Hurricane Patricia

mexicoruss

Lovin it in RP!
From what I have heard there was a lot of interaction for evacuation. Schools, restaurants, almost anything in Manzanillo and Puerto Vallarta has been boarded up, public transportation will shut down at 2:00 and the Electricity will be turned off before the storm hits to prevent other weird things from happening. I se they have room for 297,000 evacuees just in Puerto Vallarta. I hope for the best but this is one big storm.
 

Kenny

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Stuart could you please tell us one more time how "climate change" is a bunch of nonsense and not man made or is time for a little back peddling?
 

Estero

Guest
Had a conference call this morning and I said to one of the guys how's it goin today and he said was in Vallarta and they were boarding up and taping windows and then moving inland to higher ground. He was very worried.
 

jerry

Guest
this storm threaded the needle.....I believe my animal sacrafice saved PV (killed and ate my pet chicken Sara)
 

ben21

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No, but I can tell you to take some time out for your unprovoked bullshit post that it is politically motivated.

Not Clever at all, Kenny.
While the personal part was definitely unprovoked and unnecessary, the whole climate change issue has long been settled by people much smarter than all of us. Question is what steps are we willing to take to stop it.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
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Nah, don't really see climate change itself as a political issue. People overwhelmingly agree it's happening. Where it gets political is whether we should do something about it or not.
It isn't and it shouldn't be... yet it is. As a matter of science, you can find people that know a hell of a lot more about it than I do (or ever will) on both sides of the fence. Don't think for a moment that a lot of that research isn't bought and paid for by research grants from corporations and such that are all over the political spectrum, each with their own agenda. University A publishes a research paper favorable to Political Party X's position, the grant money keeps flowing. Same-same on both sides of the equation and that's what makes it political.

My only real issue with climate change isn't political at all. It's disdain for those that seek to promote it/profit from it with carbon credits, etc., all while flying anywhere they want in big jets and their entourages of SUVs and security along with them. Hypocrite much? o_O

The topic of the thread was Hurricane Patricia. That said, I'm happy to read that it wasn't the catastrophe that it certainly could have been. Some flooding and minor damage and I think 5 deaths have been attributed to it. By the grace of god, for sure.
 
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TICO-T

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It isn't and it shouldn't be... yet it is. As a matter of science, you can find people that know a hell of a lot more about it than I do (or ever will) on both sides of the fence. Don't think for a moment that a lot of that research isn't bought and paid for by research grants from corporations and such that are all over the political spectrum, each with their own agenda. University A publishes a research paper favorable to Political Party X's position, the grant money keeps flowing. Same-same on both sides of the equation and that's what makes it political.

My only real issue with climate change isn't political at all. It's disdain for those that seek to promote it/profit from it with carbon credits, etc., all while flying anywhere they want in big jets and their entourages of SUVs and security along with them. Hypocrite much? o_O

The topic of the thread was Hurricane Patricia. That said, I'm happy to read that it wasn't the catastrophe that it certainly could have been. Some flooding and minor damage and I think 5 deaths have been attributed to it. By the grace of god, for sure.
 

TICO-T

Guest
It isn't and it shouldn't be... yet it is. As a matter of science, you can find people that know a hell of a lot more about it than I do (or ever will) on both sides of the fence. Don't think for a moment that a lot of that research isn't bought and paid for by research grants from corporations and such that are all over the political spectrum, each with their own agenda. University A publishes a research paper favorable to Political Party X's position, the grant money keeps flowing. Same-same on both sides of the equation and that's what makes it political.

My only real issue with climate change isn't political at all. It's disdain for those that seek to promote it/profit from it with carbon credits, etc., all while flying anywhere they want in big jets and their entourages of SUVs and security along with them. Hypocrite much? o_O

The topic of the thread was Hurricane Patricia. That said, I'm happy to read that it wasn't the catastrophe that it certainly could have been. Some flooding and minor damage and I think 5 deaths have been attributed to it. By the grace of god, for sure.
I read were 4 of the five were killed in a" vehicle accident"
 

jerry

Guest
It isn't and it shouldn't be... yet it is. As a matter of science, you can find people that know a hell of a lot more about it than I do (or ever will) on both sides of the fence. Don't think for a moment that a lot of that research isn't bought and paid for by research grants from corporations and such that are all over the political spectrum, each with their own agenda. University A publishes a research paper favorable to Political Party X's position, the grant money keeps flowing. Same-same on both sides of the equation and that's what makes it political.

My only real issue with climate change isn't political at all. It's disdain for those that seek to promote it/profit from it with carbon credits, etc., all while flying anywhere they want in big jets and their entourages of SUVs and security along with them. Hypocrite much? o_O

The topic of the thread was Hurricane Patricia. That said, I'm happy to read that it wasn't the catastrophe that it certainly could have been. Some flooding and minor damage and I think 5 deaths have been attributed to it. By the grace of god, for sure.
98% of climate scientists believe it is man made and real
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
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98% of climate scientists believe it is man made and real
100% of statistics quoted on the Internet are made up on the spot. 97% has been the message for years. :p

Scientific American: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-determine-the-scientific-consensus-on-global-warming/

"Rather, the climate debate is now ethical and political; it comes down to what Americans are willing to do today to address a problem that will largely affect their grandchildren. In this realm of moral choice, the 97 percent consensus can be polarizing, said Dan Kahan, a professor of psychology at Yale University."

To prove this point, Kahan tested Republicans and Democrats on their scientific knowledge of global warming. He found that an overwhelming majority of both Republicans and Democrats know scientists believe CO2 causes global temperatures to rise. They also know that scientists believe that human-caused global warming leads to coastal flooding, rising temperatures and other ill effects.

And yet, when questioned outright, even highly educated Republicans underestimated the scientific consensus on climate change.

Kahan thinks this is because the question "What do scientists believe?" no longer measures people's climate knowledge. Rather, it indicates their ideology and worldview. The conflation is due to inflammatory advertising using the 97 percent consensus message that has politicized the message.

"I don't think it is conceivable that people who are highest in science literacy know less about climate change than other people," he said. "They know more. If you measure that, you would find that out. But instead, if you want to measure who they are, you will find out who they are."

That is why, outside laboratory conditions, the consensus message has not worked over the past decade, Kahan said.


So in essence, Jerry, you using that 97% message only politicizes the whole climate debate even more. Touche, mi amigo.
 
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Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
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It is real and if you don't dig coal for a living why wouldn't you want to fix it? The answer is you are used to following orders from the elite I would guess.
My, how presumptive of you, Jerry. Just like Kenny. I haven't said one damned word in this thread about my personal beliefs, only that it's a political issue and I hold those trying to make a profit from it in disregard. But yet you both assume that somehow I'm a skeptical non-believer and now I'm taking marching orders from some 1%er somewhere. Good grief, y'all need to get a life and stop trying to pigeonhole me into something I may or may not be that happens to fit your agenda.

 
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