Mexico is cracking down on U.S. boaters who venture into its waters

Roberto

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This prolly impacts US boats out of Penasco.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-fishing-regulations-20150727-story.html

Without a fence to mark the international boundary, crossing by boat from San Diego into Mexico might seem deceptively easy. But San Diego sport fishermen and others drawn to the waters off Baja California should take heed: Mexico's federal government has been stepping up inspections, checking for passports, tourist permits, fishing permits and other documents.

Until now, violators have been issued warnings and told to turn around. But this week, the Mexican government announced its intention to crack down on violators. That could mean boats being towed to Ensenada for an administrative process and immediate deportation of the crew and passengers.

Although violators won't face charges, "it will be an inconvenience," said María de los Remedios Gómez Arnau, head of the Mexican Consulate in San Diego.

The warning is being issued through Mexican consulates across California, and as far as western Canada and Arizona, and states that the "Mexican Navy and immigration authorities are strengthening their presence in Mexican waters."

According to Mexico's federal government, 40,000 to 50,000 tourist vessels cross into Mexico each year, many for fishing but others for other activities such as racing or cruising.

Although fishing permits long have been required, the federal government has more recently been asking foreign visitors to comply with Mexican immigration regulations, requiring them to carry passports and tourist permits when inside the country's territorial waters, within 12 miles of the coastline. Known as an FMM, the visitor permit costs about $21.


In recent years, the requirements have been cause for confusion. "I think the core of the issue in many cases is that people are willing to follow the rules; they're just not sure what they are," said Ken Franke, president of the Sportfishing Assn. of California, which represents 170 marine recreational businesses.

Mexico has been working with members of the San Diego boating community to clarify the rules. In March, the country's federal government launched a website and app that include links and instructions in English and Spanish for obtaining fishing and visitors permits.

Sharon Cloward, president of the San Diego Port Tenants Assn., said she worries that some may not yet have received word of Mexico's plans to pursue immigration violators.

"The bottom line is that nobody's ever enforced it, so this is all so new; that's my biggest concern," she said. "We want to make sure we're getting the information out to everybody."

Franke offered praise for the consulate's efforts: "The Mexican government is really doing outreach to the American public to make them feel comfortable to visit their country," he said. "You need enforcement to make sure everybody is in compliance. That's no different from the CHP monitoring speed on the freeway."
 

Stuart

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Where a LOT of this confusion comes from is the whole concept of "Free Zones." Baja Norte is a Free Zone; you do not require a Visa for short visits, just like most of Sonora. Where it starts to get sticky is that technically, if you are in the country for more than 72 hours, free zone or not, you're supposed to have a Visa. Add to that the Mexicans constantly change the rules to fit their own agenda or needs. Perfect example of this is towing your boat to San Carlos. San Carlos is indeed part of the Free Zone, however you cannot pass the 21 km checkpoint OR check your boat in at any of the marinas without a TIP (Temporary Importation Permit). Likewise, you must provide a copy of your visa. So, you're in the Free Zone, but you're NOT in the Free Zone. Go figure.

Ask a local in Penasco what you need for your boat and they will tell you nothing - no TIP, no permit (this is true as the boat permit itself was cancelled by Mexico several years ago) and no fishing license. They will tell you this and proudly say it's part of the Free Zone. Well, I wouldn't listen to that nonsense if I were you.

People would probably gladly get the visas and TIPs and such if A) it were easier to do at the Lukeville crossing and B) they knew what they were supposed to do. The process is not clear, not clear at all and you can only imagine how far the backup would be going over the border into Mexico with these additional requirements. It's often bad now, but this would create an absolute mess and the Mexicans are NOT equipped to deal with that kind of volume on the Sonoita side. At least the 21 KM stop going through Nogales, the stations are well-marked, they are staffed to issue visas and permits fairly quickly. I've never tried to get the documentation in TJ or Baja. Clueless what's involved there, but given the huge volume of traffic at that crossing, I can only imagine. I have read stories of guys parking their trucks and boats, then going back up the street to get their permits, and returning to find both truck and boat disappeared, stolen. TJ just ain't a nice place, period.

So, they are going to start confiscating boats. If I boated in the Pacific, you can bet you're sweet bippy I'd have every piece of paper I needed. This has been going on for awhile now and it's only going to get worse, not better. They've been stopping and boarding the long range boats out of San Diego on a pretty regular basis lately, making sure each fisherman has a visa and fishing license, in addition to the Captain having to have all the proper papers for the boat itself. Gotten rather ridiculous. I don't see it having as much impact in Penasco, as there aren't any long range boats, just some locally operated charters, and a smattering of private boaters. Nowhere near the volume of boaters/fishers heading down from LA and San Diego into Mexican waters.

Magic 8 Ball says: Something bad will happen, along the lines of an international incident, a very expensive long range boat will be confiscated and hopefully, there will be no loss of life.
 
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