Hey Bill, I'm so sorry for opening that can of worms. I did not mean to imply that your life is a walk in the park. I know--I'm in the same boat somewhat. My 26 year old son started doing meth in high school and I was so blind.....had no idea that it was going on. He's off it now but he LOVES his alcohol. We've been through it all--kicking him out, having him arrested, the whole nine yards. He's unemployed more than he is employed. When we would kick him out, "a mother's love for her child" would overwhelm me and I would let him come back. For soooo many years, I beat my head against the wall many times trying to figure out where I went wrong, what should I have done differently. Well, I finally came to my senses and told myself it was nothing I did. He was a teenager when he started, but he is an adult now and as such, must take responsibility for himself. He chooses to live his life this way and I can only hope that when we "evict" him (I drew up a rental agreement that states the term of the lease ends 12/31/09 and he has until 01/04/10 to be out), he DOES hit total rock bottom--it will be the only thing that can hopefully straighten him out. I am giving up once and for all--I've done everything I can--it's up to him. The funny thing about talking about this is that you think no one else is going through the same thing as you and talking about is somewhat embarrassing--I've many times felt people might judge me or look down on me because my son, for the most part, is a loser. But he choose's to be this way--I don't (or didn't) choose it for him. So, come 01/04/10, I will become woman (hear me ROAR) first and mother second. If the end result is not what I want or hope it to be, well then I guess it's just meant to be the way it is. A mother's love (and father's-don't get me wrong) is something so overpowering, but we mustn't let it rule our lives anymore. We just need to keep hoping and praying that they will finally figure it out. So, Bill, again I'm sorry to have stirred up what I know is a very emotional and trying time for you and your wife. I will be thinking of you both and wish you the best of luck. HANG IN THERE--YOU ARE NOT ALONE!!!!!!!!!