I heard that the goal is to get to 300 meters by the end of the month (in time for official ceremony with governor). I have not been down there since the 1st part of the month, so I am curious as to how far along they appear
I heard that the goal is to get to 300 meters by the end of the month (in time for official ceremony with governor). I have not been down there since the 1st part of the month, so I am curious as to how far along they appear[/q
I heard that the goal is to get to 300 meters by the end of the month (in time for official ceremony with governor). I have not been down there since the 1st part of the month, so I am curious as to how far along they appear
Just was there today & Id say its apx 180 yards long now ( 165 meters )or (7 iron par 3 if your a golfer :) ). There working really fast apx 7am to 7pm every day. Lately they have been bringing in huge boulders some the size of vw bugs and slowly placing those mostly where the break meets the beach & out a little ways..There is a lot of tourists in town right now for the Roger Clyne concerts so lots of people hanging out around the Mar Blu & Wrecked at the Reef to view the action..[/quote]
There is a lot of tourists in town right now for the Roger Clyne concerts so lots of people hanging out around the Mar Blu & Wrecked at the Reef to view the action..
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It's like a train wreck... Can't keep their eyes off it
Just was there today & Id say its apx 180 yards long now ( 165 meters )or (7 iron par 3 if your a golfer :) ). There working really fast apx 7am to 7pm every day. Lately they have been bringing in huge boulders some the size of vw bugs and slowly placing those mostly where the break meets the beach & out a little ways..There is a lot of tourists in town right now for the Roger Clyne concerts so lots of people hanging out around the Mar Blu & Wrecked at the Reef to view the action..
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I'll put money on it that you can't hit your seven iron 180!!!!!!!!!
I'll put money on it that you can't hit your seven iron 180!!!!!!!!!
Your spelling is as atrocious as Mike's.
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Wow another amazing informative post from Joe. Your contributions to this RP forum are always so helpful. And you even know how to use your spell check.....Im amazed again your so cool.......BRO......lmao
I've been to Costa Maya, that was a let down, but the dock for the cruise ships were all cement. So my guess is what we're seeing now is just the beginning, obviously, but cement to cover it as well.
I've been to Costa Maya, that was a let down, but the dock for the cruise ships were all cement. So my guess is what we're seeing now is just the beginning, obviously, but cement to cover it as well.
Costa Maya is a pier... Not quite sure what they have planned for here...
Undergoing rapid growth since the late 1970s, Zihuatanejo suffers myriad environmental problems. Untreated wastewater flows into the bay to such an extent that locals no longer swim off the main beach. Environmentalists and federal officials blame a half-finished jetty, part of a resort expansion, for helping trap contamination inside the bay. Local divers say sewage sludge on the bay’s floor is now several feet deep. “Another (cruise ship) pier will aggravate the situation,” wrote environmentalist Silvestre Pacheco to the SCT last year.
Does anyone know if the truckers got paid and if they started hauling rock again or any other update. Just talked to someone in Cholla they said that the flagmanis their and the trucks are running said they are making it higher and wider.
Undergoing rapid growth since the late 1970s, Zihuatanejo suffers myriad environmental problems. Untreated wastewater flows into the bay to such an extent that locals no longer swim off the main beach. Environmentalists and federal officials blame a half-finished jetty, part of a resort expansion, for helping trap contamination inside the bay. Local divers say sewage sludge on the bay’s floor is now several feet deep. “Another (cruise ship) pier will aggravate the situation,” wrote environmentalist Silvestre Pacheco to the SCT last year.
That was my concern also it will trap everything that gets behind it and cover up the reef with muck. Muck is a nice word for Sh*t
Undergoing rapid growth since the late 1970s, Zihuatanejo suffers myriad environmental problems. Untreated wastewater flows into the bay to such an extent that locals no longer swim off the main beach. Environmentalists and federal officials blame a half-finished jetty, part of a resort expansion, for helping trap contamination inside the bay. Local divers say sewage sludge on the bay’s floor is now several feet deep. “Another (cruise ship) pier will aggravate the situation,” wrote environmentalist Silvestre Pacheco to the SCT last year.
That is truly sad about Zihuatanejo. I was hoping to make it down there one day.
Repairs to north jetty tip, Yaquina, Oregon Inlet (2000).
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Jetties are shore-normal stone structures commonly used for training navigation channels and stabilizing inlets. In this case, jetties are used for controlling the navigation depth of channels. Jetties prevent intrusion of long-shore sediment transport. Jetties also constrain the steady flow causing higher flow velocities and thereby scouring the channel to a depth required for safe navigation. Pier structures are sometimes referred to as jetties.
Piers are usually pile-supported structures with wooden or steel decks and are used for pedestrian access, fishing, research, and supporting commercial establishments http://chl.erdc.usace.army.mil/chl.aspx?p=s&a=ARTICLES;514&g=41
Kenny its not a jetty or pier, its a breakwater, the docks are going to be on shore as in this pic.
Put down the crack pipe, dog. It could never be like that pic, ever. The tides would flood the place. You would need one heck of a gigantic floating dock structure to make that concept even remotely possible.
The thing I do not understand is why there is not going to be a pier at the mouth of the jetty to stop the Northerners from doing what they do. To bad they didn't build a little one ( like this one I saw in Tasmania) it would have been cool in Penasco but no...we go big time...
The thing I do not understand is why there is not going to be a pier at the mouth of the jetty to stop the Northerners from doing what they do. To bad they didn't build a little one ( like this one I saw in Tasmania) it would have been cool in Penasco but no...we go big time...
Jerry It may all still change take a real look at the players in this game!!!! Holly sh*t, I don't even want to go their. But please I don't want to seem completely negative I do want them to succeed even if I don't agree with the project.
The thing I do not understand is why there is not going to be a pier at the mouth of the jetty to stop the Northerners from doing what they do. To bad they didn't build a little one ( like this one I saw in Tasmania) it would have been cool in Penasco but no...we go big time...
That picture shows a Jetty with boat docks and a breakwater to keep the boats from getting beat up.
Years ago I used to watch them unload cattle in San Felipe. They would anchor in the harbor and lower the cattle with a rope around there horns over the side. Then they would tie them off to a panga and motor them to shore. It was an amazing site.
Put down the crack pipe, dog. It could never be like that pic, ever. The tides would flood the place. You would need one heck of a gigantic floating dock structure to make that concept even remotely possible.
Nice try Sr. Flintstone, seems you been hanging with Barney and rebel, stuck in that old generation, I'll tell Hector to send you a couple more hundred emails...
Nice try Sr. Flintstone, seems you been hanging with Barney and rebel, stuck in that old generation, I'll tell Hector to send you a couple more hundred emails...
Yeah, I'm so old school... technology solves everything... uh-huh. The 23 ft. tide change is not something to be trifled with. Could they do it as it looks in the picture? Not likely. The only other option as I see it is having all loading, departures, arrivals, etc. coordinated to the tides. That's a real PITA, trust me. Spent a week in San Felipe one year and having to try and launch the boat at 3:00 am because that's when the high tide occurred. Otherwise, the ramps were dry and the ocean was out from them by nearly a mile!
Don't do me any favors as far as Hector goes, thanks!
Nice try Kenny, knowing the difference after the fact. That thing looks primitive as they come, maybe 70's.
What the hell you talking about dog? The truth is all any of us know for sure at this point is, it ain't no pier!
Here's a jetty that kicked all our butt's (no belly boards, body womping) and it's still breaking necks today. THE WEDGE.......The waves are a by-product of improvements to the groin (rock jetty) on the west side of the Newport Harbor entrance undertaken during the 1930s. When conditions are right, and a wave approaches the shore at the proper angle (most generally a south swell), an approaching wave will reflect off the jetty creating a second wave. The reflected wave meets up with the following wave of the set and forms a peak, and this pattern can repeat for several following waves as well.http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the wedge&qpvt=the wedge&FORM=VDRE
I sort of saw it being more like Cabo where you anchor out and tender in. When I went to PV one year on Mex Riviera cruise, the dock there was right at lands end it seemed like. Often wonder with the way the tides run in PP how they could dock without hitting bottom.
OK I'm going down next week I will take my tape measure and depth gauge check it out and report back. So all the answers are to come so we can stop all the guess work. LOL
OK I'm going down next week I will take my tape measure and depth gauge check it out and report back. So all the answers are to come so we can stop all the guess work. LOL
From all the information that's been provided. It will be a homeport. The fueling will be done in Guymas. There will be be room for three ships to dock at the same time. The facebook page offers some good informationa and concept drawings.
By definition a Home port needs the direct umbilical cord to land for fueling, cleaning and re stocking supplies and loading luggage filled tourists. None of this can be accomplished with Tenders.
So that makes the one at PV a home port.
It will be quiet a sight to see once its completed. Even with the concept drawings....I still can't see it. Maybe subconsciously I don't want to ;)
From all the information that's been provided. It will be a homeport. The fueling will be done in Guymas. There will be be room for three ships to dock at the same time. The facebook page offers some good informationa and concept drawings.
Talked to a booster of the project yesterday that had a positive take on it even if nothing ever launches.The money is in the pipe for a 4 lane road from the airport to the homeport,facilities for private planes are being improved,the coastal highway is being finished only because the homeport guys needed to do it as a trade off for support,the Sonoyta crossing/bypass will happen......then he went on to blow smoke about how thousands of Americans fed a 10 year diet of fear from Fox News will really drive to Mexico ,stay a week and cruise.....no way...
Probably just outside of Sonoyta like they with the Mariposa bypass crossing in Nogales. Easier to build a new one than to move all those houses right at the current crossing.
I think Sonoyta is one of the biggest reasons RP doesn't get the casual tourist. A bypass coupled with the new Sandy Beach route could really help. For whatever reason, poverty scares a lot of people and if it's kept out of sight, RP could really see some growth. My only concern with a bypass is whether I'll still be able to buy tortillas on the way back.
Sonoyta isn't so bad. All part of the charm of Mexico. Doesn't take very long to drive through it, just have to watch your speed. For those going down just for a day or 2 the new Super Ley Express is a quick & easy grocery stop. El Sarape, the tacos by Vasquez, the tortillaria, the ice cream places, all good. I don't see the point of spending a fortune to build a bypass. I would be more interested in hearing about the other route between Sonoyta & RP. Supposed to be a shorter & quicker route. I think it was Gillespie's old route.
I don't really care how I get there....just as long as I get there.:cool:
Yes and no.
Sonoyta can be a complete logjam at times. Especially American holiday weekends. I haven't seen the plans for the bypass, so I don't know what the true option is that's being considered. However, consider the truck traffic through town alone. I see two possible scenarios here: 1) build a bypass so that traffic on 2 can pass south of town and pick up 2 to the west of town. Heck, Phoenix has needed the same thing for years - a way to route through traffic on 1o south of the city to rejoin existing 10 out west by Buckeye somewhere, instead of through the center of downtown. 2) Build a new border crossing west of Sonoyta that connects to the current main highway south just outside of town. That's an expense for both sides of the border.
As was said, I've been across both crossings at Nogales and no way in hell would I ever take the DeConcini crossing downtown Nogales again. Mariposa is busy, but it's got lots of lanes and they move pretty quickly. I'm always headed further south when I go that way, so I don't miss the huge traffic jam that it is Nogales.
I don't think it has anything to do with "hiding the poverty" at all. Plain ol' efficiency in getting from point A to point B and back. It would be welcome!
By passes are convenient but they have gutted the flavor of traveling, making all roads look the same, killing off local flavor businesses in town and creating plaza opportunities for big companies like the Outlet Malls. Sterilized door to door travel where everything looks the same !! Blech !!:eek::eek::eek:
Gimme a break here. Sonoyta is a small town and yes sometimes it slows traffic a little but a complete logjam ?? The border stop acts in effect to distrubute traffic out over time as it releases vehicles. It's the first flavor of Mexico after crossing the border and should not be passed over to rush visitors to the artificial atmosphere high rise condos or the Mayan Palace.
Maybe an over pass at 3 and one way loop using existing roadways through town would work to smooth out traffic and and keep the atmosphere.
The new road down is to be built by the Mayan folks and will serve them well but not Penasco.
I look forward to someday driving on the Mayan road- it will probably take an additional 20 minutes off our trip to Miramar but who knows when that will be a reality.
I look forward to someday driving on the Mayan road- it will probably take an additional 20 minutes off our trip to Miramar but who knows when that will be a reality.
Miramar,Sasabe with bridges across the washes is coming so figure from Tucson a hour to the border,a hour from Sasabe to Caborca and maybe two hours to Miramar
That's the same time as now- and I'm nervous about Sasabe (but also now about Sonoyta!) But the tacos are better in Sonoyta- El Serape, so we'll keep going that way.
It is just the one Arm man that used to wash your window did not mind that but the Old women who almost walks out in front is too much, but I don't think they slow traffic that much.
It is just the one Arm man that used to wash your window did not mind that but the Old women who almost walks out in front is too much, but I don't think they slow traffic that much.
That woman scares me if I don't give her money- I think she's casting an evil spell the way she looks at me! My husband jokes and says she's the one who lives in the big house on the hill across from the Pemex.
That's the same time as now- and I'm nervous about Sasabe (but also now about Sonoyta!) But the tacos are better in Sonoyta- El Serape, so we'll keep going that way.
You guys hate Mike (the writer)because he almost got the waitress killed in Penance by hitmen....good. reason but
he is a good guy.
Hate is too strong of a word for me. Dislike and dont trust for sure. I think he's a fraud. What's a waitress or so in the scheme of things anyway. Lots of them around.
I heard the refurbished Fiesta Cruiser will be calling the new "Home Port" home!
I think it will become a Taco Stand next to the unfinished Home Port (Jetty) sitting on Sandy Beach for long time I just hope they will let you fish off that Jetty.
As things work out on this I don't think I would calling the demise of a multi million dollar government approved project just because you don't see it going the way you would do it if you could. Lot's of moving pieces, bound to be problems but this is not a pipe dream this is a major deal. I guess it makes for interesting post if you can observe that it is a failed project in your opinion. Let' see what happens
As things work out on this I don't think I would calling the demise of a multi million dollar government approved project just because you don't see it going the way you would do it if you could. Lot's of moving pieces, bound to be problems but this is not a pipe dream this is a major deal. I guess it makes for interesting post if you can observe that it is a failed project in your opinion. Let' see what happens
In the same way that you speak well of it. You're an idealist and this is a discussion forum so both view points are welcome and relevant.
In the same way that you speak well of it. You're an idealist and this is a discussion forum so both view points are welcome and relevant.
hillboys on the scene report that there is a truck driver strike because the loafers actually expect to be paid for their labor reinforces the previous news story that one of the most corrupt companies in Mexico is involved in the project.The environmental reports were a white wash according to two other sources.
On another front http://www.cruiselawnews.com/. Sort of explains why the homeport is happening.Cruise Ships can dock safely outside of US law,board Americans and still pay the 500 bucks a month some crew members take home on these slave ships.
hillboys on the scene report that there is a truck driver strike because the loafers actually expect to be paid for their labor reinforces the previous news story that one of the most corrupt companies in Mexico is involved in the project.The environmental reports were a white wash according to two other sources.
On another front http://www.cruiselawnews.com/. Sort of explains why the homeport is happening.Cruise Ships can dock safely outside of US law,board Americans and still pay the 500 bucks a month some crew members take home on these slave ships.
LOL, No truck strike, waiting on an explosive permit from the army, been parked for 3 weeks....
Playaperro was this Pic from today and was their not all the trucks sitting with their drivers? also one week ago they were drilling getting ready to blast but also heard that the people in Lauguna Shores had been hearing blasting but I have not heard anything in Cholla will be going down on Thurs. I hate rumors as bad as anyone and would not just start one if I believe it not to be true.
Ok .20 cents per ton x 26 ton= $5.00 per load 1 hour for the round trip, trucks burn aprox. 4 gal per hour x 4.00 per gal = $16.00 for fuel and they receive only only $5.00 per load. Sorry not trying to be a smart Ass but this can not work the numbers just don't work. Again were these Pic taken today!!!
Ok .20 cents per ton x 26 ton= $5.00 per load 1 hour for the round trip, trucks burn aprox. 4 gal per hour x 4.00 per gal = $16.00 for fuel and they receive only only $5.00 per load. Sorry not trying to be a smart Ass but this can not work the numbers just don't work. Again were these Pic taken today!!!
Where does it say they are paying per load? It is the price they are selling the rock for. You will see the scales when and if ever you post a pic, funny how we have people posting and don't even know the area, calling strikes and such. The pic was taken Monday!
Plaperro you said they are paying 20 cents per ton the trucks haul aprox. 25 ton in the large trucks $.20 x 25 ton comes to $5.00 per load Their is no way they can haul for that amount It will be interesting to find out what they really are being paid for their trucking I will try and find out Fri. but remember some things get lost in the translation.
Where does it say they are paying per load? It is the price they are selling the rock for. You will see the scales when and if ever you post a pic, funny how we have people posting and don't even know the area, calling strikes and such. The pic was taken Monday!
Who is selling the rock @ $.20 per ton? The Quarry? The contractor? Even if they meant $2.00 per ton it will not pay their expenses we buy haul rock in the states for aprox. $20.00 ton depending on the haul time. All I was trying to do was show how much a load cost
Who is selling the rock @ $.20 per ton? The Quarry? The contractor? Even if they meant $2.00 per ton it will not pay their expenses we buy haul rock in the states for aprox. $20.00 ton depending on the haul time. All I was trying to do was show how much a load cost
Thursday afternoon stopped by talked to truck driver said they have not been paid again all trucks sitting at the entrance to the site. Spoke with someone who seems to be informed said two reasons no work is going on is that number one no pay for the trucks and they have run out of rock. They have their permit now for the blasting but they are waiting for blasting caps. Would you not think a project of this size that before you start you would have all this in place before you start hell this is not rocket science. Duh! dig up a mountain and you don't need to blast. When I figure out how to up load a Pic. I will send some.
I was down there 2 days ago and snapped a few pics. Doesn't really shed any light on the situation but thought you might like to see them if you aren't in RP.