Las Palomas update?

[Dr Howard]

You failed to address my question, Dry Heave......I am not sure where & how this 6 DAY Max (guest of owner) mandate came to be??? Again I do understand that we r in this mess together but one CANNOT or should not be changing the rules without proper voting.....

 

[dry heat]

You failed to address my question, Dry Heave......I am not sure where & how this 6 DAY Max (guest of owner) mandate came to be??? Again I do understand that we r in this mess together but one CANNOT or should not be changing the rules without proper voting.....

Like I said, some things can be changed, altered, removed with a vote other's don't require a vote. For further clarification regarding restrictions I suggest you contact the entity that established the restriction. I would also suggest you read the HOA bylaws (newest ones) and the rental operator contract for what can and can't be done. I don't speak for the resort, thus I would rather have you research your specific questions and/or concerns with the proper channel.

 

[ernesto]

So my parents want to stay in my home there that I paid for(completely i might add you smug mutha). But they want to arrive on a Friday and leave on the following Saturday. You and the other buffoons call this an illegal rental.Or more precisely an "overstay" and want to charge me for my parents staying in my home. And the other resorts do this too? I don't think so. You got an uprising on your hands here Ghadafi.The sooner you realize it the sooner you relenquish the driver's seat.
Lead, follow or GET THE F OUT OF THE WAY!
Are those of you that weren't foolish enough to buy there in complete disbelief? The only ones more arrogant than WWG are these cocky Americans with the bullshit story.

 

[curiousgeorge]

Like I said, some things can be changed, altered, removed with a vote other's don't require a vote. For further clarification regarding restrictions I suggest you contact the entity that established the restriction. I would also suggest you read the HOA bylaws (newest ones) and the rental operator contract for what can and can't be done. I don't speak for the resort, thus I would rather have you research your specific questions and/or concerns with the proper channel.

Here is the problem for every owner in the rental pool. If you don't like the rules of the single operator, you have no other option because the HOA will come down on you hard for renting on your own. What if WWG decides to raise the rates to 50/60/70% of income? What if they decide to eliminate all Guest of owners and turn your unit into a hotel room?

The only protection you have is the SC and the TC, and they have proven they are not interested in your view, otherwise they would have held votes and considered these changes out in the open. Instead they will bend and use the rules ensure that you have no other options than WWG or their next handpicked operator. Dryheat is right...the only answer is to get owners involved on the SC/TC committees who are concerned with not infringing on owners rights. We have been infringed on enough with the lack of rental payments and increasing HOA debt.

 

[ernesto]

They got a house of cards there and it is not sustainable in it's present form. The worst thing we could allow is what is happening now.
A group of self serving Gringos and WWG colluding and destroying values, image, and ultimately our resort.

 

[ernesto]

Here is the problem for every owner in the rental pool. If you don't like the rules of the single operator, you have no other option because the HOA will come down on you hard for renting on your own. What if WWG decides to raise the rates to 50/60/70% of income? What if they decide to eliminate all Guest of owners and turn your unit into a hotel room?

The only protection you have is the SC and the TC, and they have proven they are not interested in your view, otherwise they would have held votes and considered these changes out in the open. Instead they will bend and use the rules ensure that you have no other options than WWG or their next handpicked operator. Dryheat is right...the only answer is to get owners involved on the SC/TC committees who are concerned with not infringing on owners rights. We have been infringed on enough with the lack of rental payments and increasing HOA debt.[/QUrOTE]
Liked your post Tom except the part about Dry being right. This guy is one of them.

 

[dry heat]

So my parents want to stay in my home there that I paid for(completely i might add you smug mutha). But they want to arrive on a Friday and leave on the following Saturday. You and the other buffoons call this an illegal rental.Or more precisely an "overstay" and want to charge me for my parents staying in my home. And the other resorts do this too? I don't think so. You got an uprising on your hands here Ghadafi.The sooner you realize it the sooner you relenquish the driver's seat.
Lead, follow or GET THE F OUT OF THE WAY!
Are those of you that weren't foolish enough to buy there in complete disbelief? The only ones more arrogant than WWG are these cocky Americans with the bullshit story.

I am going to help you use common sense and achieve a realized goal instead of beating your head against the wall and achieving no success... contact the general manager of the resort and let him know the unique situation, provide him all the details regarding your parents visit (ex. full name, dates of stay, relationship, address, etc). Simple and an effective way to achieve results for your unique situation of having a guest of owner stay 8 consecutive nights. best

 

[ernesto]

Ah so they don't apply the rules equally to all.Condescending jerk.

 

[curiousgeorge]

So my parents want to stay in my home there that I paid for(completely i might add you smug mutha). But they want to arrive on a Friday and leave on the following Saturday.

They would not believe this story in the Twilight Zone. WWG now want you to pay them 35% to use you own unit if a guest stays 7 nights! Last year they stopped paying you and kept all the money for guests that stay in your condo. They stopped paying their HOA fees years ago.

The takeover of your condo into a Hotel room is almost complete.

 

[ernesto]

Right on George! Power to the people.

 

[curiousgeorge]

Ah so they don't apply the rules equally to all.Condescending jerk.

Didn't you know that there are exceptions for everything at LP.

No worries that you need to jump through hoops and explain yourself to a stranger who rarely even answers the phone.

We are the owners. Since when do I need permission from WWG to use my own condo?

 

[dry heat]

Here is the problem for every owner in the rental pool. If you don't like the rules of the single operator, you have no other option because the HOA will come down on you hard for renting on your own. What if WWG decides to raise the rates to 50/60/70% of income? What if they decide to eliminate all Guest of owners and turn your unit into a hotel room?

The only protection you have is the SC and the TC, and they have proven they are not interested in your view, otherwise they would have held votes and considered these changes out in the open. Instead they will bend and use the rules ensure that you have no other options than WWG or their next handpicked operator. Dryheat is right...the only answer is to get owners involved on the SC/TC committees who are concerned with not infringing on owners rights. We have been infringed on enough with the lack of rental payments and increasing HOA debt.

Read the bylaws/regulations of the rental operator and HOA to find out what the responsability of each of these committee's involves. then you can post exactly what the description is for each of these groups here on this forum so that you can educate us. You clearly have no idea what is involved in replacing an operator (again read your bylaws to find out). A single operator is the same in every other resort so your example of an operator raising their fee 50/60/70 of income can technically happen anywhere that only allows one rental operator. Suggestion is to purchase a private residence in a community that is not governed by an association (yes the laws of a mexican association are very different from the laws of an american association- mexican bylaws give the administrator greater control).

You sound like a broken record, how many times has it been posted that current negotiations are going on that will cover debt owed to various entities. In the meantime, at least rental income is being paid for current and future reservations. You are absolutely right, we have been infringed long enough, thus the reason why we are looking to a new rental operator and administrator along with resolving the past debt owed. I don't understand why you are having a hard time reading this statement that has been repeated over and over and over again.

 

[ernesto]

Oh screw you and your bylaws,you've got a broken down bus without a wheel! You cannot enforce a contract unless it's done bilaterally.

 

[dry heat]

Ah so they don't apply the rules equally to all.Condescending jerk.

no dummy, it's like dealing with the IRS, a business, a lender etc. if you have a unique situation you just need to provide details to the person or entity that controls the outcome. Maybe an allowance will be made for your situation, maybe not.

 

[dry heat]

Didn't you know that there are exceptions for everything at LP.

No worries that you need to jump through hoops and explain yourself to a stranger who rarely even answers the phone.

We are the owners. Since when do I need permission from WWG to use my own condo?

Because you are not in the US and you purchased in a different country with different laws for HOA's, rental operators, developers, etc. Should have done your due dilligence and not just rushed to buy something. Saying "we are the owners" is a joke. Find out 1st what you can and can't do. If the developer wanted to be a prick they could tell everyone not to drive on their road (yes because the road leading up to the resort is on private property. Complicated issues are beyond the scope of some. I suggest you let the unit go back to the bank since it is becoming too much for you.

 

[curiousgeorge]

Read the bylaws/regulations of the rental operator and HOA to find out what the responsability of each of these committee's involves. then you can post exactly what the description is for each of these groups here on this forum so that you can educate us. You clearly have no idea what is involved in replacing an operator (again read your bylaws to find out). A single operator is the same in every other resort so your example of an operator raising their fee 50/60/70 of income can technically happen anywhere that only allows one rental operator. Suggestion is to purchase a private residence in a community that is not governed by an association (yes the laws of a mexican association are very different from the laws of an american association- mexican bylaws give the administrator greater control).

You sound like a broken record, how many times has it been posted that current negotiations are going on that will cover debt owed to various entities. In the meantime, at least rental income is being paid for current and future reservations. You are absolutely right, we have been infringed long enough, thus the reason why we are looking to a new rental operator and administrator along with resolving the past debt owed. I don't understand why you are having a hard time reading this statement that has been repeated over and over and over again.

The broken record is you.

You act like you are in denial that a small group of owners continues to break and bend the rules to meet their own agenda. I am not complaining about the Operator, I am complaining about the SC/TC. In other resorts, a small group of owners would not lead the charge to turn their resort into a Hotel in response to the issue at hand. A riot would ensue if you told owners they could not use their own PURCHASED property. You can tell us all to talk to the operator, but don't mislead anyone.....these latest infringement on owners was lead by a small group of owners.

WWG is not the problem here. It is you.

 

[dry heat]

They got a house of cards there and it is not sustainable in it's present form. The worst thing we could allow is what is happening now.
A group of self serving Gringos and WWG colluding and destroying values, image, and ultimately our resort.

Another blah blah whine whine session. Yawn. lots of talk produces no action. But I guess it's something for you to do.

 

[curiousgeorge]

Because you are not in the US and you purchased in a different country with different laws for HOA's, rental operators, developers, etc. Should have done your due dilligence and not just rushed to buy something. Saying "we are the owners" is a joke. Find out 1st what you can and can't do. If the developer wanted to be a prick they could tell everyone not to drive on their road (yes because the road leading up to the resort is on private property. Complicated issues are beyond the scope of some. I suggest you let the unit go back to the bank since it is becoming too much for you.

Man up and take responsibility. It is not the developer leading this.

 

[dry heat]

Oh screw you and your bylaws,you've got a broken down bus without a wheel! You cannot enforce a contract unless it's done bilaterally.

Sure, just say that to the HOA and the rental operator and see what can be done in Mexico and see how they can do it. I would suggest you contact an attorney in mexico and learn about mexican law. sorry we are in a different turf with different rules. best of luck.

 

[dry heat]

The broken record is you.

You act like you are in denial that a small group of owners continues to break and bend the rules to meet their own agenda. I am not complaining about the Operator, I am complaining about the SC/TC. In other resorts, a small group of owners would not lead the charge to turn their resort into a Hotel in response to the issue at hand. A riot would ensue if you told owners they could not use their own PURCHASED property. You can tell us all to talk to the operator, but don't mislead anyone.....these latest infringement on owners was lead by a small group of owners.

WWG is not the problem here. It is you.

My poor lost soul. read what the TC/SC can do 1st and let us know what it says in the mexican bylaws for these two groups.
My guess is the Operator being cut away from 2m+ in lost rental income over the last 4 years due to owners renting outside of their contact would play a key in the latest enforcement. If you want to think that the problem is owners and not WWG, then I am really working with an idiot. In any case, go ahead and continue with me, I am sure it will get a lot accomplished for you.