posts but rather waits in the dark for me to post and then comes out of retirement to argue with me. You're a joke.
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I'm going to ask that BOTH of you go to your User Control Panel and put each other on Ignore. Without taking either side, if you two can't seem to get along and continue back and forth at each other in this or other threads, you'll both feel the impact of the Ban Hammer for awhile. While I don't mind our members poking each other lightly now and again, I'm tired of the "rolling gun battles" that seem to develop between some of you. Got it?
Larry here sits around in Rants and Raves and after he gets bored waiting for some action he can't help it; he brings us a Rant about fracking on the open forum. Not all that, but then we get a interpretation of what he was trying to say from Stuart.LOL
Larry here sits around in Rants and Raves and after he gets bored waiting for some action he can't help it; he brings us a Rant about fracking on the open forum. Not all that, but then we get a interpretation of what he was trying to say from Stuart.LOL
I was more concerned about the twerking than the fracking, but my YouTubes of Mamacitas are not appropriate forum content, Kenny.