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Very good point, playa. However most modern day courses in the south and southwest have a Bermuda grass that can withstand the summer heat and humidity.

In the fall it goes dormant and turns brown. In the early fall those courses "over-seed" with a Rye grass that will live all winter and stay green if watered. I actually
believe it would grow on cement if watered.

They eventually let it die and the warmer weather brings back the dormant bermuda.

It appears Las Palomas either didn't plant rye or if they did, they didn't water. RP Joe is right. If the course is trimed and kept reasonably manicured, it is playable
but not very asthetic to the picky picky golfer. There are other more technical reasons to prefer growing grass, but for most it's how it looks.

Thanls for the info folks, as always the forum is willing to help.
I would think they didn't plant the rye...since the course/ground seemed very "moist" from all the rains the past couple of months. Didn't one of the resorts advertise that they used some type of grass that would utilize salt water?
 

GV Jack

Snorin God
Ya know Playa, I hardly ever get up there anymore. Those s/c's started charging more and I lost interest. I think Kenny must have taken my advice and headed down to GV and
found one of them Safeway "chicks". Haven't heard from him in a while. I'm not complaining, just curious.

Speaking of the DD casino down this way, and speaking of raising their prices, it used to be a good place to go to eat, but they got a fancy new chef and with a new chef comes a new
menu and with a new menu new prices. They have pretty good ribs and you used to get a half rack for 12.95. Now there is no half rack and a full rack is 19.95. Prime Rib was 16.95 and now 19.95.
Let them eat cake, I'll go back to my usual haunts.

Thanks for the article on the St. Augustine grass. Don't think they use that around here, but it's along the line of what we're talking about.
 

GV Jack

Snorin God
I would think they didn't plant the rye...since the course/ground seemed very "moist" from all the rains the past couple of months. Didn't one of the resorts advertise that they used some type of grass that would utilize salt water?
Can't answer that, but I have heard of some courses using it around the country. I used to play a course in Vero Beach, Florida. It was right on the ocean and had that big bladed old fashion tough bermuda.
You couldn't kill it with a truck load of RoundUp. The ocean winds would blow that salt all over the place and it would be back pronto. Was nasty stuff to play off and putt on.
 

Kenny

Guest
Those s/c's started charging more and I lost interest. I think Kenny must have taken my advice and headed down to GV and
found one of them Safeway "chicks". Haven't heard from him in a while. I'm not complaining, just curious
I think it might be that there hasn't been anything nearly as interesting as winter rye to post about in some time. Now I lived in Phoenix for many years, and we always planted bla bla bla, and bla every winter :mrgreen: One good reason to plant rye in the winter other than the estatics is that bla bla bla house clean. One other thing about winter rye is :blah: :blah:
Those s/c's started charging more and I lost interest.
Whats a s/c's ?
Wow, 1,745 hits on Majic Jack.
 
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GV Jack

Snorin God
I think it might be that there hasn't been anything nearly as interesting as winter rye to post about in some time. Now I lived in Phoenix for many years, and we always planted bla bla bla, and bla every winter :mrgreen: One good reason to plant rye in the winter other than the estatics is that bla bla bla house clean. One other thing about winter rye is :blah: :blah:

Whats a s/c's ?
Granted the site has been rather boring lately. No good rants, nothing to really sink your teeth, what few are left, into. Then along comes Kenny, blah blah blah.

Now talk about racing and those emission spewing, noisy rat cars and he's all ears and mouth. (Actually, I like them too, but don't tell Kenny)

Now for the million dollar question. Drum Roll, please.

S/C = Silver Cougars(female type) that hang aroud the Desert Diamond Casino. Sorry Playa, I couldn't let the poor guy go on with knowing our secret. I'll bet he's there by 10:00 tonight.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::party::party::party::cheers::cheers::cheers:
 

playaperro

El Pirata
Man Gv I love them ribs! Twenty bucks do they let you split a plate or charge extra for another plate? Well I don't think i can find anyone that will split a plate! Hey
you should of kept Kenny wondering all night thinking what a s?c is. You do know that Kenny and I have some history on the forum....
 

AZ ROB

Guest
The Mayan and Laguna courses are in great shape - the Laguna course is such a great deal - $30 - granted you play the same 9 twice but it's really nice out there, course in great shape, and usually more people working the course than playing it at any given time.
That works for me the way I play golf I never see the same part of the fairway more than once.
 

Mexico Joe

Cholla Bay 4 Life
Ok everyone, grab a cold one and sit down, the kid is about to school you on all things grass/golf. I was pursuing a degree from ASU in turfgrass management as well as working on the grounds crew for one of the best superintendents in the Phoenix metro area at Phoenix Country Club. I know a thing or two about grass. First of all, Ive never heard of what PLAYA is talking about in regards to tilt of the earth. There are most definitely grasses that can grow annually and their growth has nothing to do with the tilt of the earth. One example of this would be BENTGRASS. Bentgrass is a cool climate grass just like RYEGRASSand Fescue. However, growing conditions can be manipulated and bentgrass can be utilized even in the summertime here in Phoenix. That being said, Bentgrass isnt very common in lower elevations especially in the Phoenix area. Bentgrass is generally used on the greens here in the Phoenix area on the few courses that use it. Most of the courses that utilize bentgrass here in the Phoenix area are all up in Carefree. One particular course that has bentgrass greens would be Pinnacle Peak Country Club. Like I said earlier, conditions must be manipulated to grow bentgrass in Phoenix in the summertime, ie. more water and even sometimes using fans to keep the grass cooler. Bentgrass and ryegrass are generally found more in higher elevations, particularly in the Northwest. Flagstaff courses utilize bentgrass as well. Cold weather grasses like bentgrass and ryegrass have very thin leaves and provide the best putting surface. Bermuda grass is used widely in the Southwest, AZ, Inland Cali, Nevada. Hybrid bermuda turfgrasses have been developed specifically for golf courses and professional venues that require grass. There are a few that are used more frequently here in the state of AZ, ie. Ez-turf, tif-green and Tifway 419. Bermuda grass is a warm season grass and therefor will go dormant in cooler months. Bermuda grass will have to be overseeded with Ryegrass for the cooler months if you wish to keep the grass green. Dormant bermuda grass can be kept an off-greenish color if proper water is still applied to the grass in the off-season months. Dormant grass should not be confused with dead grass. Hybrid bermuda grass offer some of best playing conditions in my opinion. Hybrid bermuda grass have smaller and thinner leaf blades and offer an excellent playing surface, especially when overseeded with ryegrass. St. Augustine and Kentucky blue grass can be found in the south and midwest. These types of grass have very broad leaf blades and IMHO dont look as good and arent as good of a playing surface. Poa annua is used in California from San Diego to NoCal. IMHO poa annua resembles a weed and for me is a poor playing surface. Poa annua is another broad leafed turfgrass and is related to blue grass. Poa annua creates a less than stellar putting surface on greens. The courses in Rocky Point use a hybrid turfgrass created to deal better with salt. This turgrass does NOT get overseeded in the fall and therefore becomes dormant when temperatures consistently come down. When you are playing a course in Rocky Point from November or December to about April the turfgrass is dormant. The color of the dormant turfgrass depends on how much water it is receiving as well as how cold or hot it has been. If it is a mild winter and the course if properly maintained then the grass can be a little more greenish gray than brown. Ive played Peninsula de Cortez (Mayan Palace) a few times in the winter and the course has been pretty green even though the grass was dormant. Playing conditions can be excellent on dormant grass. However, I wouldnt count on good playing conditions with the grass being dead at LP.
 
Mexico Joe....a "degree" in grass management...is that a B.S. or M.S.? :rofl: Are there any Ph.D.'s teaching or just teaching assistants? How large is the department? :stir:

No wonder ASU is so huge, and the tuition has gone up so much!
 

El Gato

Guest
A grass question for you. We have a lot of grass at our complex and recently a BOD member was talking to the landscaper about it and was told that in the winter it had to be mowed 2 to 3 times a week to keep it looking good, which was why costs were so high. Was he correct? I never remember mowing the lawn in Phoenix or California more then once a week and as I recall, they looked great. Don't know if he was spreading a line of ______ or he was correct. Tks for your help.
 

Roberto

Guest
A grass question for you. We have a lot of grass at our complex and recently a BOD member was talking to the landscaper about it and was told that in the winter it had to be mowed 2 to 3 times a week to keep it looking good, which was why costs were so high. Was he correct? I never remember mowing the lawn in Phoenix or California more then once a week and as I recall, they looked great. Don't know if he was spreading a line of ______ or he was correct. Tks for your help.
Hmmm, maybe you are getting clipped !!??!:rofl::rofl:
 

joester

2 salty dawgs
a Carl Spackler reference - love it! without the youtube links, I wonder how many folks would have "got it"...
too funny!
 

MIRAMAR

Guest
My parents used to have a sod farm in Indio California, which sold sod and stolens to sports stadiums (Dodger stadium) and golf courses, etc. We used to have to drive from Phoenix to Indio in the summer to box the stolens. I remember a temperature of 125! Now, we go out to the Mayan, and the grass looks exactly like the grass he used to sell. It was originally found growing naturally on a golf course on a beach in Australia, not bothered by the salt, and my parents and another man started the sod farm. After several years of driving back and forth, they sold their position for a loss. The person who bought it converted it : it's now the Palm Springs Polo Club!
 
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