Wierd scene coming into Rocky Point today.

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
The rest of you? Really? Give it a break. It's the weekend. Go see a movie or something. I bought Despicable Me 2 the other day and haven't laughed so hard in ages. By the way -- odd coincidence -- the bad guy in that movie is a Mexican named "Macho." I kid you not! ;)
 

Mexico Joe

Cholla Bay 4 Life
You completely missed my point Joe. I was not debating the War on Drugs, structure of the Cartel, or the DEA's involvement in Mexico. I was talking about public perception of what is going on in Rocky Point. Regardless of whether or not you or I believe the violence in Rocky Point is "serious" or not, the fact of the matter remains that this is how many Americans have viewed the situation there and are viewing it now given what happened this month there. It would be foolish from an economic point of view to simply ignore this while Puerto Penasco tries to recover after years of taking a hit to their economy because of falling revenue from tourism. Why is that? You had the economic downturn in 2008 coupled with violence all throughout the country of Mexico which strongly contributed to Americans thinking negatively about traveling to/from Mexico, hence the lessening impact of American dollars in Rocky Point.

From reading your posts, it sounds like what happened in Puerto Penasco isn't going to stop either of us from having in good time down there. But just because we aren't going to be impacted and deterred from what happened there, does not mean that other Americans will not be. It's about keeping them coming down as well and keeping Rocky Point in a positive spotlight. You cannot ignore what is being said out there because in doing so, it will certainly not abode well for a good public relations campaign.
Yes, I must have because I'm confused at what you're trying to say. I'm still traveling to RP after this incident, however IMHO you can't really defend RP anymore when this happened INSIDE one of the nicest condos on SB. I know my odds of getting caught in between that are very very very slim and I will still go. However, we used to say, well at least it's not happening inside the tourist area. Not only did this happen in the tourist zone, it happened inside the resort, 75 feet from one of the pools. I can't defend military action inside a popular condo complex. Will I still go, yes. Did they **** up? Yes! As far as public perception/opinion goes, yes I'm sure this will effect tourism. To what extent? Only time will tell.

I did however disagree with your statement that this event will effect the economy of the whole state of SONORA. I can't understand how you came to that conclusion and that's why I said, what does this have to do with grape and olive exportation and or any other revenue that the state takes in. Yes, local economy maybe, time will tell. State economy, no
 
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jerry

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Yes, I must have because I'm confused at what you're trying to say. I'm still traveling to RP after this incident, however IMHO you can't really defend RP anymore when this happened INSIDE one of the nicest condos on SB. I know my odds of getting caught in between that are very very very slim and I will still go. However, we used to say, well at least it's not happening inside the tourist area. Not only did this happen in the tourist zone, it happened inside the resort, 75 feet from one of the pools. I can't defend military action inside a popular condo complex. Will I still go, yes. Did they fuck up? Yes! As far as public perception/opinion goes, yes I'm sure this will effect tourism. To what extent? Only time will tell.

I did however disagree with your statement that this event will effect the economy of the whole state of SONORA. I can't understand how you came to that conclusion and that's why I said, what does this have to do with grape and olive exportation and or any other revenue that the state takes in. Yes, local economy maybe, time will tell. State economy, no
plus Joe as you well know recruiters for the Cartels are always looking you gringos to cross the product.....bars,poolside you name it
 

Mexico Joe

Cholla Bay 4 Life
Good story making in clear RP is kept in still kept in the dark and most stories remain hearsay.

The published stories repeated by the Mayor was it was a SUCCESFULL surgical operation where No local citizens or tourists where harmed.

The initial stories coming where ones not Redacted for spin control.

"Not as normal, Mayor Figueroa was out of town, no local police present, banks and schools closed by Order. No rescue or local police notified, or later explained that it was not allowed due to risk. Bodies left on the open until 9:05, not even the Red Cross came to help.

http://www.numerounoonline.com/main/puerto-penasco/abaten-fuerzas-policiales-comando-de-sicarios#.Ur8Cjcu9KSM

"... of the Navy in which shots were fired on Constitucion ave, was followed by the no reelection to the left and continued...". I'm always driving on no reelection and right there near Constitucion and no reelection is that Pool Club right? Evolucion??? I go there with locals. That's the one thing that has always worried me about going to the places around town that only the locals go to or hanging out with local residents. You never know who knows who, who owes who. Never has stopped me but has always been in the back of my mind.
 
Yes, I must have because I'm confused at what you're trying to say. I'm still traveling to RP after this incident, however IMHO you can't really defend RP anymore when this happened INSIDE one of the nicest condos on SB. I know my odds of getting caught in between that are very very very slim and I will still go. However, we used to say, well at least it's not happening inside the tourist area. Not only did this happen in the tourist zone, it happened inside the resort, 75 feet from one of the pools. I can't defend military action inside a popular condo complex. Will I still go, yes. Did they fuck up? Yes! As far as public perception/opinion goes, yes I'm sure this will effect tourism. To what extent? Only time will tell.

I did however disagree with your statement that this event will effect the economy of the whole state of SONORA. I can't understand how you came to that conclusion and that's why I said, what does this have to do with grape and olive exportation and or any other revenue that the state takes in. Yes, local economy maybe, time will tell. State economy, no
That's my mistake linking my comment to include the entire state of Sonora, so my apologies. I think about how nice it is when I visit to have almost the entire beach to myself, but at the same time I think to myself how I live visiting my favorite restaurants and places to shop and understand how we need more tourists to keep these business' open. I like it so much there that I'm trying to relocate down to Puerto Penasco as I run a business online and can do so from anywhere. Another huge plus to living there is being able to be back in the USA in just an hour if you want to come back to Arizona for a while, unlike living overseas. I miss it already, can't wait to get back down there!
 
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Sub

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Easy dog...I was referring to the Greek Americans whose house was busted in in 2010 just before the shoot out at the school....and it was a question . a Mexican newspaper story also said Macho Prieto's bad behavior included rape 80 murders,rape,drug smuggling...next thing you know he would have been jaywalking...
Shootout at the school? I didn't hear about this one either.
 

Mexico Joe

Cholla Bay 4 Life
That's my mistake linking my comment to include the entire state of Sonora, so my apologies. I think about how nice it is when I visit to have almost the entire beach to myself, but at the same time I think to myself how I live visiting my favorite restaurants and places to shop and understand how we need more tourists to keep these business' open. I like it so much there that I'm trying to relocate down to Puerto Penasco as I run a business online and can do so from anywhere. Another huge plus to living there is being able to be back in the USA in just an hour if you want to come back to Arizona for a while, unlike living overseas for a while. I miss it already, can't wait to get back down there!

Don't disagree with you on that. I actually don't disagree in general, only to the fact that this will hurt the state's economy. Yea, not a good PR scenario for RP.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
Shootout at the school? I didn't hear about this one either.
You can search it up here. Got beat into the ground just like this thread. Basically a rolling gun battle across town. Some bad guys got killed. Unfortunately an innocent local also got killed, a painter returning home from work who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Which, like the fisherman in this incident, got little mention other than "collateral damage." In fact, the authorities tried to cover up that he was an innocent and continued to link him to the cartel, until his family's voice was finally heard. :(

That's the part that concerns me.
I don't want "Collateral Damage" listed as the cause on my Death Certificate. "Eaten by shark," fine. "Overdosed on bacon-wrapped shrimp," fine. Even "Death by Hookers and Blow" would be (perhaps) acceptable -- at least you know I died with a smile on my face! But "Collateral Damage?" Nope, nuh-uhh, no way.
 

Sub

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You can search it up here. Got beat into the ground just like this thread. Basically a rolling gun battle across town. Some bad guys got killed. Unfortunately an innocent local also got killed, a painter returning home from work who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Which, like the fisherman in this incident, got little mention other than "collateral damage." In fact, the authorities tried to cover up that he was an innocent and continued to link him to the cartel, until his family's voice was finally heard. :(

That's the part that concerns me.
I don't want "Collateral Damage" listed as the cause on my Death Certificate. "Eaten by shark," fine. "Overdosed on bacon-wrapped shrimp," fine. Even "Death by Hookers and Blow" would be (perhaps) acceptable -- at least you know I died with a smile on my face! But "Collateral Damage?" Nope, nuh-uhh, no way.
Wow that's crazy. Yes I wouldn't want 'collateral damage' attributed to my death either. Kinda like I'm a fanatic of crossing the street at a designated crosswalk as I think it's got to be the stupidest thing in the world to die for, because you were to lazy to at least attempt to crosss at a designated crosswalk (watch someone creams me in a crosswalk). The last incident I heard about I think was the broad daylight shoot out on Calle 13 and I have pictures of the Dodge trucks cheese gratered with automatic weapons fire. That was pretty eyebrow raising. Wonder what they'll do when the inevitable tourist gets caught in the crossfire? I first visited Rocky Point in 1982 and I never saw or heard of anything bad happening down there til that murder in 1991. Fast forward 20 years and now even Dec 18th's events seem not so unusual.
 

jerry

Guest
Still Sub I think you have a bit of that gun nut thing going on where you just are not comfortable without a handgun.Many of my friends on the right are the same.They use Mexico's problems as an excuse not to visit but other stuff is at work....you guys need a support group
 

Sub

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Still Sub I think you have a bit of that gun nut thing going on where you just are not comfortable without a handgun.Many of my friends on the right are the same.They use Mexico's problems as an excuse not to visit but other stuff is at work....you guys need a support group
Well Jerry, I have to disagree. I own several firearms but I don't carry on a regular basis. I can't carry at work so I don't obviously. I typically have one in the car or truck and especially if I'm going out of town (gunsafe in vehicle). I used to bring a .45 down regularly to Mexico prior to all the violence and before the border checks became too invasive. I did have a few nervous incidents trying to drag drunk friends home where I thought we were going to get rolled and some disconcerting encounters with federales & those crooks at the RV park I kept my trailer that turned me off from Mexico. The last straw was the realization that by continuing to go, spending money, and encouraging others to go was just helping the status quo. I believe nothing will change until American dollars dry up significantly and I'm not going to add to the problem.
Oh and I switched in 2012 & voted for Obama so consider me a conservative "blue dog" Democrat.

Did anyone ever capitalize on my idea to have gun storage at Lukeville for travelers?
 

Kenny

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Oh and I switched in 2012 & voted for Obama so consider me a conservative "blue dog" Democrat.
More than a few of us wondered how a "union man" like yourself, that along with some of your other beliefs, could not be progressive thinking politically too.
 

jerry

Guest
Did anyone ever capitalize on my idea to have gun storage at Lukeville for travelers?[/quote]
That is a great idea..... Still it is just fun down here,big Carna Assada dinner in Caborca,fires on the beach,hiking,chasing Corvina with atv's. life is good when you know the score......
 

Sub

Guest
More than a few of us wondered how a "union man" like yourself, that along with some of your other beliefs, could not be progressive thinking politically too.
Well I won't call myself a Progressive or Liberal as I disagree with most of thier pet causes. The Teamsters did have a long history of supporting Republicans, and personally I feel that I'd rather know the candidate is going to screw me than back the ones who promise then screw me later. I do think that gun control is pretty much a dead issue so that made the decision easier. You can imagine how my affiliation plays in my uber-Mormon Gilbert neighborhood.
 

Sub

Guest
Did anyone ever capitalize on my idea to have gun storage at Lukeville for travelers?
That is a great idea..... Still it is just fun down here,big Carna Assada dinner in Caborca,fires on the beach,hiking,chasing Corvina with atv's. life is good when you know the score......[/quote]

I'm sure it is and I long for the old times but hope to have better new times elsewhere. Who knows what the future may bring? I hope with PRI back in power again that we get back to the normal level of corruption in Mexico that we all have come to know and love, and a drug war that we never see.
 

Estero

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Did anyone ever capitalize on my idea to have gun storage at Lukeville for travelers?
That is a great idea..... Still it is just fun down here,big Carna Assada dinner in Caborca,fires on the beach,hiking,chasing Corvina with atv's. life is good when you know the score......[/quote]
You can store guns at the Why Not Travel Store before crossing the border.
 
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