Las Palomas update?

[rockyptjoe]

You never answered the question.....

 

[Mexico Joe]

You never answered the question.....

HAHA! MEAT'S good at that!

 

[Mexico Joe]

MEAT, why wont LP let me come and spend money at their resort? I dress and act appropriately, dont they like money?

 

[rockyptjoe]

Mexico Joe....but they will...as long as you just pay the rental company....and not pay the owners....that makes sense, deosn't it?

 

[dry heat]

If you agree that competition is good, why has the SC so rigorously attempted to enforce this single bylaw? This seems to benefit WWG and not the owners. No wonder some are questioning your agenda. Couldn't the SC work to modify this bylaw to create some competition?

Competition is good, we have it among the resorts (ex. sun, spa, sea, sky, bella sirena, tessoro, las palomas, etc.) We can't though have 400+ individual owners dictating the market and having hundreds of different price points as to what one thinks they should charge. Example: what would stop an owner from renting their unit for $10 per night? eventually they would book 100% and under cut other owners. at that rate the market would drop only because owners dictated the rates rather than what the market thought was appropriate. The competition should be among resorts, and as it stands- Las Palomas still has a higher occupancy percentage than the market (see examples above) and the price point is on par with the other resorts along sandy beach. The enforcement of only one rental management company at the resort has a variety of benefits. To owners that don't rent, they are not going to want tens of independent contractors on the property servicing units (ex. maid service, rental agencies, etc.). Also one rental management company is common among most of the resorts along sandy beach. Eventually when a new rental company comes along, they will benefit from having the enforcement of one rental agency.

 

[dry heat]

It's because some have been paid what they were owed to change their tune and try to get the rest back on the bus missing a couple of wheels.Right Drymeat? Cut the head off the snake!

If you are saying that some owners have been paid past rental income, I don't see why the operator would need to do this since they don't need approval from any single owner as long as they are the rental company on site (you could have all owners say that the operator eats children, yet that won't change anything unless the operator is removed by the assembly of rental owners- 400+). As I said before, I believe we will have a new rental company sometime this year (my guess). The rest of your post is filled with emotion and I can't answer that.

 

[dry heat]

DryMeat=Beef JERK y I will call and tell all the Hotel Managers in Las Vegas to stop giving any discounts prices during hard times or the slow season. Drymeat has spoken and he is much smarter then us common Folks. Right Drymeat=beef JERK y ? :blah::blah::blah:

<WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP>, you are filled with emotion in your rant. The resort does offer a discounted rate that owners can offer via the rental company that actually is lower than similar sized units along sandy beach. If you reserve via the resort, the rate is on par with these resorts.

 

[dry heat]

Wow, I had no idea market competition would have been such a big bombshell, but I love it! Last April my gf and I were in RP for the weekend on a spur of the moment trip. We didnt have anything lined up and we dont mind staying at Playa Bonita but we decided to go door to door essentially looking for a decent rate at one of the resorts. We went to Sonoran Sun and Las Palomas. We have only rented directly from LP once and it was I believe $223 out the door for one night about 3 years ago. Both SS and LP wanted $200 a night for a one bed one bath at the front desk. Nobody informed us or even implied there was a different possible rate and so we moved on. We ended up going with our spur of the moment hotel that we dont mind; Playa Bonita. Now in saying that, Playa Bonita is I believe like $75 out the door per night. We are going to spend a minimum of that per night regardless and we would have rather stayed at one of the actual RESORTS if the price was substantially lower than $200. Las Palomas would have booked us at $125/night or even up to the quoted price from MEAT; $145/night. Nope, they were hellbent on $200 a night plus tax and lost our business to Playa Bonita, their secondary competition. Not to mention all the cash in my pocket that Im looking to blow quick at the swim up bar and dinner and whatever else it is that I might spend cash on while Im at their resort. BAD BUSINESS, and they practice it well. Another Mexican business practice is disrespecting people with money. When we arent staying at Las Palomas there have been times we wanted to go hang out there. NOPE, 0% chance of that happening now since they implemented the wristband deal. Security comes over to us 3 minutes after being there to tell us because we arent staying at the resort we have to leave. I have American money practically hanging out of my pocket, just looking for somewhere to spend it and Im getting kicked out?! Ridiculous, if I want I can go to any resort here in Phoenix, walk in and go to the bar, pool, whatever as long as your spending money nobody cares. I never understood why you would alienate or disrespect someone that is intent on spending money at your resort, completely assnine. In addition, LP use to advertise, "starting from $120 per night, PER PERSON! I will even say that the price MEAT lists at $145/night isnt bad if thats total, not per person. However, when my gf and I go we split the cost of the condo for a two night stay @ $100/night with a one time cleaning fee of $40 and wristband fee of $25/person X 2 = $290 TOTAL, divided by two is $145 each. After the craigslist inspired private sell a thon began the RENTAL POOL CROWD tried fear mongering to deter people from renting through private sellers. All I would see on craigslist were pissed off people that would say dont get caught renting from private or you are screwed if you AC goes out or electricity or hot water because you didnt rent directly through the resort. Fortunately for us we've never had any issue and the owners that I rent through have maintenance guys to call if something needs to be fixed. The price competition isnt even remotely close and thats why Ive only rented directly from the resort ONE TIME. This actually reminds me of a story and it really relates to this issue. About 3 years ago I came across a watch that I really really liked in the MALECON. It was fake obviously but it looked really good and seemed to be more quality than other watches I see down there. It was a dive watch with a nice big rubber band, really good looking. Anyways, the guy wanted $100 for this watch and I tried to explain to him that he would never sell that watch at $100. I showed him the $100 GUESS watch that I was wearing and tried to explain to him that this watch is REAL and has a WARRANTY. He didnt understand and it wasnt the communication barrier, this dude spoke english well. He simply didnt understand ECONOMICS, SUPPLY and DEMAND and INVENTORY.

Way too long... cliff notes? are we still comparing watches to rental rates?
1. You are right, the operator is bad at the rental game when it comes to people walking in and asking for a rate (heard it before). Hopefully this will be corrected with either a new rental company or with the current one (they have been advised of the problem). In the future, if you want the lowest approved rate, try sites such as VRBO and you will notice the rate is closer to what I said before (ex. $115 per night for a weekday 1 bedroom unit- no additional fee's).
2. wristbands are nothing new to resorts along sandy beach. for a while Las Palomas was one of the few resorts that did not have wristbands, this resulted in a variety of people using the pools and common area. Example, we would often find families from the areas using the pools on sunday. again, wristbands are common among many of the resorts (ex. bella, sonoran properties). Unfortunately for every person that would spend money in the pool bar, we have a lot more that would just use the pools (ex. fights broke out prior to wristbands and not knowing who was a guest). If someone wanted to eat at one of the restaurants or play golf, they are certainly allowed. the problem exists with allowing people off the street onto the pool areas. I don't think mexican's disrespect people with money, I have no problem and I own a variety of property in rocky point (I have yet to have my g500 keyed or have anyone take my plastic caps from my escalade).

 

[Mexico Joe]

Mexico Joe....but they will...as long as you just pay the rental company....and not pay the owners....that makes sense, deosn't it?

I should be allowed to stay anywhere I want in RP and still be able to go "CHILL" at LP. I should be able to walk in and sit by the pool and spend money. Im pretty sure one of the security guards tried telling me I couldnt be on the beach in front of LP because I wasnt staying there. I thought the beach was federal land and open to anyone?! Terrible (IN MY CHARLES BARKLEY VOICE)

 

[dry heat]

Nice story Joe. Obviously you get it.Las Palomas and the owners in their pocket won't listen long enough to get it. They are to busy poppin' offf about a contract that was signed by 2 parties and voided by WWG through non performance. They'll have more time to listen after they've been starved out and sent packing.Then those owners will learn the lesson at the hands of those that understand business.Its not about putting a bunch of expensive shit in your condo Ben,to get the upper hand. The MARKET dictates what the rent should be. Listen up!

Emotions, Emotions. If you want to suceed monetarily you are going to have to eventually take emotion out of your wants and needs. Again with the owners in LP's pocket, why oh why would the operator need to pay off any owners, they can do as they please regardless if every single rental owners hated them (unless they are removed or replaced by a different rental company). Paying owners off would be bad business if they didn't need to in the 1st place- good thing they are not taking my advise huh. As I said, eventually we will have a new operator. in the meantime, at least the current one is paying rental income moving forward (since feb.). past rental income is being negotiated- sorry no fairy dust available to pay everyone off immediately. You keep mentioning "Ben", did he break up with you?
You are right my little ernesto, the market does dictate what rent should be and the rates are in line (if not lower in many cases) with other resorts along sandy beach.

 

[dry heat]

You never answered the question.....

hold on cupcake, moving down the list.

 

[dry heat]

HAHA! MEAT'S good at that!

moving down jose, I know you are excited.

 

[dry heat]

MEAT, why wont LP let me come and spend money at their resort? I dress and act appropriately, dont they like money?

Yes, you can spend money at the restaurants and golf course (and not be a guest of the resort). however to enter the pool grounds, one must be an approved guest of the resort. The majority of non resort guests that entered the pool area (pool bars/pools), where there to use the pools (if the majority where there to spend money at the pool bar rather than having a family of 8 using the facilities, it may have been different).

 

[dry heat]

Mexico Joe....but they will...as long as you just pay the rental company....and not pay the owners....that makes sense, deosn't it?

almost all of the resorts have exclusive rental companies that must be used if a unit is going to be rented. again, rental income being paid for current rentals- past rental income owed is being negotiated and hopefully we will have a resolution (ex. a new rental company). I wish I could focus on the emotional aspect of it all and be pissed off by saying "off with their heads", "fire them all", "they suck", etc. However, I would rather try and find a solution than just complain and say we should do this or that.

 

[dry heat]

I should be allowed to stay anywhere I want in RP and still be able to go "CHILL" at LP. I should be able to walk in and sit by the pool and spend money. Im pretty sure one of the security guards tried telling me I couldnt be on the beach in front of LP because I wasnt staying there. I thought the beach was federal land and open to anyone?! Terrible (IN MY CHARLES BARKLEY VOICE)

stay anywhere you want and spend all you want at any of the restaurants or the golf course. unfortunately too many people outside guest used the pools rather than spend money at the pool bars, thus the reason why the area is reserved for authorized guests. Yes, beach is federal land and open to any one up to a certain level (palapa area is part of private property).

 

[Mexico Joe]

Way too long... cliff notes? are we still comparing watches to rental rates?
1. You are right, the operator is bad at the rental game when it comes to people walking in and asking for a rate (heard it before). Hopefully this will be corrected with either a new rental company or with the current one (they have been advised of the problem). In the future, if you want the lowest approved rate, try sites such as VRBO and you will notice the rate is closer to what I said before (ex. $115 per night for a weekday 1 bedroom unit- no additional fee's).
2. wristbands are nothing new to resorts along sandy beach. for a while Las Palomas was one of the few resorts that did not have wristbands, this resulted in a variety of people using the pools and common area. Example, we would often find families from the areas using the pools on sunday. again, wristbands are common among many of the resorts (ex. bella, sonoran properties). Unfortunately for every person that would spend money in the pool bar, we have a lot more that would just use the pools (ex. fights broke out prior to wristbands and not knowing who was a guest). If someone wanted to eat at one of the restaurants or play golf, they are certainly allowed. the problem exists with allowing people off the street onto the pool areas. I don't think mexican's disrespect people with money, I have no problem and I own a variety of property in rocky point (I have yet to have my g500 keyed or have anyone take my plastic caps from my escalade).

Yo DRY MEAT, you dont need cliff notes, you have the reading comprehension of a PRO, right?! I wasnt comparing watches to rental rates, only comparing how MEXICANS do business. I dont believe the operator is bad at the rental game, they arent bad they are bad people. They purposefully dont tell you about the cheaper rate, why would they?! Its not that they are bad at what they do, its that they dont give a <WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP>! If it's this person's job to get business into the resort they are doing a horrible job and should have been fired. Like I said we went elsewhere because of a $50 difference. Also, if you are educated and I know you are because we've gone back and forth these past couple of days you would know that a CONDO isnt going to rent out for $10/night. $100/night yes but $10 come on, now you're making this a joke. Im well aware of the reason why LP implemented a wristband policy, because for a while like you said the LOCALS were using the pool like it was the SUNNYSLOPE CITY OF PHX POOL. I understand this but what I dont understand and this has nothing to do with race but simply THE TRUTH, IM WHITE AND A TOURIST AND I HAVE MONEY (well... at least thats what the RP cops think every time they stop me) THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND. Kicking locals out because they are DEGENERATING isnt the same as telling me to leave when Im about to DROP $50 at the swim up bar! You took what I said out of context, I didnt mean they disrespect anyone that has money, as in you with your G WAGON. What I was saying is that they are disrespectful of possible guests or people that are going to spend money at their resort. I know this has nothing to do with LP but the last time we stayed at SONORAN SKY the security was hassling the hell out of us and my buddy and I were talking about it and I was saying could you imagine that happening at the KIERLAND RESORT OR DESERT RIDGE OR THE POINT TAPATIO CLIFFS OR ANY OTHER RESORT HOTEL IN AMERICA. When I was younger I was a bellman at EMBASSY SUITES PV, and the one thing I learned about the HOTEL RESORT INDUSTRY, the GUEST IS ALWAYS RIGHT. You would never get asked what room or what floor you were staying on IN AMERICA, the HOTEL OR RESORT DOESNT ALIENATE GUESTS OR POTENTIAL GUESTS LIKE THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happens a lot in RP though, why? Because LOCALS WERE USING THE POOLS????????? IM WHITE AND I HAVE MONEY TO SPEND, tell the LOCALS TO GO HOME AND TURN TO ME AND SAY WHAT CAN I GET FOR YOU SIR?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dry heat]

Yo DRY MEAT, you dont need cliff notes, you have the reading comprehension of a PRO, right?! I wasnt comparing watches to rental rates, only comparing how MEXICANS do business. I dont believe the operator is bad at the rental game, they arent bad they are bad people. They purposefully dont tell you about the cheaper rate, why would they?! Its not that they are bad at what they do, its that they dont give a <WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP>! If it's this person's job to get business into the resort they are doing a horrible job and should have been fired. Like I said we went elsewhere because of a $50 difference. Also, if you are educated and I know you are because we've gone back and forth these past couple of days you would know that a CONDO isnt going to rent out for $10/night. $100/night yes but $10 come on, now you're making this a joke. Im well aware of the reason why LP implemented a wristband policy, because for a while like you said the LOCALS were using the pool like it was the SUNNYSLOPE CITY OF PHX POOL. I understand this but what I dont understand and this has nothing to do with race but simply THE TRUTH, IM WHITE AND A TOURIST AND I HAVE MONEY (well... at least thats what the RP cops think every time they stop me) THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND. Kicking locals out because they are DEGENERATING isnt the same as telling me to leave when Im about to DROP $50 at the swim up bar! You took what I said out of context, I didnt mean they disrespect anyone that has money, as in you with your G WAGON. What I was saying is that they are disrespectful of possible guests or people that are going to spend money at their resort. I know this has nothing to do with LP but the last time we stayed at SONORAN SKY the security was hassling the hell out of us and my buddy and I were talking about it and I was saying could you imagine that happening at the KIERLAND RESORT OR DESERT RIDGE OR THE POINT TAPATIO CLIFFS OR ANY OTHER RESORT HOTEL IN AMERICA. When I was younger I was a bellman at EMBASSY SUITES PV, and the one thing I learned about the HOTEL RESORT INDUSTRY, the GUEST IS ALWAYS RIGHT. You would never get asked what room or what floor you were staying on IN AMERICA, the HOTEL OR RESORT DOESNT ALIENATE GUESTS OR POTENTIAL GUESTS LIKE THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happens a lot in RP though, why? Because LOCALS WERE USING THE POOLS????????? IM WHITE AND I HAVE MONEY TO SPEND, tell the LOCALS TO GO HOME AND TURN TO ME AND SAY WHAT CAN I GET FOR YOU SIR?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I absolutely agree that the current operator has had a problem with advertising a lower rate or selling a lower rate. If one goes to the internet or walks up to the resort, they will pay a different rate than if they called the resort and/or rented via an owner approved rate. Hopefully this will be fixed soon. My point about a $10 per night rental was exaggerated, however before the rental rules where enforced prices had been driven down to $50 per night for a 1 bedroom and $75 per night for a 2 bedroom. The operator was getting complaints from fellow rental owners and even other resorts because some owners where driving down the market rate for their own individual gain. I too agree that certain decision can be made subjectively by security when it comes to people entering the grounds, hopefully this will be something that will be improved in the near future with proper security training (unfortunately right now so many other issues are on the plate that need attention in order to improve the overal package- including the for profit areas).

 

[jerry]

If i owned and seldom rented or loaned out my place i think i would like the wrist band system.It seems the resort management company could take a smaller piece of the rent...maybe 25 per cent and this would get the owner more money.

 

[rockyptjoe]

I absolutely agree that the current operator has had a problem with advertising a lower rate or selling a lower rate. If one goes to the internet or walks up to the resort, they will pay a different rate than if they called the resort and/or rented via an owner approved rate. Hopefully this will be fixed soon. My point about a $10 per night rental was exaggerated, however before the rental rules where enforced prices had been driven down to $50 per night for a 1 bedroom and $75 per night for a 2 bedroom. The operator was getting complaints from fellow rental owners and even other resorts because some owners where driving down the market rate for their own individual gain. I too agree that certain decision can be made subjectively by security when it comes to people entering the grounds, hopefully this will be something that will be improved in the near future with proper security training (unfortunately right now so many other issues are on the plate that need attention in order to improve the overal package- including the for profit areas).

Is it just possible that these owners were fed up with not getting paid AT ALL for the days their units were rented out....and when they were paid (ha ha ha), that is all they were clearing after the rental agent took his CUT (what is is at Palomas....30%....35%????).

Complaints from other "resorts" should have no play in the discussion.....it's called supply and demand.....

I also have no problem with a wristband policy to identify owners/guests versus other riff-raff (like Mexico Joe....:rofl....my beef in a previous thread was that it was costing money for guests to get those wristbands.....supposedly to cover the "wear and tear" on the resort.....when this should be covered in the HOA fees (which I've heard are some of the highest in Penasco...but I could be wrong on that)....more money that was going into the rental agents pocket (???) without the owners seeing anything for it.

 

[curiousgeorge]

I also have no problem with a wristband policy to identify owners/guests versus other riff-raff (like Mexico Joe....:rofl....my beef in a previous thread was that it was costing money for guests to get those wristbands.....supposedly to cover the "wear and tear" on the resort.....when this should be covered in the HOA fees (which I've heard are some of the highest in Penasco...but I could be wrong on that)....more money that was going into the rental agents pocket (???) without the owners seeing anything for it.

The fact that some people used the pools at LP was used as a smokescreen to implement a wristband policy to stop owners from renting outside WWG. The reason money is charged is to make it harder for anyone to make a profit by charging a lower rate than the resort. This money is supposed to go to the HOA but of course that has not happened.