Went out to 50 areas Friday Feb 6th with a few buddies. Incredible weather, absolutely perfect all day. Lots of white sea bass, grouper (nothing big), calico, rabbit fish, sheep head. Awesome day!
Fuel in Rocky Point twice the price of Arizona or San Luis, Mexico.
Only seen about 3 whales, seen a few dolphins.
Repaving the roads around Safe Harbor, pretty rough getting in/out around there now, should be done shortly.
Great covered boat storage available at Whale Hill, $120/month, includes electricity and water.
If crossing the border at San Luis with your boat they're asking for TIPS permits consistently now, can get em when you cross ($75 for 10 years).
The white sea bass were in the deepest waters 50 miles out, in a 400 foot hole. GPS coordinates for the hole are N 30 36 584 W 113 54 270. There, gave my secret away, who cares (Now that I gave my secret away does anyone want to share the coordinates for Witch's Hat?). Used plain circle hooks baited with squid or slices of smaller fish attached to a 2 lb weight. Once you hit the hole there's no way you couldn't catch em. The day before a boat came in sincerely with about 100 of them all in the 15-20 lb range.
The white sea bass were in the deepest waters 50 miles out, in a 400 foot hole. GPS coordinates for the hole are N 30 36 584 W 113 54 270. There, gave my secret away, who cares (Now that I gave my secret away does anyone want to share the coordinates for Witch's Hat?). Used plain circle hooks baited with squid or slices of smaller fish attached to a 2 lb weight. Once you hit the hole there's no way you couldn't catch em. The day before a boat came in sincerely with about 100 of them all in the 15-20 lb range.
Gracias for the GPS coordinates James, Fisher guys on here don't like to give them out. I will write these down, I love white sea bass & dorado, fresh never frozen unless froze by me.
Your spot is not much of a secret N 30 51.017 W 113 59.175 will get you to the WH. When you get to the reef spend some time scouting and u will find lots of rocks as with any other reef, keep on looking for more.
We also did well on my boat, La Josefina, this weekend on the deeper reefs
DM, I was being sarcastic when I stated that spot was a secret, cause as you know nothing 50 miles out is a secret anymore. Was helping em out by giving em coordinates to get em in the area. Thanks for the WH coordinates, and am glad the La Josefina did well.
That is some nice looking flat water. I don't seem to see it that often. By the way nice fish too!
Not to get off topic but does anyone have a link to a decent tide calendar? One that actually visually shows the peaks and valleys and time vs one that shows just the numbers. I am a visual kind of guy I guess.
That is some nice looking flat water. I don't seem to see it that often. By the way nice fish too!
Not to get off topic but does anyone have a link to a decent tide calendar? One that actually visually shows the peaks and valleys and time vs one that shows just the numbers. I am a visual kind of guy I guess.
looks like a great day! Sail Flow was right on for Friday being calm and flat. 2 lb sinkers? that is a lot of lead. reminds me of what we used in AK fishing for halibut.
Ate a sheep head fish last night, first time I tried one, was great. Although it was calm there was a strong current and we were fishing in 400 ft so 2 lbs seemed to work the best.
Yuma James: if all the dead fish in the pics above are not from your efforts , let us know.
If the big haul of fish is from him: Yuma James appears to be an occasional tourist fisher, very good at landing copious numbers of fish when he visits PP. It seems he knows Mexico is a foreign tourist spot that has fish limit laws that are not enforced, so the urge to take advantage and overfish/plunder in our waters was apparently insurmountable. We expect he cares little about the welfare of the fishing industry in Rocky Point for so long as he can keep this up. When the fish run out we will hear him blaming Mexicans for overfishing !
We hoped someone posting here would have suggested to him "catch and release, conservation, catch enough for dinner" etc. Unless he's feeding fish to the poor folks here in Penasco, all the meat he killed will get freezer burned before it is ever eaten.
Hopefully the CEDO/Marina folks will start enforcing the limit laws. One boat, Mexican or Gringo, confiscated and forfeited, might solve this problem.
For the first couple strikes for a great meal with friends, no. But when you know every catch after that will kill another, YES. Go to shallower water so your kill does not rupture its bladder and die. We find that once you have dinner in the box, catch and release sport fishing makes for better memories and a clearer conscience.
There she, it or whatever JWT is with that "we" crap again.
Still waiting for the people you speak for to grow a pair and speak for themselves.
A lot of people that fish down there fish for several months worth of flesh and properly frozen have 6-9 months of shelf life.
No one else here with much more experience and clout than your own have said a word about any abuse of "our" waters as you refer to them nor any comment of bag limits.
Crawl back in your hole and wait to reply to something you actually know about, maybe gate codes or something.
You sound vindictive and mean. We don't talk derisively about anyone here. Why do you? Does it make you feel better?
Our mission here is to help Penasco grow and prosper to benefit its residents and it's responsible tourists. Overfishing is not acceptable by and to anyone.
It appears you are happier waiting for other people to mention fishing abuses or catching over limits before you have any interest in the subject. Ok, we understand your concern. JWT
Hillbeartoe said:
There she, it or whatever JWT is with that "we" crap again.
Still waiting for the people you speak for to grow a pair and speak for themselves.
A lot of people that fish down there fish for several months worth of flesh and properly frozen have 6-9 months of shelf life.
No one else here with much more experience and clout than your own have said a word about any abuse of "our" waters as you refer to them nor any comment of bag limits.
Crawl back in your hole and wait to reply to something you actually know about, maybe gate codes or something.
I would never use that as an insult as you have done before. I say this as to the speculation that you are not who you claim to be.
I know that I keep allowing myself to get dragged into your posts that make it seem as you are speaking for more than yourself.
It is myself allowing myself to sink to your level and I will accept responsibility for that.
That being said, I still think that it is you that are berating a fellow forum member having drawn very positive attention to their thread in an attempt to make them look bad.
You have accused and once again talked down to another forum member and it's gets under my skin. Probably always will.
Sound as you actually have the very traits you accuse me of, making us equal.
PPRES: Its not worth my time and effort to reply to someone like you. I hope someday you become a better, happier person and get more out of life.
You seem derisive, like other tourist posters here when their contra-Penasco posts are questioned.
You do not deny it, so the overkill of fish in your photo was at your hands. Congratulations.
hillbearto says the fillets will be fine in your freezer for up to 9 months !
If our opinion of your overfishing, above, is wrong, tell us all why it's wrong. Us folks who live here don't want to discourage responsible tourists, but we will defend what we have from folks plundering our waters and then bragging about their exploits. Bragging is fine, except when it might encourage others who are wanting to emulate in our waters.
I would never use that as an insult as you have done before. I say this as to the speculation that you are not who you claim to be.
I know that I keep allowing myself to get dragged into your posts that make it seem as you are speaking for more than yourself.
It is myself allowing myself to sink to your level and I will accept responsibility for that.
That being said, I still think that it is you that are berating a fellow forum member having drawn very positive attention to their thread in an attempt to make them look bad.
You have accused and once again talked down to another forum member and it's gets under my skin. Probably always will.
Sound as you actually have the very traits you accuse me of, making us equal.
Can you send this again in more clear Spanish or English? ...not sure about what you are saying. If you are drinking tonight, tomorrow when you sober up will be fine.
BTW, 50 pounds per car non commercial is the law.
Assuming he and his few buddies were all in the same car, what was on the table in the photo once all is said and done might have been 50lbs. maybe a little more. Even split 3 ways well within the law and if they weren't all in the same vehicle no laws have been broken.
No caviar, Tuna or anchovies which are subject to quota, again no bag limits nor laws have been broken.
I hate to break the news to you, Einstein, but USA customs rules are not the law in Mx. What you are allowed to take to USA has nothing to do with what you can fish for here. Believe it or not, Mx is a different country.
Can you try for better posts? We want to hear from you if it's a bit more informed.
Only one rod or line with hook is permitted in the water, per person, but there is no restriction regarding the number of replacement items.
The fishing license allows you to capture only fin fish. It does not allow you to capture any mollusks or crustaceans, and their capture by anyone is strictly prohibited. Totuava, turtles and marine mammals are under protection of the Ministry and may not be captured at any time. Share with:
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The exception to this rule is Marlin, Sailfish and Swordfish and Shark, of which only one (1) of each is allowed, and which counts as five (5) toward the overall ten (10) fish limit. Additionally Dorado, Roosterfish, Shad, or Tarpon, of which only two (2) of each species are allowed, and which count as five (5) toward the overall 10 fish limit.
Like we said, a little confusing so here are some example of daily limits. Remember you can always come back tomorrow. Bag Limits
Ok, so here goes the fishing regulations are like this, The daily limit is ten fish per permit holder.
Sounds simple enough but it get´s complicated when you start catching fish like Marlin or Dorado or Shark.
In ocean waters and estuaries the limit is a total of ten (10) fish per day, with no more than five (5) catches of a single species. Examples of Daily Limit
• One Marlin and 2 Dorado or
• One Sailfish and One Marlin or
• 2 Dorado and 2 Roosterfish or
• One Shark and One Marlin or
• One Marlin and 5 Amberjack
From Bajainsider.com
You seem derisive, like other tourist posters here when their contra-Penasco posts are questioned.
You do not deny it, so the overkill of fish in your photo was at your hands. Congratulations.
hillbearto says the fillets will be fine in your freezer for up to 9 months !
If our opinion of your overfishing, above, is wrong, tell us all why it's wrong. Us folks who live here don't want to discourage responsible tourists, but we will defend what we have from folks plundering our waters and then bragging about their exploits. Bragging is fine, except when it might encourage others who are wanting to emulate in our waters.
Are you a supporter of Penasco fishing?
this is nothing compared to the commercial guys...fish away boys!
The over take also bothers me. The limits are to low but there is a reasonable amount and that amount is up to you.
The rely bad thing I see are the netters working the just off shore on the first reef. They take everything that get in the net AND MOST OF THESE ARE BABY FISH.
No younger fish surviving no larger fish to catch.
In front of PDO rv park it is not uncommon to see hand laid nets about 100 ft long from shore out and not just one but several.
Yuma James: if all the dead fish in the pics above are not from your efforts , let us know.
If the big haul of fish is from him: Yuma James appears to be an occasional tourist fisher, very good at landing copious numbers of fish when he visits PP. It seems he knows Mexico is a foreign tourist spot that has fish limit laws that are not enforced, so the urge to take advantage and overfish/plunder in our waters was apparently insurmountable. We expect he cares little about the welfare of the fishing industry in Rocky Point for so long as he can keep this up. When the fish run out we will hear him blaming Mexicans for overfishing !
We hoped someone posting here would have suggested to him "catch and release, conservation, catch enough for dinner" etc. Unless he's feeding fish to the poor folks here in Penasco, all the meat he killed will get freezer burned before it is ever eaten.
Hopefully the CEDO/Marina folks will start enforcing the limit laws. One boat, Mexican or Gringo, confiscated and forfeited, might solve this problem.
Confiscate no, might get fined and boat impounded for a day for going over the limit.
Well first of all, I would like to extend my gratitude and pass a huge thanks to all of those on this thread who are accusing me ferociously murdering magnitudes of fish in Rocky Point this last week. It's really gone to my head, never before in my life have I ever be accused of over-fishing. I don't know what to do wish all this unexpected fame, I truly feel like Zeus, Master of all Rocky Point Fisherman. Unfortunately the reality of it all is if any of you ever came fishing with me, you'd realize how bad I suck as a fisherman and how wrong you all are.
In sincerely appreciate the valid comments in regards to overfishing and conservation, as an outdoorsman I also firmly believe in conservation. But I think some of the comments are a little blown out of proportion because if you look closely at the table of fish we caught there really wasn't that many fish since four of us were fishing on the boat. Did we exceed the daily limit, yes, but really not by that much. We eat everything we consume, I've already eaten about 1/2 the fish I caught, and truly anyone who boats in Rocky Point knows at least 3/4 of the year its too windy to get out there, and some of the times I have gone out to deeper waters I've caught way under my limit. So last week, the first time in months, we got a good catch, went a little over our limit, in the big picture I know I don't overfish. If I did this everyday it would be a different story, but I only go fishing to Rocky Point once about every 2-3 months. And really, for every one fish I catch a year a commercial fisherman probably catches at least 1000.
But mostly importantly, please don't let this feeling of being Rocky Point's Master Fishing King that's gone to my head go away.
In sincerely appreciate the valid comments in regards to overfishing and conservation, as an outdoorsman I also firmly believe in conservation. But I think some of the comments are a little blown out of proportion because if you look closely at the table of fish we caught there really wasn't that many fish since four of us were fishing on the boat. Did we exceed the daily limit, yes, but really not by that much. We eat everything we consume, I've already eaten about 1/2 the fish I caught, and truly anyone who boats in Rocky Point knows at least 3/4 of the year its too windy to get out there, and some of the times I have gone out to deeper waters I've caught way under my limit. So last week, the first time in months, we got a good catch, went a little over our limit, in the big picture I know I don't overfish. If I did this everyday it would be a different story, but I only go fishing to Rocky Point once about every 2-3 months. And really, for every one fish I catch a year a commercial fisherman probably catches at least 1000.
OK James Im going to need one of those fish to run some tests on it, to see if it was over caught or not.
Hey, I really don't get a chance to get down there much lately with my boat. But just want to say that I wish there were more days like that. Congrats on the catch and considering the cost per pound to catch them after you come down and rent a condo for $150 a night, usually 3 or 4 nights minimum then go to the local restaurant's to eat, and to the local drinking establishments to drink. Then you hire a local guide for around a $100 per day. Of course you go to the local curio shops to get mementos, go to the local gas stations for gas and I forgot, you also have to buy a fishing permit for $40 per person per year. And who is this person who is complaining about over fishing and not supporting the local citizens.
Hey, I really don't get a chance to get down there much lately with my boat. But just want to say that I wish there were more days like that. Congrats on the catch and considering the cost per pound to catch them after you come down and rent a condo for $150 a night, usually 3 or 4 nights minimum then go to the local restaurant's to eat, and to the local drinking establishments to drink. Then you hire a local guide for around a $100 per day. Of course you go to the local curio shops to get mementos, go to the local gas stations for gas and I forgot, you also have to buy a fishing permit for $40 per person per year. And who is this person who is complaining about over fishing and not supporting the local citizens.
Stuart finally ended that persons nonsense here.
As I had said to that person, no one but her had any issues with his catch. It was actually a nice thread.
But I think some of the comments are a little blown out of proportion because if you look closely at the table of fish we caught there really wasn't that many fish since four of us were fishing on the boat.
I assumed that it was not a one-man slaughter. Never is on my boat, usually three or four guys and we're always very close to limits. Looks like a huge ol' pile of fish on the table when Arturo is cleaning them, but if you did an actual head count on people/fish, the numbers would be very close to (or often under) actual limits. As you said, even if you/we are a fish or two over, nothing goes to waste. And there are many days (especially grouper hunting) where we never even catch a limit. One or two and we're done for the day.
Most sportfishermen are indeed conservationists. I have ran into a few yahoos bragging about catching over 100 fish on a panga charter during dinner. I asked what they caught - "I dunno, some small gray fish," Triggerfish, I'm sure. You won't find a single panga guy that stops fishing because "they have a limit," unfortunately. In the days before I had my own boat, I ticked 'em off by releasing small fish. They keep EVERYTHING that comes into the boat.
I was going to mention the panga trips, but I was sure she had never been near one of the panga boats before. They don't throw anything back. If it's to small to worry about filleting then they are the right size for bait as far as the captains are concerned.
It just goes back to my assumption she or whoever JWT was wasn't spending any time in what I see as the real Puerto Peñasco.
Do not let yourself fall to their level of public speaking.
I found this incredibly condescending post to be a bit rich, coming from someone who rarely puts an English sentence together properly and is replete with spelling errors.
I found this incredibly condescending post to be a bit rich, coming from someone who rarely puts an English sentence together properly and is replete with spelling errors.
I found this incredibly condescending post to be a bit rich, coming from someone who rarely puts an English sentence together properly and is replete with spelling errors.
Really???? Please, PULEEZZZ talk about a supercilious post. This post is why at times I wish there was a "dislike" category. It would rank in the top 10.
Really???? Please, PULEEZZZ talk about a supercilious post. This post is why at times I wish there was a "dislike" category. It would rank in the top 10.
Try the ignore function then but otherwise try writing a comprehensible post next time.
I think the dislike button would be more effective at letting you know what people think of your post.
I think you could have used a comma in that sentence?
I can see that I may have to start using emoticons FFS.
I can also see where you might have have had lot's of personal experience, having been on the receiving end of dislike buttons. :)
Commas are optional with conjunctions, but can also be dispensed with if the reader can read fast enough.:rolleyes::)
I just thought a comma and a small pause would have given your reply a lil more uuumff. o_O
And just because a person doesn't like your post doesn't mean they should have to ignore you. :)
Your issue with wood spinners comment and subsequent replies have shown you find no humor in his or others posts. :(
Not speaking for Stuart, but nothing I saw showed he was insulted by wood spinners comment . So in retrospect your reply to wood spinner in itself was condescending. It was more or less completely UN-necessary. :eek:
No need for this to turn into a battle, I was just trying to make light of the situation. :cool:
What the hell? I started this thread to share the great time I had fishing, got a few positive replies, shared a couple fishing GPS coordinates, and now guys are scrapping and arguing about commas, punctuation, and emoticons. My 16 year daughter cares about that stuff, and guess what, when I'm on my boat I don't give the slightest crap about commas, punctuation, and emoticons. Like Stuart said and I 100% agree, THE FISHING FORUM IS SACRED so lets keep it sacred. I'm not aiming at anyone specific, but if anyone wants to scrap about emoticons and punctuation then move on over to Rants and Raves. Its my thread, I own it, so this thread is only for those who want to talk about fishing in a positive way.
Ok, obviously my attempt at humor has gone array. Guess others don't find me as funny as I find myself.
At one point I was defending your catch and your thread. Now I am guilty of contributing to it's delinquency. Therefore I apologize and beg your forgiveness.
All and all it's not a bad thing to stop and take a look at our own practices out on the water. Like James I was out on the 51 when it got hot and heavy and we caught a obscene amount of fish. Everything from flounder to a Skip jack with a good sized Squid thrown in for good measure. We were so caught up with the killing and eating that was going on down there that in a sense, we became part of it. No question that we were over the limit and knew it, but it was like being, I don't know, just caught up in it. It was a bite of a lifetime and we dropped until the sun went down! Of course the fish were not wasted but still... I wouldn't do it again and I'm still a little surprised and a little ashamed that I did. Being human I guess.
Nice fish Hillbeartoe, those are awesome pan fried.
Your above post was perfect, Kenny, agree with you 100%. When they start hitting it's impossible to stop. Let's be honest, I've rarely seen a boat come back from Area 51 within their limits, but then again they're not that much over. It all gets eaten and I may be wrong, but I don't think sport fishing has much of an impact in the Rocky Point area in comparison to commercial fishing. Every hunter and fisherman I've met recognizes and practices conservation, we love Mother Nature that's why we're out there, maybe we go a little over our limits at times, but really in the big picture I dont think its that big of a deal.
Ok, obviously my attempt at humor has gone array. Guess others don't find me as funny as I find myself.
At one point I was defending your catch and your thread. Now I am guilty of contributing to it's delinquency. Therefore I apologize and beg your forgiveness.
Sorry Mr. Yuma
No worries here either Mr H. for what it's worth.:)
yeah just remember all the times you didn't get limits or anything at all. I have fished many a time and got nothing but a good lesson on what not to do to catch fish.Leigh
yeah just remember all the times you didn't get limits or anything at all. I have fished many a time and got nothing but a good lesson on what not to do to catch fish.Leigh
Well we sure made up for the bad day's Leigh. We filled two underdeck fish holds, one on each side; the coffin ice chest and there were fish tails sticking up out of the live bait well! The Gods smiled at us one the way back in the dark though. There was plankton in the water and the splash off the bow and the prop wash were luminous and sparkling in the moons glow. It was beautiful.
Oh, and we hit port during high tide and we could almost pull right up to the ramp at Cholla. The fish were cleaned right there on the wall and more than few of the locals and probably some gawker's as well took fresh fish home with them.
Wow sounds like a once in a lifetime trip. Very cool. I've had a couple in Lobos and San Diego also. Everything works out just so right that you wonder if life is going to end or something. Leigh
All and all it's not a bad thing to stop and take a look at our own practices out on the water. Like James I was out on the 51 when it got hot and heavy and we caught a obscene amount of fish. Everything from flounder to a Skip jack with a good sized Squid thrown in for good measure. We were so caught up with the killing and eating that was going on down there that in a sense, we became part of it. No question that we were over the limit and knew it, but it was like being, I don't know, just caught up in it. It was a bite of a lifetime and we dropped until the sun went down! Of course the fish were not wasted but still... I wouldn't do it again and I'm still a little surprised and a little ashamed that I did. Being human I guess.
Maybe you should cross post this to the discussion about addictions ??!!:eek::D:rolleyes:
Maybe you should cross post this to the discussion about addictions ??!!:eek::D:rolleyes:
Well if we're going to go in that direction, I guess you could say I was on a binge but that was a aberration for me and it's not been repeated. It was the way most everyone fish out of Cholla when I was a kid, so it could have been a long ago learned behavior that resurfaced like some dormant disease. Or it could just be a character defect.:(
Went out to 50 areas Friday Feb 6th with a few buddies. Incredible weather, absolutely perfect all day. Lots of white sea bass, grouper (nothing big), calico, rabbit fish, sheep head. Awesome day!
