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New Mexico hunters and trappers killing every bear and lion they can
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jerry
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http://videosift.com/video/How-The-Wolves-Changed-Yellowstone-National-Park. Love this video but trophy hunters stand in the way of reintroduction in many areas.
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GV Jack
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Trophy? Trophy, are you kidding me? I have dozens of trophies I won playing golf, where the "kill" had as much chance to win as I did.
When I was a kid, I was with some kids and we were squirrel hunting. I shot one and he fell inside the trunk and I could hear him in there
as he slowly died. I vowed then and there I would never shoot anything again, unless it was trying to shoot me.
It has been over 50 years since the army took back my musket and I have never held a gun of any type since. I believe in the right to own them,
I just prefer not to. I guess I'm just not a man.
When I was a kid, I was with some kids and we were squirrel hunting. I shot one and he fell inside the trunk and I could hear him in there
as he slowly died. I vowed then and there I would never shoot anything again, unless it was trying to shoot me.
It has been over 50 years since the army took back my musket and I have never held a gun of any type since. I believe in the right to own them,
I just prefer not to. I guess I'm just not a man.
Southbeacher
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So-called land management and the arguments on various sides is a very tangled web, but I must agree that it might be good to start with trophy hunting, which has no place in any ethical aspect of humanity.
Landshark
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Very cool video. We have an interest in wolves enjoy seeing positive feedback about them. The type of hunting and shooting I like involves binoculars and shooting pics & video. Went to Mesa Center for the Arts recently and saw The Hidden Life of Wolves. Enjoyed every minute of it. Wolves are very misunderstood animals.
http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/specials/nat-geo-live-specials/dutcher-wolves-lecture-nglive/
We have 2 Siberian Husky/Wolf hybrids. They are great pets and very trustworthy members of our family. Had to delete photo. Dogs were afraid they would get beat up.
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Southbeacher
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Wolves are amazing animals, and -- along with mountain lions and other animals that have been eradicated by hunters -- would help to bring nature back into balance. Cattle ranchers, however, have other plans, as well as hunters who often consider it their noble purpose to cleanse the resulting overpopulation of remaining critters.
Kenny
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These pictures were shot from the back door of the cabin I live in and through the screen on my porch.... I could, but I won't.... like dirtsufer, I also stopped hunting years ago. There's a nice Buck off to the left and out of site in the picture on the bottom with the four doe's in it.
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Roberto
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I used to have a book on the history of hunting in the US which had some incredible photos from the past. One I vividly recall showed a couple of hunters along with their guides proudly standing in front of a barn with the side completely covered in dead birds, phesants, ducks, geese and small animals. The foreground was covered with deer, elk, bear and big cats.
I hunted turkey in New Mexico. I enjoyed being in the woods in the early spring but I did it for the feathers. The pueblo indians use the feathers in a variety of ceremonies and in their costumes for feast day. Not the long wing or tail feathers as much as the smaller squared off breast and back feathers. One of the caciques was a good friend and it was a pleasure to see the look on his face when I would give him the feathers. We were sitting in front of his kiva during feast day one year and he swept his hand across in front of him gesturing to the crowd of dancers on the plaza and said to me : "See all those feathers out there? You gave us all of them". I failed to get a bird one year and Ray was mad at me. He said 'You have to ask the maker for it' and I replied 'Ray I don't know how to ask' so he taught me how to ask. That year I had a bird within 30 minutes of arriving in the canyon we hunted. Now that's good hunting and hunting for good!
Had a call one day from a friend asking if I wanted to go down to the Gila with him, immediately. Said a guide he knew had treed a cat and was holding it in the tree with his dogs looking for someone that wanted to shoot it. I declined the invite but he went on an 8 hour drive, then horseback and shot it with a .357 revolver right in the tree. Paid the guide quite a sum for the privledge too. It was an old cat with broken teeth. He kept the skull on his desk. Now that's bad hunting.
I hunted turkey in New Mexico. I enjoyed being in the woods in the early spring but I did it for the feathers. The pueblo indians use the feathers in a variety of ceremonies and in their costumes for feast day. Not the long wing or tail feathers as much as the smaller squared off breast and back feathers. One of the caciques was a good friend and it was a pleasure to see the look on his face when I would give him the feathers. We were sitting in front of his kiva during feast day one year and he swept his hand across in front of him gesturing to the crowd of dancers on the plaza and said to me : "See all those feathers out there? You gave us all of them". I failed to get a bird one year and Ray was mad at me. He said 'You have to ask the maker for it' and I replied 'Ray I don't know how to ask' so he taught me how to ask. That year I had a bird within 30 minutes of arriving in the canyon we hunted. Now that's good hunting and hunting for good!
Had a call one day from a friend asking if I wanted to go down to the Gila with him, immediately. Said a guide he knew had treed a cat and was holding it in the tree with his dogs looking for someone that wanted to shoot it. I declined the invite but he went on an 8 hour drive, then horseback and shot it with a .357 revolver right in the tree. Paid the guide quite a sum for the privledge too. It was an old cat with broken teeth. He kept the skull on his desk. Now that's bad hunting.
Roberto
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What would you do with all that acid you have then??
Hunting (as managed by Fish and Game) serves a valuable purpose -- it helps keep the checks and balances that Nature intended somewhat in place now that so many natural predators have been taken out of the picture. Although I don't hunt, never have, I don't have issue with it as some here do. I do have issues with trophy hunts, in the sense that some guy with lots of money pays a game ranch big bucks to go to their managed property and kill an exotic animal just for the pure sport of it. However, no issue with guys that apply for and get drawn for their hunting permit, go out and shoot a deer, elk, whatever and then dress it out and have it butchered to feed their families. Without that check and balance in place, you have deer herds multiplying so rapidly that they A) starve to death and B) become a danger to the public at large. Dangerous how? Just ask Michigan.
http://www.iiminfo.org/CONSUMERS/DeerCrashes/tabid/1722/Default.aspx
"Car-deer crashes are a year-round problem in Michigan. During 2012, there were 48,918 reported car-deer crashes in this state. That translates into one car-deer crash every nine minutes. These crashes are at least a $130 million a year problem in this state. The average car-deer crash causes about $2,100 in damage, usually to the front end, often leaving the vehicle undriveable. Car-deer crashes are not only costly, they are deadly. In 2012, 8 persons were killed in crashes with deer. Another 1,329 were injured. The most serious crashes occur when motorists swerve to avoid a deer and hit another vehicle or fixed object, such as a tree."
Michigan isn't the only place this is a big problem. Herd management (hunting) is the key to keeping it in check.
http://www.iiminfo.org/CONSUMERS/DeerCrashes/tabid/1722/Default.aspx
"Car-deer crashes are a year-round problem in Michigan. During 2012, there were 48,918 reported car-deer crashes in this state. That translates into one car-deer crash every nine minutes. These crashes are at least a $130 million a year problem in this state. The average car-deer crash causes about $2,100 in damage, usually to the front end, often leaving the vehicle undriveable. Car-deer crashes are not only costly, they are deadly. In 2012, 8 persons were killed in crashes with deer. Another 1,329 were injured. The most serious crashes occur when motorists swerve to avoid a deer and hit another vehicle or fixed object, such as a tree."
Michigan isn't the only place this is a big problem. Herd management (hunting) is the key to keeping it in check.
When's the BBQ? I'll bring the coleslaw... homemade, of course!
You need different dogs, Jerry. Hello, Mr. Dogo Argentino! These truly are amazing, powerful dogs, specific purpose breed, from over 13 breeds of dogs. They don't like Porky. Not at all. Some very interesting reading out there on them and their history.
http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/dogs-101/videos/dogo-argentino.htm
Kenny
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Bring lots of sauce!! You can eat them if you want, but their not pigs and they certainly don't taste like them either.When's the BBQ? I'll bring the coleslaw... homemade, of course!
Not that I'm advocating killing the Javelina, but I would protect my dogs from anything or anyone. So Jerry, if you change your mind, you can add those 3 Javelina to the 6 stuffed ones my brother-in-law has hanging on the wall in the house with all the turkeys, foxes, deer, big horn sheep, elk, bears, rabbits, etc.
Kenny
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Jerry knows that Javalina don't go looking to attack dogs, it's the other way around. Heck, even if he did shot those three, there would be more coming along in short order. I have them all around me up this way, I've even seen them hanging around Whiskey Row, the court house plaza and at the the college where I work.. The baby's are so damn cute that if they stayed that way, people would make them pets.http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=baby javelina pictures&qpvt=baby javelina pictures&FORM=IGRE
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I would name him Javier.
Hello, Mr. Gregory Peccary! I've eaten them at Mexican fiestas. They dig a big pit, dump in a lot of hot, burning mesquite charcoal, in goes the javelina, add dirt back on top. Dig him back up the next day and viola! Fiesta pig! Very yummy, actually.
We had them rooting around outside our office windows when I worked at Scottsdale Fashion Square in the heart of downtown, Scottsdale and Camelback. They ain't skeered of anything!