Fear of Taking Kids to Mexico.

:)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/meriah-nichols/9-reasons-you-do-not-want_b_6836158.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

The fear that pulsates out of Arizona talk radio,the Fundementalist churches,the law enforcement/prison orbit all preach the other way...I love this article. Now that Arizona education had been bombed by the Koch Brothers puppet it might be a good Idea to jamb the kids in the Airstream and head for San Blas.

Uh, we have friends who are both liberals and conservative. And it's equally divided who is afraid to go down. I disagree with your hypothesis and your conclusion!

I have said this before in another thread, when I tell people I am going to Puerto Peñasco they say"where is that?". :cool:

Then I tell them it's Rocky Point and the first thing that happens is a change in facial expression and they ask "Isn't is dangerous down there?". :eek:

Both Liberal and Conservative. There is nothing other than negative about Mexico and Mexicans in the local news here. :mad: So atleast in my little area of Arizona, I completely agree with Jerry's observation!

And not to get totally off subject, but the Cons. in this area of Mesa (the most conservative city in the U.S. :( ) love Mexican....food. Especially at Someburros where everyone looks Mexican but sound wh...eh hem, American. And love their Mexican yard workers and brick layers and carpet installers and painters and.... Unless they have converted and are in a ward they have nothing good to say nor anything to do with Mexico nor Mexicans.

It seems that the 'fear of rocky point or mexico' has become less frequent. I am starting to see families go down that would not go down at all back in 2011-2013. Last year was better and I think it is improving. We are a society of short term memory. One day we are all dying from ebola and the next we are moving on to another disease to distract us (throw in a ferguson and a new terror group in between). The Mexico story would rotate 3-4x a year and now it may be a story 1-2x per year. It's best to turn off the news and realize 95% of it won't affect you personally. Too depressing.

Head out to Rocky Point Facebook page.
We have 5 vans running daily AND will have 7 vans on the road Friday, Saturday & Sunday. Another week of "Spring Break". Wanna Go? Let Us Know.

I saw those kids at lunch yesterday at Flavios

mexicoruss said:

I saw those kids at lunch yesterday at Flavios

The biggest danger to your kids in Mexico is having a bad meal at Flavio's. That place somehow staying open all these years is a testament to what a good location can do for a business.

This is the biggest fear I have of, taking my kids to Mexico (kid goats that is) is that they will turn out to be as anti social as this old goat..

ben21 said:

The biggest danger to your kids in Mexico is having a bad meal at Flavio's. That place somehow staying open all these years is a testament to what a good location can do for a business.

LOL, I agree

LOL

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/sujetos-armados-asaltan-a-un-grupo-de-25-turistas-en-isla-espiritu-santo-y-los-dejan-varados/ yikes...baja is just going to hell

jerry said:

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/sujetos-armados-asaltan-a-un-grupo-de-25-turistas-en-isla-espiritu-santo-y-los-dejan-varados/ yikes...baja is just going to hell

This story was nothing to do with the tourists, according to this blog. Rather, it was a beef between local pangeros.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=78042

People were robbed I read on the Baja facebook site

jerry said:

People were robbed I read on the Baja facebook site

The victims, including domestic visitors, French and Germans, who had traveled to the site aboard 3 boats were, were intercepted by the assailants, who arrived on the scene in a boat, unexpectedly, then lowered, and gun in hand, threatening passersby to hand over all their belongings.

In addition to taking what they brought tourists, like cash, cameras, phones, wallets and even passports were stolen one of the three boats, which conducted the tour one of the groups, for the Holy Spirit .

Yeah but it sells more if it were a true robbery.



Whatever end is to be met we will never know

From tripadvisor "Maybe late in on this topic but here goes . As a resident and bilingual reading all the news not just the realtor/tourist/rags , it gives me a more realistic view of the Baja Sur area . First of all I have lived in La Paz and seemingly it IS having a definite crime wave of both murders and robberies ,was bad when we lived there and now much worse. 60 murders since July 2014-Jan 10 ,2015 , yes Sixty murders and not all have been drug tied murders. We are also seeing robberies of Banks,stores and even casual restaurants for desperate amounts of money . The police force is undermanned and nearly useless in apprehending real criminals and the solve/incarceration rate is very low . I have many friends living and invested in La Paz and many have been robbed both house and car . So yes the crime element is very real . I agree , use common sense ,caution at night,lock up everything tight ,cell phone closeby for the 066 call . Sadly La Paz is headed into an unknown spiral of graffiti ,gangs and crime . I would NOT recommend it for the mentioned reasons . Not a pretty place ,and sadly not improving ..

Like I tell people when they ask me if I feel safe in Mexico

DO YOU FEEL SAFE IN THE USA ? Most of the time the responce is WELL NO!

SEEMS WE HEAR BAD ADVERTISING THINGS ABOUT ROCKY POINT ONLY
AT THE HOLIDAY TIMES LIKE SPRING BREAK. IS THIS DONE TO KEEP THE KIDS FROM
GOING DOWN AND SPENDING THERE MONEY THERE AND NOT AT THE LOCAL PLACES ?
I ALWAYS WONDER WHO PAYS FOR THIS MIS INFORMATION, THE HOTELS ?
Yes I love Rock Point and have been going there for 35 years

Wood Spinner said:

Like I tell people when they ask me if I feel safe in Mexico

DO YOU FEEL SAFE IN THE USA ? Most of the time the responce is WELL NO!

SEEMS WE HEAR BAD ADVERTISING THINGS ABOUT ROCKY POINT ONLY
AT THE HOLIDAY TIMES LIKE SPRING BREAK. IS THIS DONE TO KEEP THE KIDS FROM
GOING DOWN AND SPENDING THERE MONEY THERE AND NOT AT THE LOCAL PLACES ?
I ALWAYS WONDER WHO PAYS FOR THIS MIS INFORMATION, THE HOTELS ?
Yes I love Rock Point and have been going there for 35 years

I've been going for around 49 years! Off & on..

I agree. Personally, we have never felt in any danger in all our trips to Rocky Point. Of course, we tend to keep to ourselves, not really into the bar scene anymore. In fact I had my catalytic converter stolen - at work in Phoenix :eek:. This happened days before we were going down. I go to Rocky Point to feel safe. :p

I never felt any danger either. I have been going down for over 28yrs. Everything was just fine up until last yr, then things changed....... I think I finally have the courage to go back, but wouldn't bring kids w/me. Macho changed my way of thinking that day.

Rick S. said:

I never felt any danger either. I have been going down for over 28yrs. Everything was just fine up until last yr, then things changed....... I think I finally have the courage to go back, but wouldn't bring kids w/me. Macho changed my way of thinking that day.

that guy had to really drop his asking price on that truck

Rick S. said:

I never felt any danger either. I have been going down for over 28yrs. Everything was just fine up until last yr, then things changed....... I think I finally have the courage to go back, but wouldn't bring kids w/me. Macho changed my way of thinking that day.

Totally understandable for anyone that was around that day...

ben21 said:

Totally understandable for anyone that was around that day...

Same could be said for anyone at the Colorado movie theater shooting, the Tucson Safeway shooting, the Boston marathon bombing, and, and. At least in Mexico you mostly know who the bad guys are and what their motives are. The deal with Macho was all about his business practices and the authorities doing their job. Excessive? Yes, by our standards, but no force directed against those not involved, and nobody injured that wasn't involved. Gabby wishes the deal at the Safeway could have had the same outcome. We live in a violent world and you can only hope you aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time, and yeah, the Macho thing would have scared the crap out of me too...

Here is my take... at least in Mexico the violence is directed toward a specific target. In the US, that target could be random from the guy who's wife cheated on him to the guy who is angry at the world. Often times the police will look the other way in Mexico when one of the bad guys falls out of line, why... because someone within the criminal organization will take care of the rouge employee.

dry heat said:

Here is my take... at least in Mexico the violence is directed toward a specific target. In the US, that target could be random from the guy who's wife cheated on him to the guy who is angry at the world. Often times the police will look the other way in Mexico when one of the bad guys falls out of line, why... because someone within the criminal organization will take care of the rouge employee.

mostly untrue...random,innocent people are killed every day.This belief is just a way to shrug off and point the finger at the pain our drug use has caused the guiltless mexican people to suffer.

Hermosa Beach (sandy beach) is jumping today, pic stolen from De Frente.

jerry said:

mostly untrue...random,innocent people are killed every day.This belief is just a way to shrug off and point the finger at the pain our drug use has caused the guiltless mexican people to suffer.

of course random violence happens everywhere. Since the website is about Rocky Point, I am pointing to Rocky Point as an example of the targeted violence vs. the non targeted violence you hear of in other areas. Yes, bullets spray regardless of where one is (can't prevent that). However you don't often hear about a loco resident of rocky point randomly shooting at people (I'm sure we have an example here and there, but maybe not at the level of areas in the US where random violence is really random... no rhyme or reason for it). Dad was mad, Son watches too much violence on TV, postal worker is done with his job, student is tired of being made fun of, etc.

dry heat said:

Here is my take... at least in Mexico the violence is directed toward a specific target. In the US, that target could be random from the guy who's wife cheated on him to the guy who is angry at the world. Often times the police will look the other way in Mexico when one of the bad guys falls out of line, why... because someone within the criminal organization will take care of the rouge employee.

As the pressure has increased on the acquisition and transfer of drugs to and across the border, many of the cells have experienced a marked reduction in income and have resorted to other means of generating income to pay the sometimes extensive staff of little people, halcons, etc. If a cell loses a load, they have to pay the boss the value of the load. Those alternative means of generating income include, collecting protection, kidnapping, abducting young women for prostitution and a few other activities. The victims are mostly local residents but often not affiliated directly with any cartel cell. Visitors are pretty much spared, unless they look Mexican and or have business in an area. Pretty broad specific target.

Also the idea that it is a good thing when one cell shoots up another cell or a rogue member, leads to lawlessness and enforcement becoming cop, jury, judge and executioner. Any civilized society investigates a murder, irrespective of who did the shooting. Murder is murder. Overlooking it creates a permissive atmosphere.

Local example...6 young guys working on a campo near me in 2008 ..just field workers were rounded up with 3 bosses in the game.They were each shot in both knees and watched as one by one they were cut up with a cordless 18 volt sawsall,thrown in a van and dumped at a checkpoint...just boys

Landshark said:

Excessive? Yes, by our standards, but no force directed against those not involved, and nobody injured that wasn't involved. Gabby wishes the deal at the Safeway could have had the same outcome. We live in a violent world and you can only hope you aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time, and yeah, the Macho thing would have scared the crap out of me too...

"Nobody injured that wasn't involved"?


The truck in the photo I posted was owned-driven by 2 Cholla Bay fisherman (ages 20 and 15) who got caught in the fire accidentally. They happen to be driving by and tried to get the hell out of there when the Blackhawk's started firing the mini guns. Same thing that would have happened to me probably if I decided to try and make a run for it. Several cars were shot up trying to leave Bella Sirena.

Rick S. said:

"Nobody injured that wasn't involved"?
The truck in the photo I posted was owned-driven by 2 Cholla Bay fisherman (ages 20 and 15) who got caught in the fire accidentally. They happen to be driving by and tried to get the hell out of there when the Blackhawk's started firing the mini guns. Same thing that would have happened to me probably if I decided to try and make a run for it. Several cars were shot up trying to leave Bella Sirena.

I read as much as I could find right after the incident but don't remember that. Thanks for clarifying, makes it even scarier. Smart that you holed up until the dust settled. Making a run for it would have been a good way to get your ass shot off. Just bad luck to have been there that day.