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Eagle Eating

Started by Roberto · Feb 12, 2015 · 57 replies
Roberto
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I have been watching this eagle out my kitchen window. It eats on this pole, not at the nest. The base of the pole has lots of remainings. Looks like a fish for desayuno today. Got out to take pics and spooked it.
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Hillbeartoe
Sweet an Osprey. Saw some flying around last time we were there.
Landshark
Is it an eagle, or an osprey? We saw some diving down and grabbing fish out of the canal. Thought they were eagles but decided they were actually ospreys.
Hillbeartoe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osprey

Like my favorite bird. I love their look. Hawkish but the size of a Golden eagle. I have some great video from 2 years ago of a pair hunting the lower Salt River. But you can see them up north as well.
Roberto
I thought an Osprey is a kind of eagle ??
Hillbeartoe
That Wiki is a very interesting read Roberto. It seems to be it's own thing along side Hawks and Eagles.
I was was just putting a name to the bird though, not trying to prove or disprove whether it was an eagle or not.
It is a raptor like the others. Good enough for me.
Landshark
It's a Seahawk! But not from Seattle!
Kenny
I've never had a good fishing hole in all the western states and in Mexico that didn't have a Osprey fishing there too. They use the same nest's year after year and I've fished next to some of the same Osprey for years running. Jerry has a pair close to his place down Santo Tomas way that we have watched in the spring catching fish right in front of us and then over the dune's they go to feed their baby's that are close by. I've seen Osprey chase off everything from a Bald Eagle on down that got to close to one of their nesting sights in the spring.
Landshark
I remember hearing about the Mayan Palace building some sort of structures on their property for the ospreys to nest on. Always thought that was a really cool thing to do and wish more was being done in situations like this to support the native wildlife.
Roberto
Landshark said:
I remember hearing about the Mayan Palace building some sort of structures on their property for the ospreys to nest on. Always thought that was a really cool thing to do and wish more was being done in situations like this to support the native wildlife.


There are several man made sites in Unconscious. A tall pole with a platform frame seems to work.

It might be only this one that does it, I found the health issues of not taking the catch into the nest to eat interesting. The nest would quickly be a nest of rotting leavings, bacteria and insects, a source of disease for the hatchlings.
rplarry
Roberto said:
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I have been watching this eagle out my kitchen window. It eats on this pole, not at the nest. The base of the pole has lots of remainings. Looks like a fish for desayuno today. Got out to take pics and spooked it.
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Roberto, this is a serious question. Did you really think that this was an eagle or are you pulling our leg ?

Also, why do you call Las Conchas, "Unconscious" ?
Roberto
rplarry said:
Roberto, this is a serious question. Did you really think that this was an eagle or are you pulling our leg ?

Also, why do you call Las Conchas, "Unconscious" ?


Well, yes as I said, I thought without doing any research, it was a type of eagle, like the Golden or the Bald.

Go out there in the middle of an average week !!!
Landshark
Roberto said:
Well, yes as I said, I thought without doing any research, it was a type of eagle, like the Golden or the Bald.
Go out there in the middle of an average week !!!

You should have just asked the damn eagle if he was an eagle. Of course if he was in Unconscious he probably wouldn't have answered.:confused:
JimMcG
I am just a little disappointed in this Eagle Eating thread, having fully expected to read a variety of Survivorman style recipes.
Kenny
Larry's a home port kind of guy and that was just his feeble attempt to put Roberto down because of his rebuttal to Russ's rant.
Hillbeartoe
JimMcG said:
I am just a little disappointed in this Eagle Eating thread, having fully expected to read a variety of Survivorman style recipes.

lol
Hillbeartoe
rplarry said:
Roberto, this is a serious question. Did you really think that this was an eagle or are you pulling our leg ?


Very easy to not think it is an eagle. Anyone that is even familiar with observing the difference in size of a Hawk vs. an eagle would assume it is an eagle. And it's name derived from Greek means Sea Eagle.... Besides the fact unless you are into birds most people have never even heard of an Osprey.

I was beginning to wonder who would pick up the slack after JWT was booted. Was starting to get a little quiet here.
jerry
Roberto said:
I thought an Osprey is a kind of eagle ??

My uncle that most likey shot one since the old bastard pretty much shot everything that moved called them fish Eagles...like Cara Cara more a hawk I think I have had them fly over my Fox Terrier and think hard about taking her out....other animals have learned that is a mistake...little girl killed a damn badger last year. Took this photo of my fav neet a while back....cactus broke sadly..
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jerry
Hillbeartoe said:
lol

A guy that runs a place called Ravens Way near patagonia was on the Dual survivor show last year
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jerry
I put out of of those game cameras and came back to find it on the ground with a busted lens and a photo of a talen and a blurr of feathers...think this guy did not like the motion red lightimage.jpg
Hillbeartoe
Yeah I have seen them up in pine top, flagstaff and when I was younger working in Idaho I had seen some fishing out there too.

I think they are really neat looking.

I come from a hunting and fishing family. When I was a little kid I remember walking into my grandfathers back yard and there would be random animals everywhere. He had an avery with ring necked dove etc. .

They had rehabilitated a red tailed hawk and kept an orphaned javalina. That thing road around in the car like a dog.

But I have always loved animals of all kinds and have known what an Osprey looked like from a young age. I always thought they were the king of Falcons but glad this thread happened and I actually read into it. Neat to know they are their own thing.
Dawg
Osprey. Love watching the ones that live on the pole near CEDO in Las Conchas. There's a family there every year. I'm always surprised at the size of the fish they can take off with and bring back to the little ones. Ospreys are about half the size of Bald Eagles, we have a number of those that soar over the bluffs of Puget Sound near our home in Washington; huge birds. Golden Eagles are a bit bigger yet.
Kenny
You may see pictures and Video's of Bald Eagles taking fish from the water in flight, those fish are either dead or dying. The Osprey is the only Raptor that's a true fisherman in the sense that it hunts and kills live and healthy fish.
asprinkles
There are a lot in lobos. I've watched, and if they hit the water they get a fish. If you go down the beach headed north there are about eight that hang out on the fence post along high tide mark. If you head se. along the cliffs you will see some massive nest. If I could load pics I would post them Just don't remember how.Leigh
Kenny
asprinkles said:
There are a lot in lobos. I've watched, and if they hit the water they get a fish. If you go down the beach headed north there are about eight that hang out on the fence post along high tide mark. If you head se. along the cliffs you will see some massive nest. If I could load pics I would post them Just don't remember how.Leigh

Massive is right Leigh. I've seen them at least 6 feet high after generations of use up in Washington State.
playaperro
Kenny said:
Massive is right Leigh. I've seen them at least 6 feet high after generations of use up in Washington State.

I have never seen an eagle around here Kenny.
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jerry
asprinkles said:
There are a lot in lobos. I've watched, and if they hit the water they get a fish. If you go down the beach headed north there are about eight that hang out on the fence post along high tide mark. If you head se. along the cliffs you will see some massive nest. If I could load pics I would post them Just don't remember how.Leigh

Lee, so your files are too big.Get a little free program like image sizer that drops them below a Mg...640 by 480 range then click upload file button.
Hillbeartoe
I used an image sizer too. No luck for me though kept erroring. If the image sizer doesnt work try photobucket. I use that and there is a url link that will display the photo like you see them here as well. Just click url it will save it and you just right click paste them into your response.
Good luck, would like to see the nests.
Kenny
playaperro said:
I have never seen an eagle around here Kenny.

What are you talking about dog? I only compared Bald Eagles To Osprey to point out that the Osprey are the only true Raptor fish catchers.
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playaperro
My point is that you misunderstood lee's post thinking they're eagles out lobos way and the closet eagles are in the catalina foothills, sabino canyon and they happen to be golden eagles, I'll forgive Roberto since he's is a new vecino at LAS CONCHAS where the osprey has been flying around forever.
Kenny
playaperro said:
My point is that you misunderstood lee's post thinking they're eagles out lobos way and the closet eagles are in the catalina foothills, sabino canyon and they happen to be golden eagles, I'll forgive Roberto since he's is a new vecino at LAS CONCHAS where the osprey has been flying around forever.

No, you misunderstood me but more likely just looking for something being the dog you are. I knew exactly what kind of Raptor Leigh was talking about. Now if you care to read it again, it was just a comparison of the two as far as their fish catching capabilities are concerned... Below is the picture I took of the Osprey nest near Jerry's place. There were youngsters in the nest that I was trying to get a picture of, but mom showed up and made them put their heads down... Damn fear biting little dogs anyway. image
jerry
playaperro said:
My point is that you misunderstood lee's post thinking they're eagles out lobos way and the closet eagles are in the catalina foothills, sabino canyon and they happen to be golden eagles, I'll forgive Roberto since he's is a new vecino at LAS CONCHAS where the osprey has been flying around forever.

Hmmm...I think there is a population In the interior of Sonora plus why is it the Seris always carve Desert Eagles? do the see them on Direct Tv?
Kenny
jerry said:
Hmmm...I think there is a population In the interior of Sonora plus why is it the Seris always carve Desert Eagles? do the see them on Direct Tv?

On Mexico's flag maybe? image Yes there is Jerry: Their endangered but the Golden Eagle is still out there. I've only seen one up close and that was in northern N.M. and man, their a big bird
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Hillbeartoe
Interesting in the Wiki for birds in Mexico there are 8 different Eagles listed as being present or near extinct. I didn't realize how widely distributed Bald Eagles were.
But I suppose when we head down, aside from the few towns everything just looks like it does in any direction you head out in the valley here in Phoenix. I wouldn't or shouldn't be surprised to see the same Fauna as we see here as probably 90+% of the Flora is the same as well.
Oh wait, it's the Sonoran Desert... Doh, silly me.
Bark bark, ruff ruff. No that's my Puerto Peñasco Kenny! Bad Kenny.(southpark joke)
Kenny
"Hillbeartoe said:


Ha, you and some others on here don't know that the dog and I have had if you will, I don't know, a 7+ year relationship and to say that during many years of that time the dog found every opportunity he could to call me a asshole and such is not a over statement . Truth is I'm proud of the dog in that he's now able to show his animosity toward me without the bad language; but that could change after this.:D OK, another truth is that if the dog got lost or ran away, I'd miss him.:)
Hillbeartoe
Hehe. I actualy like his family vid. Good lookin guy and family. And the video was well edited. I was a lil surprised he tends to the darkside but I find myself wanting to like him. hehe. sounds weird but you know.
He definitely isn't like some of the others and this place would be no fun with out at least a little back and forth.
Kenny
Hillbeartoe said:
Hehe. I actualy like his family vid. Good lookin guy and family. And the video was well edited. I was a lil surprised he tends to the darkside but I find myself wanting to like him. hehe. sounds weird but you know.
He definitely isn't like some of the others and this place would be no fun with out at least a little back and forth.

The only picture I've seen of the dog (playaperro) in all these years , that's who I was speaking of, was when he was around 8 down in Mexico. Who are you talking about?
Hillbeartoe
Lemme see if I can find the video. I think he posted one in another thread. Pretty sure it's who we are referring to.
Hillbeartoe
Is this the dog?



The video stuck out in my mind because of the video quality and editing and that if that's him his wife is a very good looking woman.
Kenny
Hillbeartoe said:
Is this the dog?



The video stuck out in my mind because of the video quality and editing and that if that's him his wife is a very good looking woman.

Why on God's earth would you think that was playaperro? Leave it up though, more than a few will get a kick out of it.
Hillbeartoe
LOL, he posted it in another thread. Thought it was his own LMAO. Thats funny.

Now I wish I knew what he looked like. It must make this even funnier.
Kenny
Hillbeartoe said:
LOL, he posted it in another thread. Thought it was his own LMAO. Thats funny.

Now I wish I knew what he looked like. It must make this even funnier.

Some of my friends have met him but as I said, the only picture I've seen in all these years was of him and his brothers as kids in Mexico. Oh, he rides a Harley or used to.
rplarry
Kenny said:
Larry's a home port kind of guy and that was just his feeble attempt to put Roberto down because of his rebuttal to Russ's rant.


Not true Kenny. Wrong again.

I wasn't putting anyone down. I was seriously surprised that Roberto, being in real estate and living in RP and knowing so much about Las Conchas and everything RP, hadn't seen or known about the dozens of Osprey poles and nests out in Las Conchas. They are just about as abundant as pigeons out there.

I thought he was pulling our leg, that's all.
rplarry
playaperro said:
My point is that you misunderstood lee's post thinking they're eagles out lobos way and the closet eagles are in the catalina foothills, sabino canyon and they happen to be golden eagles, I'll forgive Roberto since he's is a new vecino at LAS CONCHAS where the osprey has been flying around forever.


Right, that was kind of why I asked Roberto that question. They have been a fixture out in Las Conchas for the 30 years we have stayed out there. Their numbers have probably tripled in the past 5-10 years which is makes for some really cool observing.

Speaking of cool, this Osprey video is really incredible. They are so accurate in their approach, and their strength is amazing. That salmon in the last shot weighs about as much as the Osprey itself.

Enjoy.

Osprey -- the ultimate fisher

Landshark
Kenny said:
Some of my friends have met him but as I said, the only picture I've seen in all these years was of him and his brothers as kids in Mexico. Oh, he rides a Harley or used to.

The dawg... lol
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Hillbeartoe
Ahhh, Denissio Hoperto. Got it.
Kenny
rplarry said:
Right, that was kind of why I asked Roberto that question.

Right about what? LOL I knew what bird Leigh was talking about, the Osprey, and I've never confused it with any other Raptor.
I don't think there should be any doubt that a Golden Eagle could kick a Bald Eagles butt. This is a very cool Video.
Hillbeartoe
Wait a minute, thats an Eagle on the mexican flag? That video makes it seem as though the Eagle has been revered, idolized and used for/on everything from rituals to currency.
Man I learn something new everyday.
:rolleyes:
rplarry
Kenny said:
Right about what? LOL I knew what bird Leigh was talking about, the Osprey, and I've never confused it with any other Raptor.
I don't think there should be any doubt that a Golden Eagle could kick a Bald Eagles butt. This is a very cool Video.


Kenny, I was replying to playperro, not Leigh.

I am aware you know your predator birds. I think you got a little confused in the differing threads.

I completely agree, the Golden is a monster as compared to the Badly.

The Osprey is a class unto it's own though. Not the biggest, but the best at it's craft of catching fish.

Glad you like the video Ken. Fun seeing a bird that is hyper-focused on fish, and no other game.

When I am out and about in the dunes and see rabbit sign, or mouse tracks, it's funny to think that even though the Osprey could take them easily, the Osprey are seaf00d-tariens (like vegetarians, but for seafood!)

We are on the same page Kenneth!
Kenny
Hillbeartoe said:
Wait a minute, thats an Eagle on the mexican flag? That video makes it seem as though the Eagle has been revered, idolized and used for/on everything from rituals to currency.
Man I learn something new everyday.
:rolleyes:

If you look up the history of the Raptor on the flag, there is some disagrement
Hillbeartoe said:
Wait a minute, thats an Eagle on the mexican flag? That video makes it seem as though the Eagle has been revered, idolized and used for/on everything from rituals to currency.
Man I learn something new everyday.
:rolleyes:

If you look up the history of the Raptor on the Mexican flag, you'll see that there has been some debate on what bird was used in the flags early history.
Hillbeartoe
So prior to 1821 the Virgin of Guadalupe was the crest. And since, there has been the eagle in various forms.
Interesting read, since the current form of the flag has only been in place since 1968. 2 years before my time but that's a short period of time.
Thanks for the history lesson.
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Kenny
Hillbeartoe said:
So prior to 1821 the Virgin of Guadalupe was the crest. And since, there has been the eagle in various forms.
Interesting read, since the current form of the flag has only been in place since 1968. 2 years before my time but that's a short period of time.
Thanks for the history lesson.

Right and I should have said crest or shield when talking about the early years of the transformation of the bird. Did you notice how the birds had a crest on it's head in the earliest years? Not like a Golden at all.
Kenny
Leigh sent me the picture of the Osprey nest from down Puerto Lobos way. Wish you could see it better, this nest is huge!
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Hillbeartoe
I think it's interesting because the changes over the years reflect the changes in the country's identity. It is something I think they are still struggling with.
Very off topic at this point but it is a very similar type of struggle we have in the U.S. in my opinion. From state to state at times it seems there is no loyalty to the overall well being of the country. For a while now it seems the eagle should be resting on top of random unmarked graves or weeping or something.
Maybe I am up to early.... Damn dog.
mexicoruss
Here's the same nest I believe near Puerto Lobos

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Hillbeartoe
That is insane. They are so neat though.
asprinkles
same one, there is another huge one down the cliffs heading se. It's been there for years. Leigh
asprinkles
Thanks Kenny