Las Palomas update?

[dry heat]

A one bed one bath condo at LP would go for $200 a night plus tax. I believe out the door its like $223 a night, VS. the private seller that rents the same exact condo for $100 a night with a one time $40 cleaning fee.

The resort allows owners to offer a discounted "owners rate" to any paying guest. The advantage is the resort provides hotel services to the paying guest and the guest does not pay any additional fees. A common problem for guests who rent directly from an owner who is not showing the guest as a "paying guest" is the guest does not receive services they expect. For example: a/c issues going out are common in the summer due to the electric problems in penasco, if a guest is a "paying guest" of the resort they would be moved to another unit in the hotel without charge since something is wrong with the unit. If the guest booked directly with the owner as a "guest of owner", the guest would have to deal with it and would not be able to be moved to another unit- unless they paid for another unit. Also the guest does not pay for wrist band fee's that give the guest access to the common areas (the wrist band fee is $25 for the entire stay and $5 per person per night- for example a 2 night stay for 4 people would be an additional $65 for 2 nights). The guest does not pay for any cleanings (for a 1 bedroom the cleaning fee is $40). The guest will receive daily maid service when they book as a "paying guest", also the guest will not have to worry about bringing pool towels since the resort will provide them. If you add up all the fee's I don't know if you are saving that much. Plus the hassle of something going wrong (ex. a/c goes out) would place the burden on the guest rather than the hotel.

The lowest owner approved rate for a 1 bedroom is $115 per night weekday and $145 per night weekend. I don't think these rates are out of the ballpark.

Ernesto is still a dumb ass. rack rates are rarely sold to a paying guest, even if they call the resort. It is like posting the msrp of a vehicle, no one pays that rate. it is used as a way for the resort to bargain down with the paying guest and make them think they are getting a good deal when compared to the rack rate (ex. our rack rate is $200 per night, however we will offer you $140 per night). the problem is the resort often posts the rack rate and does not make mention of a lower rate, unless you call and reserve that way- obviously something that needs to be fixed. I don't agree with their way of posting rates online.

Last think I want is a bunch of Ernesto's that can only afford $20 per night staying at the resort and changing the image of the resort as a low budget motel. So no, we don't want a "shitload" of rental units at bottom prices.

 

[dry heat]

How the human mind can rationalize anything....even your side of the argument!!! I particularly love the "lower experience" comment.....my gosh....no daily maid service and god forbid....no pool towels!!! What am I going to do????:crybaby:

What are you going to do if the unit's a/c goes out in the summer. Are you going to bitch and moan to the resort or try and call the guest from mexico. Yes, that is another example of ruining a rental experience for a guest. if the guest is a "paying guest of the resort", the guest would be moved to another unit. Plus, units that are in the rental pool have to meet certain guidelines (ex. the type of window covers they have, flat screen tv's, the grade of furniture, etc.). when you rent from a non rental unit, the guest may not receive the same quality furnishings they where expecting. Plus, if you are not happy with the unit, the resort will move you for any reason (can't do that if you rent directly from an owner as a "guest of owner").

 

[ernesto]

You still don't get it Drymeat. The resort is empty! People are scared . Entice, use price, fill the place up! If you are truly worried about the resort and not YOUR agenda you would.

 

[dry heat]

Nesto, all the resorts are not full. what do you consider empty? the resort has 855 units! last week the resort had 40% of the rental units rented and 55% this week. would you provide percentage's on the other resorts along sandy beach to give us an idea what you consider empty?

"people are scared" ok, so are you now saying that they are not coming because of prices or because of fear of Mexico? If they are scare of Mexico, would they be enticed by $20 nightly rates? Would the guest now say, hey I am not afraid now, I will stay for $20 per night- that will make me go regardless of my fear.

Again, we don't want the resort to be a budget motel with budget motel clientelle.

 

[rockyptjoe]

dry heat....Considering I am just cheap trailer trash...you probably don't want me at your plush resort anyway......but if I'm "renting" directly from an owner or am a guest....I know exactly what I'm getting....maybe no flat screen tv or the daily maid service....none of which I need when I come to Penasco....I'm not there for the "resort experience"....I'm there for the ocean....the sunset....the food and..... the tequila!!! I don't need the pool towels....because I'm not a pool person....if I wanted to vegetate at a pool, I would stay home..... And if the airconditioning goes out....there is maintenance at the "resort" to fix it. Maybe it won't be instantaneous....but neither is having to pack up everything and move to another unit. But again....I'm trailer trash...years ago I used to camp at Playa Bonita during the summer months....without airconditioning.......just give me some shade and that great breeze off the ocean.....

 

[curiousgeorge]

Last think I want is a bunch of Ernesto's that can only afford $20 per night staying at the resort and changing the image of the resort as a low budget motel. So no, we don't want a "shitload" of rental units at bottom prices.

You are pulling our legs right? I have seen the people the resort places and they are not exactly screening all their guests for "quality". In fact, many owners who rent on their own, know their guests and in turn their guests treat their condo and the resort as if it were their own. They appreciate getting a reasonable deal in a down market and will likely come back over and over again.

I understand there is a need for a rental manager, because many owners do not have the time nor energy to market themselves. Just hard to understand why you need to force all owners into this model. Competition is a good thing. With it, maybe WWG would have performed better for those that stayed with them.

 

[Tomcat]

Thank God I am Trailer trash too... With people like Drymeat around the condo's and HOA I would throw up listening to that garbage. Drymeat please stay away from the happy friendly trailer trash people OK !!!! The sad thing is I think drymeat believes what he is preaching LOL sad so sad !

 

[ernesto]

Even worse to be guilty by association with these people.Leesons Lemmings will go down along with WWG .

 

[rockyptjoe]

You are pulling our legs right? I have seen the people the resort places and they are not exactly screening all their guests for "quality". In fact, many owners who rent on their own, know their guests and in turn their guests treat their condo and the resort as if it were their own. They appreciate getting a reasonable deal in a down market and will likely come back over and over again.

I understand there is a need for a rental manager, because many owners do not have the time nor energy to market themselves. Just hard to understand why you need to force all owners into this model. Competition is a good thing. With it, maybe WWG would have performed better for those that stayed with them.

I've had the pleasure of using a friend's condo a couple of times.....definitely nicer than staying in my trailer.....and I appreciated the reduced rate. Just like curiousgeorge said, you tend to take care of something that belongs to a friend better then something that you're renting from an agent...... But dry heat....you come across as one of those snooty Scottsdale (or_________... fill in the blanks) types. I definitely would not want to associate with you, particularly on a vacation!!

 

[dry heat]

competition is good if you don't have a contract that restricts your ability to lease or rent your unit. the bylaws of the resort state that you can only lease your unit via the onsite rental company. sorry, if someone does not like it, they should have done a better job of their due diligence. I don't remember saying a thing about trailer's (if you guys feel inferior because of that, that is your problem). I don't know why you would associate my words about not wanting budget motel clientelle with trailer people- that was you guys (I wonder if you feelt this way-hmmm). By the way many in the trailer parks have rv's and trailer that are worth well upwards of a hundred thousand- comparable to a lot of condo's on sandy beach.
I noted that the resort offers owners the opportunity to offer a reduced rate, I even stated the rate one could offer for a 1 bedroom (ex. $115 per night weekday, with no additional resort fee's). Is that unfair for this type of a resort?

 

[ernesto]

Even worse to be guilty by association with these people.Leesons Lemmings will go down along with WWG .

 

[ernesto]

competition is good if you don't have a contract that restricts your ability to lease or rent your unit. the bylaws of the resort state that you can only lease your unit via the onsite rental company. sorry, if someone does not like it, they should have done a better job of their due diligence. I don't remember saying a thing about trailer's (if you guys feel inferior because of that, that is your problem). I don't know why you would associate my words about not wanting budget motel clientelle with trailer people- that was you guys (I wonder if you feelt this way-hmmm). By the way many in the trailer parks have rv's and trailer that are worth well upwards of a hundred thousand- comparable to a lot of condo's on sandy beach.
I noted that the resort offers owners the opportunity to offer a reduced rate, I even stated the rate one could offer for a 1 bedroom (ex. $115 per night weekday, with no additional resort fee's). Is that unfair for this type of a resort?

The contract has been breached by nonperformance of one of the parties Drymeat.Have you sent your notice to WWG about their breach? Talk about due diligence,smug mutha.

 

[rockyptjoe]

dry heat.....how do you justify the owners not having been paid for their units that were rented thru the resort (by the for profit side)???? I believe you mentioned earlier somewhere around $400K+.....but that they would be paid "going forward"......should they hold their breaths????

 

[curiousgeorge]

competition is good if you don't have a contract that restricts your ability to lease or rent your unit. the bylaws of the resort state that you can only lease your unit via the onsite rental company. sorry, if someone does not like it, they should have done a better job of their due diligence.

Dryheat, this post is most confusing of all. If you agree that competition is good, why has the SC so rigorously attempted to enforce this single bylaw? This seems to benefit WWG and not the owners. No wonder some are questioning your agenda.

Couldn't the SC work to modify this bylaw to create some competition?

 

[ernesto]

It's because some have been paid what they were owed to change their tune and try to get the rest back on the bus missing a couple of wheels.Right Drymeat? Cut the head off the snake!

 

[Tomcat]

DryMeat=Beef JERK y I will call and tell all the Hotel Managers in Las Vegas to stop giving any discounts prices during hard times or the slow season. Drymeat has spoken and he is much smarter then us common Folks. Right Drymeat=beef JERK y ? :blah::blah::blah:

 

[Mexico Joe]

Wow, I had no idea market competition would have been such a big bombshell, but I love it! Last April my gf and I were in RP for the weekend on a spur of the moment trip. We didnt have anything lined up and we dont mind staying at Playa Bonita but we decided to go door to door essentially looking for a decent rate at one of the resorts. We went to Sonoran Sun and Las Palomas. We have only rented directly from LP once and it was I believe $223 out the door for one night about 3 years ago. Both SS and LP wanted $200 a night for a one bed one bath at the front desk. Nobody informed us or even implied there was a different possible rate and so we moved on. We ended up going with our spur of the moment hotel that we dont mind; Playa Bonita. Now in saying that, Playa Bonita is I believe like $75 out the door per night. We are going to spend a minimum of that per night regardless and we would have rather stayed at one of the actual RESORTS if the price was substantially lower than $200. Las Palomas would have booked us at $125/night or even up to the quoted price from MEAT; $145/night. Nope, they were hellbent on $200 a night plus tax and lost our business to Playa Bonita, their secondary competition. Not to mention all the cash in my pocket that Im looking to blow quick at the swim up bar and dinner and whatever else it is that I might spend cash on while Im at their resort. BAD BUSINESS, and they practice it well. Another Mexican business practice is disrespecting people with money. When we arent staying at Las Palomas there have been times we wanted to go hang out there. NOPE, 0% chance of that happening now since they implemented the wristband deal. Security comes over to us 3 minutes after being there to tell us because we arent staying at the resort we have to leave. I have American money practically hanging out of my pocket, just looking for somewhere to spend it and Im getting kicked out?! Ridiculous, if I want I can go to any resort here in Phoenix, walk in and go to the bar, pool, whatever as long as your spending money nobody cares. I never understood why you would alienate or disrespect someone that is intent on spending money at your resort, completely assnine. In addition, LP use to advertise, "starting from $120 per night, PER PERSON! I will even say that the price MEAT lists at $145/night isnt bad if thats total, not per person. However, when my gf and I go we split the cost of the condo for a two night stay @ $100/night with a one time cleaning fee of $40 and wristband fee of $25/person X 2 = $290 TOTAL, divided by two is $145 each. After the craigslist inspired private sell a thon began the RENTAL POOL CROWD tried fear mongering to deter people from renting through private sellers. All I would see on craigslist were pissed off people that would say dont get caught renting from private or you are screwed if you AC goes out or electricity or hot water because you didnt rent directly through the resort. Fortunately for us we've never had any issue and the owners that I rent through have maintenance guys to call if something needs to be fixed. The price competition isnt even remotely close and thats why Ive only rented directly from the resort ONE TIME. This actually reminds me of a story and it really relates to this issue. About 3 years ago I came across a watch that I really really liked in the MALECON. It was fake obviously but it looked really good and seemed to be more quality than other watches I see down there. It was a dive watch with a nice big rubber band, really good looking. Anyways, the guy wanted $100 for this watch and I tried to explain to him that he would never sell that watch at $100. I showed him the $100 GUESS watch that I was wearing and tried to explain to him that this watch is REAL and has a WARRANTY. He didnt understand and it wasnt the communication barrier, this dude spoke english well. He simply didnt understand ECONOMICS, SUPPLY and DEMAND and INVENTORY. Furthermore, I wasnt leaving RP that weekend without that watch, but the guy wouldnt budge off of $100. Now to understand where Im coming from we have to understand this watch. The watch more than likely came out of CHINA and pry didnt cost more than $5 to make. After taking a boat trip to Mexico and a couple of middle men, the watch is now worth approximately $20. These Mexicans are so out of touch with reality that this guy was trying to make (and I hope Im not wrong, my math isnt great) a 400% profit on this FAKE WATCH. Selling the watch @ $40 and making 100% profit wasnt good enough for this dumb ass. Needless to say this guy had a whole rack of FAKE WATCHES none of which Im sure he sold that weekend piling up as INVENTORY. When you have a surplus inventory the way to get rid of it is to lower prices and liquidate your inventory to replace it with NEW PRODUCT. The guy wouldnt budge off $100 and I wasnt going to spend $100 on a FAKE WATCH and at this point my ego wouldnt allow it because this guy was such an idiot that I couldnt support that. Long story short, I never did buy that watch and for 6 months that summer the watch was still there every time I went to the Malecon. Shit, the watch might even still be there! Basically this guy is such an idiot that I wanted that watch so bad I would have payed $50 for it and he would have made a sale and cleared some INVENTORY, but he was so god damn greedy that he literally pissed away money. I see a lot of that happening at the resorts as well; unfortunate!

 

[ernesto]

Nice story Joe. Obviously you get it.Las Palomas and the owners in their pocket won't listen long enough to get it. They are to busy poppin' offf about a contract that was signed by 2 parties and voided by WWG through non performance. They'll have more time to listen after they've been starved out and sent packing.Then those owners will learn the lesson at the hands of those that understand business.Its not about putting a bunch of expensive shit in your condo Ben,to get the upper hand. The MARKET dictates what the rent should be. Listen up!

 

[dry heat]

The contract has been breached by nonperformance of one of the parties Drymeat.Have you sent your notice to WWG about their breach? Talk about due diligence,smug mutha.

The bylaw of not renting outside of one rental management company is an HOA bylaw enforced by the HOA. Owners knew from the beginning that they had to rent via the company that manages the rental's at the resort. Now if the rental company breached their contract, then they could either be voted out or the individual could cancel their contract with them. However if an owner cancelled their contract, they could still not rent their unit outside of the rental company. the solution is to either have enough owners to vote out the company and replace with another or cancel your contract with them (again can't rent the unit if you go this route). As I say this, I believe the resort will have a different rental company sometime this year.

 

[dry heat]

dry heat.....how do you justify the owners not having been paid for their units that were rented thru the resort (by the for profit side)???? I believe you mentioned earlier somewhere around $400K+.....but that they would be paid "going forward"......should they hold their breaths????

Past rental income owed by the rental company and dues owed to the HOA are being negotiated so that we have a solution to past money owed. This unfortunately is not a quick fix solution (lawyers involved, labor laws, making sure agreement meets hoa bylaws and making sure it meets state/federal laws, in additon to making sure the agreement is the best one that can be made for the benefit of owners and the HOA). I believe we will have a solution sooner than later.