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Mexico Joe

Mexico Joe

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Lol Where is the dislike hyperlink? " I heard it was packed again this weekend (at least at Flavios)! This is a joke right?
 
mexicoruss

mexicoruss

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It is very ver packed again this weekend Maya is reporting 100% and it is looking full all along Sandy Beach and there are a lot of quads running around in the desert. A lot of families here its very good.
 
Mexico Joe

Mexico Joe

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Occupancy rates have nothing to do with anything anymore. I got into an heated discussion with someone on the forum about domestic tourism and the lack of money spent by that kind of tourism. Well... its seems that its a mix of domestic tourism and POCHO tourism now! All I kept hearing before July 4th weekend was that OCCUPANCY WAS VERY HIGH and that apprx. 35,000 visitors were expected. That seems promising until you realize its all pochos from El Centro, Calexico, The Inland Empire, San Diego, and Texas. Rocky Point is being overrun by pocho tourism. Yea occupancy rates might be high but these people arent spending money elsewhere. This was exactly one of my points in a previous discussion about spring break vs. semana santa. The conversation mainly centered around the Malecon not being ready for Spring Break but it was going to be ready for Semana Santa. Someone was reassuring me that it wasnt really that important because domestic tourism and Semana Santa bring in so much money to the city. Well... someone that I wont mention that happens to work in A VERY POPULAR ESTABLISHMENT IN THE MALECON told me that YES there was a lot of people for Semana Santa and NO they didnt spend any money abroad! Going back to July 4th, yes it seemed town was rather full. I saw a record number of California plates and a few Texas as well, however every night we went out, no Americans. Pochos are Americans but they dont go out and spend money. They sleep 10 people in a 3 bed/ 3 bath condo and drink endless coolers of Budlight purchased in America, eat food they bring. Occupancy rates mean nothing to me anymore and its not a selling point on how well business is doing in RP. If it was an accurate measurement of success of business then why is Manny's closing, baja, nobody at Pink Caddy. Elixr is down to one night a week now, and Gua Guas might be the only place to grab a drink after midnight besides Wrecked at the Reef. I personally witnessed the ghost town effect during the night in RP over the JUly 4th weekend and I have vivid memories of the hay day so nobody is going to try and sell me a bs story about how RP is busy or crowded on some off weekend in July, SORRY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Yea there might be people in the hotels and resorts but its a far cry from where RP used to be and IM SURE WHERE business owners of RP WANT TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
rockyptjoe

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Mexico Joe...am I agreeing with you??? OMG!

I remember about 3 years ago (maybe less)....when the swine flu hit. Friends owned a bar on the Mirador....I spent a lot of time in the evenings there with my daughter....late Firday/Sat. nights, you could not move on the Mirador...it was wall to wall parked cars and people walking in the street....but....there was almost no one in the bars....everyone brought their own "drinks"....and they were drinking in the streets out of their vehicles.....the only time they came into the bar was to use the restroom.....so...was the traffic/"occupancy" on the the Mirador an indication of the business my friends had? Hell no! BTW, they are no longer in business in Penasco!

And the sleeping 10 in a 3BR condo....I posted somethning along that vein on here ....and someone from Las Palomas (of all places) came on here and said....OH NO...that doesn't happen there!:eek:strich::rofl:
 
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MIRAMAR

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Even if that's true with those people not spending $ in town (which didn't sound true because someone in my family said Flavios was packed during the week), you still need cleaning people, gardeners, Banana boat operators, ATV rentals, etc. We visited the Mayan last weekend, and like I said it was PACKED with people. Probably many of them won't go to town, but the Mayan definitely needed workers to support these people, and I would guess that's true at the Sandy Beach resorts. The restaurant at the Mayan was full, and the cook at the Shrimp Bar was extremely busy- I asked him where he was originally from and he said Penasco. I took pictures of the Grand Mayan being built (I'll try to post later), and yes, they are still working on that complex, with many workers, as well as Mayan Lakes and Central Park. Every day, I see the buses of workers coming from Penasco out to the Mayan for work. So people who live in town are benefiting, it just may be a different mix. We went to Thrifty Ice Cream in Old Port across from the church and Combo Taco (I agree not high end), and it was full with Americans and Mexicans. Someone recently posted a video of the IceBar , and it and it was crowded- don't know if it was all people from Penasco or visitors, but obviously they're benefiting, as well as the beer distributors, Coke bottling facility, etc. Read reviews for restaurants on Trip Advisor. Yes, right at the top is a State Department Travel Advisory (which probably is scaring out of state people), but there are people from outside of Arizona visiting restaurants. Slowly, as people get comfortable coming to Penasco, they'll get outside of their shells, and hopefully we'll all be pushing each other at the Malecon for tacky T-shirts or jewelry. Until then, I believe the people of Penasco and the town itself are benefiting from 100% occupancy.
 
mexicoruss

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Miramar, good post. OK so the visitors here now filling the rooms aren't spending a ton of money eating out or drinking expensive beers but they are coming and they are spending money. I dont like nor do I agree with the "way it used to be is the touchstone" It is what it is now! It is better than it was last year for sure. I dont feel we need the "all or nothing" theory. The businesses that adapt to the way it is now will survive. Manny's is not closing, instead it is thriving, not on NOB drinkers but with boxing and other events that draws shall I say "local pesos"? Money is money, business is business. When the economy in the USA gets better............then they stop bashing Mexico..........then people will stray a bit further from their comfort zone.....then we will see more NOB drinkers here. Slow and long and patient process it took 40 years for Rocky Point to be crowded and overbuilt it took 1 year to crash and burn and it will take decades for it to get back there again, enjoy the ride.
 
rockyptjoe

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Whether it's good or bad for the economy I don't think was the point of Mexico Joe's post.....the way I read it, there is a lot of "rah rah" going on based on high occupancy rates at the hotels and condos. It just does not translate sufficiently to improvement in the economy in Penasco, for the people of Penasco, based on the type of customers and how they spend their money. JJ's has closed a couple of days a week.....unheard of! Balboa's Restaurant has closed. Everytime I've gone by the CamelToe (yeah, i know that it has a different name)...I haven't seen anyone in there. As for Mannys and the customers packing the place....you don't make any money on a few beers, and that's the type of business that you get from that type of customer. The titty bars have closed...because the "locals", or other Mexican customers buy one beer, and sit there for an hour nursing it. No profit....(and I won't even address the business the girls DON'T get in the back rooms...of which the establishment takes a cut)! Another establishment I know of on the Malecon has closed for an entire month. The people that have increased the occupancy rates are bringing in the food and drinks from either the states, or are buying at the distributors for the beers or markets for the food. Those places have not increased their staff. Where is the trickle down from that? How many of the condos have increased their staff, including the cleaning crews, with this increased occupancy? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they are working the existing staff a lot harder! As for the Mayan, someone I know recently lost her job out there. Yeah...the visitors are renting atv's...but other then the $$ spent on gas...and the few people employed renting them out...where is that money going? You can't tell me that the vendors running the atv's are also the owners! We all know what some of those units run....and I'm seeing many brand spanking new units lined up for rental.....many are in the $15K USD per.....and I can just imagine what they run in Mexico!

When you have an economy based on tourism....the true trickle down effect comes when you have people spending $$ in the bars and restaurants.....and the workers there actually making some real money...which they then spend locally. Not from the salaries of the maids, gardeners, etc. at the condos....especially when they don't hire more people. There is no real trickle down from the beer distributorships or the the Super Lye/Bodegas.

So please.....stop with the "rah rah" stuff....yes, more people are coming down to Penasco....but it has a long way to go to get back to a viable economy! I really hope it does!

BTW....what happened to the shopping mall over by the harbor....they were going around the clock with construction...but from the last couple of times I've been down recently...it looks like it's come to a screeching halt!
 
playaperro

playaperro

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Pretty sure a national with a family not going to run down to a bar when he get down or up to penasco! Most families will spend the day at the beach, spend their
money on what they can afford, They will cook their own food and have a good time mixing things up getting the whole family together.

A pocho is a mexican-american that speaks very little or broken spanish, discolored, what they call in the usa a coconut.

Joe i don't think u ever been to guau guau's, u can't even spell the name right!

Thumbs up Miramar Thumbs down Joe's
 
rockyptjoe

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playaperro said:
Pretty sure a national with a family not going to run down to a bar when he get down or up to penasco! Most families will spend the day at the beach, spend their
money on what they can afford, They will cook their own food and have a good time mixing things up getting the whole family together.

A pocho is a mexican-american that speaks very little or broken spanish, discolored, what they call in the usa a coconut.

Joe i don't think u ever been to guau guau's, u can't even spell the name right!

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Playa...I don't know which "Joe" you were responding to...but you always try to make things "personal" on here....you just love pissing contests!

From reading many of your posts on here....I would not comment on anybody else's spelling (or grammar)! Actually, after you came back from your recent "time out", I was wondering what you were smoking or drinking!
 
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MIRAMAR

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OK, Manny's has closed temporarily, but like I said Flavios was packed. Manny's was dependent on the trailers and Spring Break, and since the trailer parks closed up, it's been hard for them. I wish they would open the Tequila Factory at Manny's in the Mirador- you would get a two fer: the view of the ocean w/ tasting tequila. Now that restaurants and bars have opened along Sandy Beach, I think people feel more comfortable traveling less, using Sandy Beach restaurants and bars, and staying close to their condos. But my point was even in the "heyday", the town was empty during July and August, and now some places are full.

Like I said in a previous post, about 90% of the cars in the Mayan lot (which was overflowing) were from California, and from talking to several of the people, some are now using the Coastal Highway and telling their friends it's only 4.5 hours from San Diego (according to one person I spoke to). Here's a review from a few weeks ago (yes, I picked this one out from several to make a point that people staying at the Mayan are going to town, eating, shopping, and taking cruises). Even if they're just staying at the resort, it requires workers to support that level of activity. Even if it's just one person, word will get around, and hopefully things will (are) improve (improving).

"This was our third stay at the Mayan Palace Puerto Penasco (now called Mayan Palace La Jolla de Cortes) and our family loved it as much this third time as we did during our first two trips.

One of the things we like best is that the resort is within easy driving distance of our home in Los Angeles. Its close proximity allows us to take our family of four on a fancy vacation without incurring high airfare costs. WE LOVE THAT! The drive is about an hour from the Arizona border and the roads are all well-marked, paved, and -- most importantly! -- safe.

As for the Mayan Palace itself, the facilities are clean and top-notch. The staff is helpful and courteous, and the wide-open beach is just gorgeous.

The resort has two pools--one luxurious outdoor pool, and one beautiful indoor pool (which is perfect for hot summer days or cool winter eves). There are two lighted tennis courts, a Jack Nicklaus signature golf course, a state-of-the art Spa, a game room, Internet room, and two terrific onsite restaurants both of which are very reasonably priced for a resort.

On a couple of occasions, we ordered room service which was surprisingly good and inexpensive. We also went into town one day for some authentic Mexican "flavor" and a sunset cruise."
 
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rockyptjoe

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Miramar....look at the last line of your post. I know a couple people who own at the Mayan (timeshare)...and when they get there, they hunker down at the resort, and maybe leave once to go into town during their entire stay. That doesn't d anything for the economy of Penasco.....

BTW....something I didn't mention in the previous post....tipping by Mexicans versus gringos....do mexicans even understand the concept of tipping? And I won't even go there with the "pochos" mentioned by someone else. The people working in the restaurants and bars depend on tips for a living.....and even if the Mexicans or "pochos" come in....they don't tip!

Yes....the closing of the rv parks hurt Manny's...and the opening of all the other places along Sandy Beach. Putting the Tequila Factory on the beach would probably kill that too....it would be out of sight...out of mind! I like being able to do some tequila tasting in an airconditioned place during the warmer months....don't recall if Manny's Cantina has air in any of the indoor places.
 
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MIRAMAR

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My point is the Mayan (and most other places in town) used to be DEAD in July/August (even back in 2004-2007), and now it (Mayan) is full. People who stay there may/may not go into town every day, but some do go into town, which benefits places like Flavios. It also takes workers at the resort who get paid. I see the buses going from town to the Mayan full of workers many times during the day and night. I realize things aren't as hopping as they used to be, but places are MUCH busier than they were last year, and busier for July and August even during the "heyday". I wish I could post the pictures of the Grand Mayan being built- Daniel Chavez is plugging away at that, along with a condo that he just completed to the west of the Mayan. People are working on those projects, and when complete they are going to need employees, which benefits Penasco. As for Porto Mio, I drove past it in the beginning of June, and there were people working on it- not many, but I did see progress. It seems that is being completed on a Mexican schedule!
 
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rockyptjoe said:
Mexico Joe...am I agreeing with you??? OMG!

IAnd the sleeping 10 in a 3BR condo....I posted somethning along that vein on here ....and someone from Las Palomas (of all places) came on here and said....OH NO...that doesn't happen there!:eek:strich::rofl:
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That was me you are referring to. And no, I didn't say it didn't happen, I said you CAN sleep 10 in a 3br condo. Each condo - regardless of the development (Sonorans, Las Palomas, Princessa, etc.) has it's occupany limits. Why can't you sleep 10 in a 3br condo? If I had a big family I'd do the same thing!

I also think it's unneccessary to call people "pochos". Technically a "pocho" is a term that means Mexican Americans who lack fluency in Spanish. From what I've seen, most of the Mexican Americans who were down in RP over the 4th did speak Spanish. I saw lots of them speaking Spanish not only to beach vendors, but to each other.

I don't think anybody is saying that RP is back to where it was in its heyday, but things are getting better.
 
mexicoruss

mexicoruss

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No Rah rah here Joe, just saying its better now than last year and it will take a long time to eat up the capacity which came with the boom. Penasco has too many restaurants and clubs for the size crowd it is currently drawing. I cannot accept your attitude that its all bad because the bars aren't busy, that is not a true indicator except for the bar owners. I live here all the time, and I drink, but I don't go do the bar circuit everyday, that doesn't mean I am not spending money because I am. This is a period of restructuring to a new economy. This thing is not going to be over anytime soon. Adapt is the word of the day. I think its fine that JJ's is closed 2 days a week, it makes financial sense right now. I will say that I have never been as busy as I am right now in the tour business and other enterprises that certainly do have a trickle down effect.
 
mexicoruss

mexicoruss

Lovin it in RP!
GringoZona said:
You meant to say Manny's has closed temporarily in the PAST, right? As in, over the recent winter, but is still open on most days since they reopened in March of this year?
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Manny's is open and he is spending money on promotions so I am not sure what the other comment was about
 
rockyptjoe

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mis2810 said:
That was me you are referring to. And no, I didn't say it didn't happen, I said you CAN sleep 10 in a 3br condo. Each condo - regardless of the development (Sonorans, Las Palomas, Princessa, etc.) has it's occupany limits. Why can't you sleep 10 in a 3br condo? If I had a big family I'd do the same thing!

I also think it's unneccessary to call people "pochos". Technically a "pocho" is a term that means Mexican Americans who lack fluency in Spanish. From what I've seen, most of the Mexican Americans who were down in RP over the 4th did speak Spanish. I saw lots of them speaking Spanish not only to beach vendors, but to each other.

I don't think anybody is saying that RP is back to where it was in its heyday, but things are getting better.
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I'm not the one who brought up the term pocho.....

I've seen 8-10 (or more) people staying in 2 BR condos (not Palomas, since I have never stayed there).....but I also wouldn't want to spend a vacation with that many people in the same condo...even if it's permitted.....

Maybe it's getting better with the number of visitors....but I don't know if it's getting better economically...and the money being spent in town for goods and services (other than lodging and atv rentals)!
 
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