El Homeport(the fish rots from the head)Penasco Digital report

jerry

jerry

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  • If they don't get to 16 m depth new large cruise ships can't safely dock
  • Cruise ship companies are here to make money for themselves not the host city
  • They only use a port if they can make more money in that port than by being at sea
  • They encourageGovernments to gamble on constructing port infrastructure for their ships, at no cost to the cruise company, on the promise of 'build it and we will consider using it.'
  • They encourage cities to construct cruise ports in close proximity to one another so they can play one port off against another for port charge discounts and free services ." also gets all the stocking the ship money
  • Several ports constructed close to one another on the eastern seaboard of USA have never - yes never – had a cruise ship visit them, yet those cities are still paying off their port construction debt e.g. Houston, Texas
  • How much income a port generates from cruise visits depends largely on where the port falls within the itinerary e.g Newcastle, Australia receives little/no income if it is the first port of call on the itinerary after the ship leaves Sydney because passengers are reluctant to spend onshore early in their trip.
  • Hence negotiation for a CST requires deep knowledge of the industry and verifiable research into costs, income, risks and benefits and operational matters e.g Home (base) Port versus Visiting (port of call) Port.
  • All of the main Cruise Companies use foreign flagged vessels with laws pertaining to those regions only i.e. they do not pay taxes in the countries they visit nor do they adhere to any local labour protection laws.
  • 'Light skinned employees generally earn more than darker-skinned employees'.
  • Most ships use low grade bunker fuel with up to 300 times the sulphur content emitted in ports outside of the few regulated ones (California)
  • Greywater can legally be dumped in any port around the world - each passenger creates 300 litres of greywater per day and this discharge can be as harmful as raw sewage to fish species and reefs.
  • The amount of money spent in a port is a totally distorted by cruise companies e.g. claims of '$1m walking off a cruise ship' every time it pulls into port is totally unsubstantiated by any factual evidence.
  • Cruise companies collect 50-70% commission from land-based tours/excursions and activities and financially penalise land-based tour companies heavily if they a customer complains and/or requests a refund.
  • Hence a passenger paying $100 for a tour – only $40 may go to the tour operator and the rest is paid as a 'commission' to the Cruise Company.
  • Due diligence requires a '360 degree view' of the issues related to hosting cruise ships not just the PR-friendly arguments of a cruise company or the spin of a development consortium using a cruise ship terminal (cst) as their means to acquire public parks and waterways for private/commercial casino, hotel, apartment, marina, highrise constructions.
 
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jerry said:
  • If they don't get to 16 m depth new large cruise ships can't safely dock
  • Cruise ship companies are here to make money for themselves not the host city
  • They only use a port if they can make more money in that port than by being at sea
  • They encourageGovernments to gamble on constructing port infrastructure for their ships, at no cost to the cruise company, on the promise of 'build it and we will consider using it.'
  • They encourage cities to construct cruise ports in close proximity to one another so they can play one port off against another for port charge discounts and free services ." also gets all the stocking the ship money
  • Several ports constructed close to one another on the eastern seaboard of USA have never - yes never – had a cruise ship visit them, yet those cities are still paying off their port construction debt e.g. Houston, Texas
  • How much income a port generates from cruise visits depends largely on where the port falls within the itinerary e.g Newcastle, Australia receives little/no income if it is the first port of call on the itinerary after the ship leaves Sydney because passengers are reluctant to spend onshore early in their trip.
  • Hence negotiation for a CST requires deep knowledge of the industry and verifiable research into costs, income, risks and benefits and operational matters e.g Home (base) Port versus Visiting (port of call) Port.
  • All of the main Cruise Companies use foreign flagged vessels with laws pertaining to those regions only i.e. they do not pay taxes in the countries they visit nor do they adhere to any local labour protection laws.
  • 'Light skinned employees generally earn more than darker-skinned employees'.
  • Most ships use low grade bunker fuel with up to 300 times the sulphur content emitted in ports outside of the few regulated ones (California)
  • Greywater can legally be dumped in any port around the world - each passenger creates 300 litres of greywater per day and this discharge can be as harmful as raw sewage to fish species and reefs.
  • The amount of money spent in a port is a totally distorted by cruise companies e.g. claims of '$1m walking off a cruise ship' every time it pulls into port is totally unsubstantiated by any factual evidence.
  • Cruise companies collect 50-70% commission from land-based tours/excursions and activities and financially penalise land-based tour companies heavily if they a customer complains and/or requests a refund.
  • Hence a passenger paying $100 for a tour – only $40 may go to the tour operator and the rest is paid as a 'commission' to the Cruise Company.
  • Due diligence requires a '360 degree view' of the issues related to hosting cruise ships not just the PR-friendly arguments of a cruise company or the spin of a development consortium using a cruise ship terminal (cst) as their means to acquire public parks and waterways for private/commercial casino, hotel, apartment, marina, highrise constructions.
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And when we lived on a Caribbean Island the people who provided the ship-sponsored tours made very little money. Most of the payments went to the ship. The 'outings' need to be carefully negotiated with the cruiseline so the people of PP make more of the money.
 
jerry

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Southbeacher said:
You said it would never happen. I'm so shocked . . .
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rome wasn't built in a day ..if the Mexicans were building it it would never have been finished between stealing a third of the money everytime it changes hands and the lack of competent structural engineers.
 
jerry

jerry

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Oh oh......."
By Jose Antonio Perez JoinUs Magazine
Given the importance of Puerto Penasco as a tourist destination, the Government of Sonora will do what is necessary to rescue and further construction on the cruise ship Home Port, reported Ruben Dario Araiza Salazar, Deputy Income Secretary of the State Fiscal Office. Araiza Salazar stated per instruction of Governor Claudia Pavlovich Arellano, they are pursuing important steps in Mexico City with respect to the project.

Clearly, he assured, the intent is to correct anything that may have happened in the past that led to delays in federal public investments so that work on the Home Port may resume fully, and as soon as possible. He underscored this is one of their priorities.

He detailed problems to the project arose from the 2013 period, which were not addressed by the former administration. He noted this similarly occurred with many other projects in the state as well.

The Sonoran Deputy Income Secretary remarked state finances and income were in a state of chaos when the new administration came in. However, they have set to the task of rebuilding and correcting items that were not done appropriately in order to move forward the projects that are a priority for Sonora.

Araiza Salazar stated he is fully aware of the current economic situation in Puerto Penasco and how it has been affected due to dependence on the US economy. With this in mind, he hopes via his role in the State Government to support any infrastructure projects Puerto Penasco may have.

This is precisely the case with the Home Port, he emphasized, as it is a project they will continue to promote, just as many others that are fundamental for Sonora.
 
jerry

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report on the dumbass Homeport:
Buscar...
Sonora government continues with construction of Home Port in Puerto Penasco
Published in March 19, 2016

Without any demarcation of responsibilities to officials who have committed irregularities in the project, the Government of Sonora continues with the construction of the Home Port in Puerto Penasco.
The head of the Commission for Tourism Development, Berumen Antonio Preciado, reported that for the current state administration, the work is very important and should be completed in the new time estimate.
Berumen Preciado said he is working out what best suits the project and the judicial authorities are responsible for resolving administrative violations have been filed.
In fact indicated that the Anti-Corruption Prosecutor already has, since last year, the corresponding record of the Home Port.
The work in Puerto Penasco still detained, especially in relation to the dock by order of a judge while the legal issue between individuals involved, including a contractor awarded and another that he terminated his contract is terminated .
Rating: New
 
Mexico Joe

Mexico Joe

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jerry said:

report on the dumbass Homeport:
Buscar...
Sonora government continues with construction of Home Port in Puerto Penasco
Published in March 19, 2016

Without any demarcation of responsibilities to officials who have committed irregularities in the project, the Government of Sonora continues with the construction of the Home Port in Puerto Penasco.
The head of the Commission for Tourism Development, Berumen Antonio Preciado, reported that for the current state administration, the work is very important and should be completed in the new time estimate.
Berumen Preciado said he is working out what best suits the project and the judicial authorities are responsible for resolving administrative violations have been filed.
In fact indicated that the Anti-Corruption Prosecutor already has, since last year, the corresponding record of the Home Port.
The work in Puerto Penasco still detained, especially in relation to the dock by order of a judge while the legal issue between individuals involved, including a contractor awarded and another that he terminated his contract is terminated .
Rating: New
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What is the new time estimate? I always said this wasnt going to be finished till 2018 and if there is a first ship, it's not going to arrive until 2020. Then Kanye will be president and the world might end.
 
ben21

ben21

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Too bad they didn't use all this money to help preserve the marine life that's left in the Sea of Cortez. It sounds like several species are on borrowed time due to illegal fishing and here they're throwing millions at this ridiculous project.
 
Stuart

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
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And... the links above explain exactly why this project will never happen. 50 million pesos sucked into some politco's personal pocket.
 
jerry

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ernesto said:
Where's my buddy Dryheat to stick up for the integrity of the principals of LP now? Hate to say I told you so but....
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I understand he was pushed off the roof of tower two ...something about a Mexican cop and his red "make America Great Again" baseball hat
 
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