Need help getting Sierra Pinta y Bahia San Jorge Railroad pics from Rocky Point!

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elminero67

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Hello All: I was wondering if someone in Rocky Point or going to Rocky Point could take a few pictures of the abandoned railroad grade east of Rocky Point that ran between Bahia San Jorge and the Sierra Pinta Mine? I need a few pics for a book and ran out of time on my last visit to Sonora. I'm also offering a ONE MILLION PESO (old pesos, I'm a broke college student) REWARD for a historic photograph that railroad! Thanks, Duane
 
Duane... have you looked on YouTube for videos of the trains around Rocky Point??? I do recall seeing some videos of them but I'm not sure if they are what you are looking for... I have a couple of friends that still do a little prospecting around that area and they have asked me to go along because of my interest in metal detecting... maybe I can talk them into taking me out there to get some pictures for you...

ONE MILLION PESOS... mmm... I'm old too, so maybe they'll work for me...
 
Wasn't the exchange back then something like 1000 pesos to a dollar?....Mark, that would be real money for you!!!:rofl:Or was it 1000 old pesos for a new peso??.....still real money!!!
 
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Seadweller: Thanks for the response. I've checked Youtube out of curiosity, but what I'm hoping is good quality recent pics of the railroad grade or remains of the mine and or mill that I can use in a book, so it would be better not to use something off the internet. The narrrow gauge (not the same railroad that currently runs north of Rocky Point) railroad only existed between 1900 to 1912, but only operated a short period of that time and did not leave much of a paper trail...
 
I have talked to several people that told me the tracks used to run to the estuary la Pinta and that a lot of ore would fall off the cars enroute to the estuary and they wanted me to go detecting those tracks with them... are these the tracks you are talking about??? if you send me your phone number in a PM I will call you to discuss this further with you...
 
Wasn't the exchange back then something like 1000 pesos to a dollar?....Mark, that would be real money for you!!!:rofl:Or was it 1000 old pesos for a new peso??.....still real money!!!
Money??? what's that??? I wouldn't know what to do with it if I had any...
 

Roberto

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PC250257..jpgPC250263..jpgPC250256..jpgPC250264..jpgOK Where's the reward? I have more also. BTW the last time I attempted to visit the road was closed by the military. They told us they had a shooting range up there.
 
Cool photos Roberto... did you notice any piles of trailings (discarded rocks and rubble) they are usually good places to search for gold that was passed up by lack of modern technology a.k.a electronic metal detectors... I would love to go search them...

I have had a couple of guys come by to sell me gold that they have found out there... would love to find some for myself...
 

jerry

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Some guys from Santo Tomas have been working a machine out that way.Some weeks they make 2k some weeks 200.The machine cost 5 grand and expenses have eaten up most of the profits.
 
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elminero67

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Thanks for the replys and help: I've spent five years looking for an original photograph of the railroad, including a two month long road trip from Seattle to El Paso and Hermosillo stopping at every museum,library and historical society and have yet to find a single picture of the narrow gauge railroad,but I believe that at least one exist because David Myrick, the author of the "Railroads of Arizona".series wrote saying that he had seen one many years ago. Briefly, the railroad was a 36" gauge line,the same as the railroads in Colorado and had three steam locomotives and 50 cars. The railroad was approximately 16 miles long operating fromthemines to a10 stamp milland ending at San jorge Bay. The railroad was officially called the Ferrocarril Bahia San Jorge y Sierra Pinta, but was sometimes marketted as the San Jorge Bay and Eastern Railroad to American investors, probably because it had more of an American sound to it. The railroad was built by the los Pinitos Mining Co which soon went bankrupt.In 1908 it was purchased at an auction and put back into service for a short time by the Sierra Pinitos Mining Co. By 1914 it was abandoned,and the rails and equipment sent to Sinaloa but likely never reassembled. Ironically, the last picture Roberto posted appears tobe identicalas this photgraph fromthe Arizona state Library:
http://azmemory.lib.az.us/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/histphotos&CISOPTR=14803&CISOBOX=1&REC=5

With yourpermission Roberto, I'd like to Use that picture, I may need a higher DPI for the book. The company also had a company store,a ten stamp mill, a cyanide plant and rock warehouse at San Jorge. I don't know if there are foundations or ruins of any of this.I also don't find out they had a formal dock at San Jorge or not. They owned a steamship that ran from San Jorge to Guyamas,but this sank in1910 which forced the mine to shut down for a while.
 
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elminero67

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I wanted to apologize for the grammar on that post, my keyboard is not working well.
 
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elminero67

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Saedweller: I triedtoopen your pm but cannot check it until I have 5 posts. This is number 5...
 
Not a problem elminero67 I appreciate the brief history of the mine... I find treasure hunting to be very fun and profitable hobby, and your story is a very enjoyable piece of history... I'd be very interested in reading your book when you've completed it... please keep me updated on your progress...
 

Roberto

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I spent 40 minutes writing a description of the mine and some aditional photos but it all got dumped somehow. It's late, I'm tired and I have a really ripe mango waiting for me. Her name is Liza, so I'm off for now, I'll try again later.
 
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elminero67

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A mango named Liza? definitely sounds less dry than an old gold mine!
 

Roberto

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elminero
You may used the photos. I'm not sure what the resolution is. I have a few others also. Send me a PM for details.

There are two references, which you might already have, that might be of interest to your search. One is "A Brief History of Puerto Penasco" by Guillero Munro Palacio, 2007, self published. A magazine really. There are photos of the old mine and some photos of Gillespie, none of a railroad. One old photo shows rails coming out of the shaft for dog carts I would guess. Another book, which I have not yet seen, is 'Gillespie's Gold" by Earl Mac Pherson, 1973 also appears to have been self published. Love to have a copy of that.

The old photos in the Penasco book are owned by Palacio. He may have more.

With reference to Myrick's description of the railroad, I'm quite sure it is not 16 miles from the mine to the sea. I guess one could check on Google Maps. Also, I don't see who they would be marketing it too as it could have only served one small mine, unless it was a scam to get investors. There was an attempt to build a railroad from Ajo to bring copper ore to the sea for shipping which never took off.

Stuart
Yes, was and still is a gold mine. May have been worked by the early Spanish as other mines nearby have been. Owned by a British company around the turn of the century, obtained by Gillespie around 1930 allegedly by paying off a judge! By 1970 Mac Pherson reported that the mine had not been worked in 20 years. Gillespie apparently built the stone hacienda at La PInta which I know you are familiar with. He also put in a well about half way to the mine where he planted an orchard. The water cistern is still there. He is quite the legend, apparently he was well know around Sonoyta. The road past the mine connects to the highway just outside Sonoyta and can be traversed by 4WD.

Sea
There is a lot of rubble all around the area but none that would have obviously fallen off the ore carts. I worked the arroyos with a metal detector down drainage from the mine a bit, intending to work up to the mine. My logic was that natural erosion over eons may have carried nugget bearing rock down the drainage. Last visit I was stopped by the military who told me they had a shooting range in the area and that the mine was being worked and to stay out. That was about 2 years ago. No, I found no gold, just an old piece of barbed wire but I'd still follow up if I could. BTW, I have been told that the owners are increasingly protective of the mine. You can see some buildings off to the NE and I was concerned that anyone there could view vehicles coming into the mine.

There is an interesting old 50's Studebacker President shell along the road with racing stickers on it !! My son swiped the emergency brake handle out of it!

Here's my fav shot of the area. It's my screensaver.


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Stuart

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Thanks, Roberto! Do you have rough GPS coordinates for the area? I'd like to explore this a bit more; take some pictures. Granted, I may be turned back by the military, but I'm just a dumb gringo with a camera in that event. I was looking closely at Google maps. Is the old mine in the peak I highlighted in red? There seems to be a road that runs directly across from the La Pinta turn off that heads back to this area. If not, roughly where is it in relation to the picture I posted.

Now would be the time of year to explore, before it gets too hot!
Thanks!
 

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All good info Roberto: I'll see if I can dig up a copy of "Gillispie's Gold". I was wondering about the 16 mile claim, even if it were 16km it would seem like a stretch, as on the map it looks closer to 6 or 7miles, but that is what the SCOP (Sociedad de Communicaciones y Obras Publicas iirc)listed it as. San Jorge Bay was the alledged destination of at least 6 proposed railroads. The first one sent out four surveyors to scout a route between San Jorge and Yuma in 1899. They became lost and their bodies never found. The one from Ajo was the Tucson,Cornelia and Gila Bend Railroad operated by a man named Greenway or Greenbeck. Another one from Ajo was backed by by Dr Ricketts, a well known mining engineer from Cananea and Nacozari. Another came from Silver Bell north of Tucson. Colonel Greene of Cananea actually had a concession to build to San Jorge, but he was overextended and this never materialized. Another one came from Tucson, I believe the promoters of this one renamed Bahia San jorge "Thousand Ships Bay" ontheir maps to make it more appealing. The Sierra Pinta line that was built had a concession to build past the mine towards the border, several newspaper accounts indicate that they started laying track towards Quitovac, Don't know if they actually did though
 
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elminero67

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Roberto:I just ordered a copy of Gillespies gold-if youd like I can make a copy for you
 
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