jerry said:Jan. 9 high tide in the middle of the night might do the job
How did that high tide work for you?
How did that high tide work for you?
Santo Tomas pictures
Started by jerry · May 15, 2014 · 242 replies
How did that high tide work for you?
Tonight is our best shot getting rid of the fifty feet of oil and guts
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Maybe you'll get lucky. I suggest buying some powerball tickets. If it's your lucky day you win big. If not, you stink.
Jerry hows the whale smelling lmao
asprinkles said:Jerry hows the whale smelling lmao
Lee," words escape me ". Was all my buddy on site told me yesterday.....the flies are epic too.....winds coming I hear...maybe another shot at putting it in front of your porch!
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NOOOOOOOOOOO Thanks. I believe winds are from the north this time of year.
NOOOOOOOOOO thanks. I believe the winds come from the north this time of year. Leigh
Looks like the wind is a bust....if I have to get my chain saw out.........
jerry said:Looks like the wind is a bust....if I have to get my chain saw out.........
Ummm, some very strategically placed dynamite and a good tide?
Damn shame, poor thing .
Well the huge tides the last few days moved it south right in front of lot 1 (house is for sale...a good deal once this guy moves on) . Stinky!
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It now appears Belgian Boy make get a complete whale skeleton in front of his new beach house!
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jerry said:It now appears Belgian Boy make get a complete whale skeleton in front of his new beach house!
Hope you got a finders fee
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jerry said:It now appears Belgian Boy make get a complete whale skeleton in front of his new beach house!
First time for everything :)
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Bill Sison,ex marine that looks like a Middle Ages Druid moved from Cholla bay to Santo Tomas 5 years ago. He once decided to cut up a beached whale and made a huge dent in it.....ended up stinkying like dead whale for a week
where is my daily whale picture jerry
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Who painted that picture?
MIRAMAR said:Who painted that picture?
It's a photo with A Prisma filter....damn thing is addictivr
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I'd like to have a pair of sunglasses that make stuff look like that!
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J: Your pic would make a great piece of art for the wall.
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There are some mushrooms that appear after a monsoon rain meets cow pies that cause that effect on a empty stomach
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Should get Victoria's Hormiga to paint this picture.
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my entry flowers and lobos from the air a while back......note the road south of San Jorge is in awesome condition.Be aware of a new anti drug squad driving new unmarked Volkswagon Anorak pickups( nice) stopping new trucks on La Costera....no uniforms,they have police lights and come up to your window with submachine guns ready...see you are gringos and let you go! Also the guy at the Sonoyta redcross stop is letting people head south up the hill and claiming you are going 60kph....He wants to settle...tells you the fin is 2500 pesos at the station....he takes your license if you say no deal and the ticket at the station is 500 pesos....dont pay on the road!!!
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I have had several dealings with this guy, total scam. My new tactic is to always follow someone through that particular part of town.
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Right above Leigh's place on the point. Good times.
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Fresh caught Grouper...think I like it better than Lobster..👍 6
turtles were hatching down here last night too....!
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Like many of you beach rats I had a lot of dead sea creature skulls in my yard...decided to launch them on mini Seri style burial rafts back to their relm.👍 3
Very sweet Jerry..............
You should get an honorary Seri Indian tribal membership.
What form of flotation did you use? Looks like the original Arrow Weed that those Indios used back in the old days, actually not that long ago. Correctly nautically known as a balsa craft, not necessarily made from balsa wood but anything that can be bundled to produce a naturally buoyant platform for laying on to fish or dive from. They were even used in fresh water by the Incas on lake Titty Caca in the high Andes. I'll probably find it beached next weekend and add it to my collection of Mexican death artifacts. That casco de bull Lobo Del Mar was probably terminated with extreme prejudice by the local PP shrimp trawlers with their rifles ilegal that they carry on every boat and use shoot every protected marine mammal they can get their sights on.
If you feel really industrious why not make one large enough to carry the half wit from the half white house and send him to the bottom with a remote auto sink app from your smart phone. Probably contaminate the Sea for many years to come!
JJ
You should get an honorary Seri Indian tribal membership.
What form of flotation did you use? Looks like the original Arrow Weed that those Indios used back in the old days, actually not that long ago. Correctly nautically known as a balsa craft, not necessarily made from balsa wood but anything that can be bundled to produce a naturally buoyant platform for laying on to fish or dive from. They were even used in fresh water by the Incas on lake Titty Caca in the high Andes. I'll probably find it beached next weekend and add it to my collection of Mexican death artifacts. That casco de bull Lobo Del Mar was probably terminated with extreme prejudice by the local PP shrimp trawlers with their rifles ilegal that they carry on every boat and use shoot every protected marine mammal they can get their sights on.
If you feel really industrious why not make one large enough to carry the half wit from the half white house and send him to the bottom with a remote auto sink app from your smart phone. Probably contaminate the Sea for many years to come!
JJ
Jungle Jim said:Very sweet Jerry..............
You should get an honorary Seri Indian tribal membership.
What form of flotation did you use? Looks like the original Arrow Weed that those Indios used back in the old days, actually not that long ago. Correctly nautically known as a balsa craft, not necessarily made from balsa wood but anything that can be bundled to produce a naturally buoyant platform for laying on to fish or dive from. They were even used in fresh water by the Incas on lake Titty Caca in the high Andes. I'll probably find it beached next weekend and add it to my collection of Mexican death artifacts. That casco de bull Lobo Del Mar was probably terminated with extreme prejudice by the local PP shrimp trawlers with their rifles ilegal that they carry on every boat and use shoot every protected marine mammal they can get their sights on.
If you feel really industrious why not make one large enough to carry the half wit from the half white house and send him to the bottom with a remote auto sink app from your smart phone. Probably contaminate the Sea for many years to come!
JJ
Thanks Jim, actually they don't float to well....no human remains planned for my death rafts....I am planning on building a towable swim raft I can moor to that Ww2 Grumman fighter motor just off shored http://the-wanderling.com/hellcat.html Someone stripped the 50cals off the wreck two years ago....still hoping to find a jap mini sub http://the-wanderling.com/hellcat.html
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Interesting link to the Hellcat...........
Had no idea you were so famous Jerry!
I've been hitting that wreck for at least twenty years now. Never knew what sort of aircraft it was. Always timed my meetings there with super low tides in order to collect a bucket full of Gulf Blue Crab claws. Daytime comes and the water recedes leaving the crabs with no cover so they burrow into the sand against anything they can find. Locate a rock, whale bone or a WWII Hellcat and you're in for a crab haul! Most times I just tickle them out of the sand along the forward edges of the wings and I'll end up with fifty or sixty of them. I grab them with a pair of barbecue tongs then break off the big pincers with my fingers and let em go to grow a new pair. Then scoot back to PP and boil them in a pot spiced up with Cajun Crab Boil, talk about heavenly! Only thing they might need is a dip into a bowl of melted butter with a squirt of a fresh cut Mexican Lime juice.
As for US WWII fighter aircraft operating in Mexico it was nothing unusual at all. US Army pilots in training would search out anything big enough to use as a target for a good gun run. The Sierra del Rosario range located in the Altar Dunes has some gigantic granite boulders that eons ago tumbled down the south facing slopes. One of them is at least sixty feet tall and split in half to form two ideal smooth slabs for aerial gunning and running. There are untold millions of 50 cal. and 20 mm. brass and steel casings scattered around them. The slabs are pock marked with thousands of hits and the desert sands nearby have so many steel armor piercing projectiles that you would be stunned. We used to camp there regularly until the narcos took over the area.
Also, on that stretch of beach are some really vast beds of natural clay that extinct Indios used to make their big storage pots known as ollas in modern day terms. Above the bank there are dozens of rock heaps and shell middens where they camped, ate sea food, made pottery and fired it up with the abundant Mesquite wood there. Out on the seaside edges of the clay beds where the clay meets the sand is a super good area for the Blue Crabs. If you look closely you will find hundreds of holes in the clay that are the burrows of a type of rock and wood boring clam known a the Piddock. They are quite easy to dig out of the clay with your hunting knife and are a delicious treat to eat. They look like a mini version of the big Horse Dick clams with a very small shell compared to the amount of meat. The tail ends of the shell halves are covered with short spines that resemble a carpenters rasp. The use these to twist and grind away the sides of their burrows as they grow. Those that I've collected there are sometimes up to four inches long and you can't judge the size of the clam by the size of the hole opening as the clam only needs the opening to be large enough to get it's siphons into the water.
When I was a kid in Newport Beach I used to paddle my surf board up to old wood dock pilings and dig them out with a knife. They were much larger than the ones in the Sea of Cortez, sometimes up to six inches long and just three or four would make a delicious meal. Gone are the days.
Later,
JJ
Had no idea you were so famous Jerry!
I've been hitting that wreck for at least twenty years now. Never knew what sort of aircraft it was. Always timed my meetings there with super low tides in order to collect a bucket full of Gulf Blue Crab claws. Daytime comes and the water recedes leaving the crabs with no cover so they burrow into the sand against anything they can find. Locate a rock, whale bone or a WWII Hellcat and you're in for a crab haul! Most times I just tickle them out of the sand along the forward edges of the wings and I'll end up with fifty or sixty of them. I grab them with a pair of barbecue tongs then break off the big pincers with my fingers and let em go to grow a new pair. Then scoot back to PP and boil them in a pot spiced up with Cajun Crab Boil, talk about heavenly! Only thing they might need is a dip into a bowl of melted butter with a squirt of a fresh cut Mexican Lime juice.
As for US WWII fighter aircraft operating in Mexico it was nothing unusual at all. US Army pilots in training would search out anything big enough to use as a target for a good gun run. The Sierra del Rosario range located in the Altar Dunes has some gigantic granite boulders that eons ago tumbled down the south facing slopes. One of them is at least sixty feet tall and split in half to form two ideal smooth slabs for aerial gunning and running. There are untold millions of 50 cal. and 20 mm. brass and steel casings scattered around them. The slabs are pock marked with thousands of hits and the desert sands nearby have so many steel armor piercing projectiles that you would be stunned. We used to camp there regularly until the narcos took over the area.
Also, on that stretch of beach are some really vast beds of natural clay that extinct Indios used to make their big storage pots known as ollas in modern day terms. Above the bank there are dozens of rock heaps and shell middens where they camped, ate sea food, made pottery and fired it up with the abundant Mesquite wood there. Out on the seaside edges of the clay beds where the clay meets the sand is a super good area for the Blue Crabs. If you look closely you will find hundreds of holes in the clay that are the burrows of a type of rock and wood boring clam known a the Piddock. They are quite easy to dig out of the clay with your hunting knife and are a delicious treat to eat. They look like a mini version of the big Horse Dick clams with a very small shell compared to the amount of meat. The tail ends of the shell halves are covered with short spines that resemble a carpenters rasp. The use these to twist and grind away the sides of their burrows as they grow. Those that I've collected there are sometimes up to four inches long and you can't judge the size of the clam by the size of the hole opening as the clam only needs the opening to be large enough to get it's siphons into the water.
When I was a kid in Newport Beach I used to paddle my surf board up to old wood dock pilings and dig them out with a knife. They were much larger than the ones in the Sea of Cortez, sometimes up to six inches long and just three or four would make a delicious meal. Gone are the days.
Later,
JJ
Jungle Jim said:Interesting link to the Hellcat...........
Had no idea you were so famous Jerry!
I've been hitting that wreck for at least twenty years now. Never knew what sort of aircraft it was. Always timed my meetings there with super low tides in order to collect a bucket full of Gulf Blue Crab claws. Daytime comes and the water recedes leaving the crabs with no cover so they burrow into the sand against anything they can find. Locate a rock, whale bone or a WWII Hellcat and you're in for a crab haul! Most times I just tickle them out of the sand along the forward edges of the wings and I'll end up with fifty or sixty of them. I grab them with a pair of barbecue tongs then break off the big pincers with my fingers and let em go to grow a new pair. Then scoot back to PP and boil them in a pot spiced up with Cajun Crab Boil, talk about heavenly! Only thing they might need is a dip into a bowl of melted butter with a squirt of a fresh cut Mexican Lime juice.
As for US WWII fighter aircraft operating in Mexico it was nothing unusual at all. US Army pilots in training would search out anything big enough to use as a target for a good gun run. The Sierra del Rosario range located in the Altar Dunes has some gigantic granite boulders that eons ago tumbled down the south facing slopes. One of them is at least sixty feet tall and split in half to form two ideal smooth slabs for aerial gunning and running. There are untold millions of 50 cal. and 20 mm. brass and steel casings scattered around them. The slabs are pock marked with thousands of hits and the desert sands nearby have so many steel armor piercing projectiles that you would be stunned. We used to camp there regularly until the narcos took over the area.
Also, on that stretch of beach are some really vast beds of natural clay that extinct Indios used to make their big storage pots known as ollas in modern day terms. Above the bank there are dozens of rock heaps and shell middens where they camped, ate sea food, made pottery and fired it up with the abundant Mesquite wood there. Out on the seaside edges of the clay beds where the clay meets the sand is a super good area for the Blue Crabs. If you look closely you will find hundreds of holes in the clay that are the burrows of a type of rock and wood boring clam known a the Piddock. They are quite easy to dig out of the clay with your hunting knife and are a delicious treat to eat. They look like a mini version of the big Horse Dick clams with a very small shell compared to the amount of meat. The tail ends of the shell halves are covered with short spines that resemble a carpenters rasp. The use these to twist and grind away the sides of their burrows as they grow. Those that I've collected there are sometimes up to four inches long and you can't judge the size of the clam by the size of the hole opening as the clam only needs the opening to be large enough to get it's siphons into the water.
When I was a kid in Newport Beach I used to paddle my surf board up to old wood dock pilings and dig them out with a knife. They were much larger than the ones in the Sea of Cortez, sometimes up to six inches long and just three or four would make a delicious meal. Gone are the days.
Later,
JJ
Good info! A mile south a 200 foot plus antennae went up last week.It has wind speed sensors every 50 feet.....maybe this wind farm is real....crap......https://www.youtube.com/embed/-kfNod8KQo8
I tried to copy it to send to a friend but couldn't capture it.
marybna said:I tried to copy it to send to a friend but couldn't capture it.
Should be able to do it or put the key words in video title in Google search
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Great job. I hope they did not just borrow the truck to pick something up!
not sure what the story was but I imagine beer played a part
Adivino tequila y mota
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neighbors went fishing yesterday...saw a whale or 3 too
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How far out?
marybna said:How far out?
Usually 5-7 miles out you see them this month...not sure in this case
Nothing like cold beer and burnt pizza at the beach....love my pizza oven but the cook shown here really needed to be drinking less...watching pizza more
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From Arturo in Lobos facebook: 2060412637513780
Well it's nice when you are down on a "work on the damn house" trip by yourself and a Mexican friend brings you over supper......
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Sweet moat! But why?
Estero said:Sweet moat! But why?
Oh brother , I hope they actually finish it.The plan is a lazy river leading to a pool with a neg edge.They are building in hou
se but dozer broke...hired four extra guys with shovels...then they plan to knock down the old beach club that is about to be a global warming casualty...hope it works!
How nice! Attractive too!
Those old used ore hauler tires just give it the ambience of romantico Olde Me-He-Ko. The broken slabs of olde concreto just add to the un-pleasant-ness.
I can see that the Juancitos have taken residence on the embankment. Maybe some Burrowing Owls and Fishing Bats as well. Better call the Mezzican Tree huggers to make sure no one is going to protest.
Might be a good set for the next Mad Max sequel: "Olde Max Gone Mex".
JJ
Those old used ore hauler tires just give it the ambience of romantico Olde Me-He-Ko. The broken slabs of olde concreto just add to the un-pleasant-ness.
I can see that the Juancitos have taken residence on the embankment. Maybe some Burrowing Owls and Fishing Bats as well. Better call the Mezzican Tree huggers to make sure no one is going to protest.
Might be a good set for the next Mad Max sequel: "Olde Max Gone Mex".
JJ
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tried to film the bats last week....need a faster flash
. Need to go back
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Where is this Jerry?
Isla Guardia
jerry said:. Need to go back
Need to go with.
Arturo in Lobos took this on yesterdayye glass like water.facebook: 2080655308822846
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Whale shark. I heard they've been around Lobos lately. Plant eaters that don't attack people. I understand that swimming with the whale sharks is a popular tourist activity in the Carribean.
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Santo Tomas fishing looks good today....Scott and Kathy had good catch.
Matt had good luck in lobos today
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LaCurva Agua Chili by the Desemboque turn off is a good one...👍 2
jerry said:Santo Tomas fishing looks good today....Scott and Kathy had good catch.
The fish on the right with the gal look like Totoaba?
Robusto said:The fish on the right with the gal look like Totoaba?
Very possible but sadly sometimes you can't release them.The bladder just bursts.
jerry said:Santo Tomas fishing looks good today....Scott and Kathy had good catch.
I know yet it's been a dream of mine to catch one for decades.... Until now my boat has only been big enough to cruise around the inside reefs by the estuary and fish the pilings by the pier, but recently got bigger faster boat to get me to some of the spots.
Robusto said:I know yet it's been a dream of mine to catch one for decades.... Until now my boat has only been big enough to cruise around the inside reefs by the estuary and fish the pilings by the pier, but recently got bigger faster boat to get me to some of the spots.
Well try to stick with White sea bass.The Marines might shoot your boat full of holes if they stopped you!
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Mango season at the ejido...
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jerry said:Well try to stick with White sea bass.The Marines might shoot your boat full of holes if they stopped you!
I know Jerry I'm very aware of the laws governing the poor Totoaba and Vaquita
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My friend and kids are had a good week at Santo tomas
Hey, we stole that land fair and square!
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How to clean a puffer
How to clean a puffer
RIP Scott's launch truck "la Bamba" broke down and the tide waits for no man...Last edited: Sep 8, 2018 at 5:24 AM
jerry said:
Oh no! That looks like it's just left of the road down.
Kenny said:Oh no! That looks like it's just left of the road down.
Yep ,A mechanical problem at the wrong time...it was a good launcher
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jerry said:Yep ,A mechanical problem at the wrong time...it was a good launcher
Where was everyone Jerry? Him being that close, you'd think he might have gotten some help.
Kenny said:Where was everyone Jerry? Him being that close, you'd think he might have gotten some help.
Sort of bad luck...not to many people around and no one with a vehicle that could drag that thing
jerry said:Sort of bad luck...not to many people around and no one with a vehicle that could drag that thing
I noticed there wasn't anyone around watching or any vehicles. You know what the say, "Timing is everything"
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Dont think Scott will mind me sharing .he is having a blast !Matt did ok fishing with Woody last weekend too.
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Anyone interested in running the beach from Santo Tomas up to Salinas Point this weekend?
We will be having breakfast at Giuseppie's tomorrow around 11:00 AM. Look for my souped up Wrangler Rubicon parked in front.
JJ
We will be having breakfast at Giuseppie's tomorrow around 11:00 AM. Look for my souped up Wrangler Rubicon parked in front.
JJ
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Didn’t they finally end up tugging that whale carcass out to see? Wait SEA, so they didn’t have to see.
randy and patty said:
Didn’t they finally end up tugging that whale carcass out to see? Wait SEA, so they didn’t have to see.
No, it was deboned by Santo Tomas homeowners and became yard art
Last Saturday we counted eleven dead Olive Ridley Sea Turtles on the Salinas Point beach, mostly fresh dead and still bloody red meat. Our first encounter with a new species, the Hawksbill Sea Turtle, found two very fresh, a male and a female, probably no more than a day dead and stranded on the outgoing tide. The Zopilotes were in a frantic feeding frenzy! In the past ten years we have also found two Giant Leatherback Sea Turtles on that beach.
I actually considered taking home one of their huge front flippers for the barbie that night. Did remove the head from the adult male. It now resides in my garden of death in Mirador. The stink on Sunday morning was incredible, attracting a swarm of death flies that will certainly feed our two adult Side-Blotched Lizards for a few months.
Saw more wild burrows at the first salina heading back to the border. Counted thirteen this time. I stopped and walked out with a green apple as bait. They all took off in a wild stampede heading back towards the beach at Adair Bay.
JJ
I actually considered taking home one of their huge front flippers for the barbie that night. Did remove the head from the adult male. It now resides in my garden of death in Mirador. The stink on Sunday morning was incredible, attracting a swarm of death flies that will certainly feed our two adult Side-Blotched Lizards for a few months.
Saw more wild burrows at the first salina heading back to the border. Counted thirteen this time. I stopped and walked out with a green apple as bait. They all took off in a wild stampede heading back towards the beach at Adair Bay.
JJ
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Jungle Jim said:
Last Saturday we counted eleven dead Olive Ridley Sea Turtles on the Salinas Point beach, mostly fresh dead and still bloody red meat. Our first encounter with a new species, the Hawksbill Sea Turtle, found two very fresh, a male and a female, probably no more than a day dead and stranded on the outgoing tide. The Zopilotes were in a frantic feeding frenzy! In the past ten years we have also found two Giant Leatherback Sea Turtles on that beach.
I actually considered taking home one of their huge front flippers for the barbie that night. Did remove the head from the adult male. It now resides in my garden of death in Mirador. The stink on Sunday morning was incredible, attracting a swarm of death flies that will certainly feed our two adult Side-Blotched Lizards for a few months.
Saw more wild burrows at the first salina heading back to the border. Counted thirteen this time. I stopped and walked out with a green apple as bait. They all took off in a wild stampede heading back towards the beach at Adair Bay.
JJ
Hey Jungle did you get anyone to meet you and go with you? I would have really considered it if I was there. Sounded like a great day trip. How would my Ram 2500 diesel have done if I lowered my tire pressure?
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Hello Randy and Patty,
No, no one had any interest. We did it solo as always. No big deal.
The pangueros drive two wheel drive thirty year old trucks out there all of the time bringing home the loot of the Sea for the Caborca restaurants and the Murex pressure cookers close by. They usually wait till low tide and drive on the compacted wet sand with no problemas. Also usually have eight or ten dudes on board to push the trucks when they do get bogged down as we saw twice on that trip.
I always take a Scuba cylinder to air up my tires when we get back to the highway. The dry sand on the upper parts of the beach there is like fine powder but not a problem when we drop the tires down to ten psi. You will use a LOT of fuel when plowing thru those conditions so we always take at least ten gallons extra. The closest Pemex is twenty miles away towards Caborca or back to PP about sixty miles to home base.
I'll make a note on the forum ahead of our next trip in a few weeks.
JJ
No, no one had any interest. We did it solo as always. No big deal.
The pangueros drive two wheel drive thirty year old trucks out there all of the time bringing home the loot of the Sea for the Caborca restaurants and the Murex pressure cookers close by. They usually wait till low tide and drive on the compacted wet sand with no problemas. Also usually have eight or ten dudes on board to push the trucks when they do get bogged down as we saw twice on that trip.
I always take a Scuba cylinder to air up my tires when we get back to the highway. The dry sand on the upper parts of the beach there is like fine powder but not a problem when we drop the tires down to ten psi. You will use a LOT of fuel when plowing thru those conditions so we always take at least ten gallons extra. The closest Pemex is twenty miles away towards Caborca or back to PP about sixty miles to home base.
I'll make a note on the forum ahead of our next trip in a few weeks.
JJ
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randy and patty said:
Hey Jungle did you get anyone to meet you and go with you? I would have really considered it if I was there. Sounded like a great day trip. How would my Ram 2500 diesel have done if I lowered my tire pressure?
I wouldnt……that is such a heavy truck and sometimes out of nowhere you hit some soft silty sand.Stick a couple atvs in the back , park at the restaurant at Santo Tomas , eat a nice breakfast and blast north on the atvs ( your truck will be safe) , do a lunch at the Agua chili after cutting inland at Jaguey on the way back……then a beer of so on the beach at ST or the roof of the restaurant….then home. Jerry
Note my advice is old as I have been in Idaho the last few years and have not been around much.
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Old55 said:
I wouldnt……that is such a heavy truck and sometimes out of nowhere you hit some soft silty sand.Stick a couple atvs in the back , park at the restaurant at Santo Tomas , eat a nice breakfast and blast north on the atvs ( your truck will be safe) , do a lunch at the Agua chili after cutting inland at Jaguey on the way back……then a beer of so on the beach at ST or the roof of the restaurant….then home. Jerry
Note my advice is old as I have been in Idaho the last few years and have not been around much.
We were fishing at the Spit one year and a similar truck full of Narcos and blue barrels was stuck. We thought about it and helped get them out.They were from Sinaloa and mountain boys unfamiliar with the area…..a scary moment
Jungle Jim said:
Hello Randy and Patty,
No, no one had any interest. We did it solo as always. No big deal.
The pangueros drive two wheel drive thirty year old trucks out there all of the time bringing home the loot of the Sea for the Caborca restaurants and the Murex pressure cookers close by. They usually wait till low tide and drive on the compacted wet sand with no problemas. Also usually have eight or ten dudes on board to push the trucks when they do get bogged down as we saw twice on that trip.
I always take a Scuba cylinder to air up my tires when we get back to the highway. The dry sand on the upper parts of the beach there is like fine powder but not a problem when we drop the tires down to ten psi. You will use a LOT of fuel when plowing thru those conditions so we always take at least ten gallons extra. The closest Pemex is twenty miles away towards Caborca or back to PP about sixty miles to home base.
I'll make a note on the forum ahead of our next trip in a few weeks.
JJ
We want in on the next run or one of the next runs with the SEA-QUOIA before late Spring. I've been to the "spit" with Jerry and Kenny but never all the way to Salinas Point. Or even one of your runs you do out to La Pinta... Never been out there either. You saw the Sea-quoia, she's ready to eat all the way up the beach. I already have a rear locker with 4:88 gears in a Toyota 8.4" carrier that I was going to use for the Tacoma "race truck" but I think sooner than later we're going to buy another LOCKRIGHT ratcheting locker for the front Toyota 7.5" clamshell diff and install both in the Seaaaaaaaquoia to insure we never get stuck ever again. To be completely fool proof I'd also want 35" tires but right now we have 33's so pretty close to what is IMHO an absolutely fool proof, never get stuck beach vehicle for Mexico.
We went out past Tossorro last fall with a friend I grew up with. All Toyota gang. He was in his 4th Gen Toyota 4Runner with the 4.7v8, his buddy had a newer Toyota Landcruiser and then of course our Sequoia. All these donkeys were holleran at me to "lower my tire pressure" like it was the first time I'd ever been off roading. My reply, I'm too lazy for that shit. I don't lower the air pressure until the vehicle is stuck lol... then of course 12 pounds and she pulls right out. We have a factory center diff locker that acts similar to a diff lock when you're in 4L1 only though... but that machine is an absolute beast. She needs to eat on the beach SOON!
I can't remember if I already asked you, do you have factory lockers from Ford? With the wheels you have though I've read/seen dudes running 1 or 2lbs of air for sand and snow!!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFFF?! lololol 2PSI?????????????!
PS. I think we'll be down this weekend for a Grouper Hunt if the wind report holds true... let me know if you're in town.
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randy and patty said:
Hey Jungle did you get anyone to meet you and go with you? I would have really considered it if I was there. Sounded like a great day trip. How would my Ram 2500 diesel have done if I lowered my tire pressure?
Kind of pushing it with a 2500 but it's more about how you have the truck set up right now but also the weight is a huge factor as well. What does that thing weigh? We're around 6400 lbs I believe. You definitely need an AT tire. AT tires are less aggressive so you're not going to get that dig down in sand which is good. Mud tires dig down instead of float but that's what a mud tire is designed to do is dig straight down to find hardpack. Also, if you're 2500 dually then we should end the pipe dream here. If not proceed to step 3. Step 3, open diff???????? I don't know Dodge Chrysler that well but a 2500 should have Dana 60????? You have one ton axles so that's a bonus but we're talking about beach combing, not rock crawling. If that thing somehow has LSD diffs front and rear and you have a good off road AT tire it's definitely possible. The problem is going to be that diesel is HEAVY BOY and that's going to plow sand which equals rolling resistance which equals SKINNY PEDAL MAS SENOR MAS!!!! There are certain sections at the top of the beach as Jerry was saying that get POWDERY and deep. Once you make it through that section though, generally most of the beach is fairly compact or comparatively speaking.
It would pry also need at least 2 inches of lift just to give the MEATS a chance to flex and we don't want the pan to belly out on the sand as soon as you hit the gas. Some of those Dodge diesel duallys are llllooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. No chance. Crazy SOB's like me stubbornly run the beach in a 2WD truck but that's for only the most advanced race car drivers this side of the border. I think with your truck you'd want to have some experience in sand before trying a beach run. Hell, go over by Cholla Mountain and see what the vehicle can and can't do. It's really the only way to ever know. We have a super nice kinetic energy YANK EM rope that we still haven't had the pleasure of using so I'd be happy to be your back up if you want to try and BURRY that sucker!! LOL
Watch a few MATTS OFF ROAD RECOVERY on YouTube and you'll see plenty 2500's at Sand Hallow Utah getting stuck on the beach at the lake. Mostly a lot of those are related to stock tires, no lockers, no driver experience, low intelligence, AND THE MOST EVIL corporate of them all THE INFAMOUS 4x4 TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM. A lot of these new vehicles just can't go off roading anymore. It's sad. As soon as the computer feels tire slip it cuts power at the motor. So you're literally helpless. It's sad really!
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Here's an idea of how deep the sand is out where JJ and Jerry are talking. Notice the first 10 seconds that I start moving the truck it looks like I'm just crawling along????????????????? I'm giving her the beans and the crawling and sliding sideways at second 9 in the video is the truck spinning in the back to get momentum. If I had stopped the skinny pedal at any point in those first 9 seconds that truck is sank for good. Boom, stuck.
Think of it almost like planing a boat. At first you're giving the boat the beans but water displacement and physics you're just really not going anywhere and then all of a sudden the boat gets "on plane" and now the same RPM is making the boat feel like a rocket ship. It's pretty much identical. In crucial moments in the sand you press and hold the gas pedal hard until you get that momentum and the vehicle can get "on top" of the sand and then you can slowly start to let out on the gas and judge how much input you need to give it to STAY ON TOP.
Also, in those first 5 seconds of the video look how deep those tire tracks are right there. Also look up to the top of the beach that's where all that FINE POWDER SAND is. All this is 2wd. I think Jerry only helped me get unstuck one time that week if I remember correctly but it's been 7 years! Damn Jerry! Where does the time go?!
Think of it almost like planing a boat. At first you're giving the boat the beans but water displacement and physics you're just really not going anywhere and then all of a sudden the boat gets "on plane" and now the same RPM is making the boat feel like a rocket ship. It's pretty much identical. In crucial moments in the sand you press and hold the gas pedal hard until you get that momentum and the vehicle can get "on top" of the sand and then you can slowly start to let out on the gas and judge how much input you need to give it to STAY ON TOP.
Also, in those first 5 seconds of the video look how deep those tire tracks are right there. Also look up to the top of the beach that's where all that FINE POWDER SAND is. All this is 2wd. I think Jerry only helped me get unstuck one time that week if I remember correctly but it's been 7 years! Damn Jerry! Where does the time go?!
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Hey Joe..........
Where we went last Saturday was some twenty miles further on up the beach from your video to the point called Salinas Point. It is a sand spit with Isla San Jorge offshore and Bahia San Jorge between the spit and dry land near the highway. Doing that run from Santo Tomas is dangerous if not impossible due to an estero between the beach and the big dunes. When the tide is up there you will have to do a water crossing with depths in the channel that fills and drains the estero that are at least six feet deep with a serious current.
At low tide the channel will still be flooding into the Sea with one or two feet of rushing water and a two feet or more sand drop off then back up the other side. I've done it a few times years ago before I realized that if I did get stuck in that ditch no-one would ever get me out before the tide comes back in.
At Punta Salinas there is a large panga camp with a solid building and some wood shacks. The fleet there will consist of fifty or more boats depending on what they are targeting. They have a full time "security" guard who lives in the building. The place might look abandoned but be aware it is NOT!
Sometimes we do stop there to get a look at the booty being offloaded from the boats to the trucks. For the most part those guys are unusually creepy acting as they are all operating illegally for you know who. If we do raise a smile from one or more of them we can usually score some huge Gulf Blue Shrimp, big by catch crabs and maybe some giant Mantis Shrimp. They like being paid in USA dollars and a few cold TKT's. I always keep the Jeep running just in case we have to do an emergency bail out if things get nasty. They have no vehicles capable of following us over the dunes and I can easily out run them on the beach.
By the way, we counted twenty two sea turtle nests along that beach a year ago in November. The little ones had already emerged and hit the waves. Every nest had been dug up by Coyotes and the empty turtle egg shells were the dead giveaway as to the nest location. We almost always see two or three Vaquitas out there as well.
Both my Ford Raptor and Jeep Rubicon have factory lockers front and rear, but take my word they do very little when you're bogged down to the axles in mud or deep sand. Slow crawling on rocks is what the lockers are designed for.
When we do drive on the beach we usually keep up to the highest tide zone which is where the treasures will be found either from the last high tide or deposited there from past tides. That is where we find nice bagged kilos of mota, dead whales, porpoises, dolphins, sea lions, dozens of species of birds, fish and shells not to mention tons of driftwood for the fire pit back home. It is also where the softest dry sand will be found. Grinding along in 4x4 with low pressure tires and high rpm's really suck fuel and will overheat your engine in a heartbeat. So be prepared! Most times I never shut the engine down for fear of a dead battery and then what ya gonna do??
On our return trip we will use the wet sand from the receding tide for a high speed run back. I still stay as high up the wet beach as possible because you never know when the bottom will drop out and instantly sink your ass. I run my Jeep tire pressures at 10 or 12 psi and carry a Scuba tank to top them back up when we get back to the highway.
We will probably be back in PP the first week of next month. I'll post it a few days in advance.
Later,
JJ
Where we went last Saturday was some twenty miles further on up the beach from your video to the point called Salinas Point. It is a sand spit with Isla San Jorge offshore and Bahia San Jorge between the spit and dry land near the highway. Doing that run from Santo Tomas is dangerous if not impossible due to an estero between the beach and the big dunes. When the tide is up there you will have to do a water crossing with depths in the channel that fills and drains the estero that are at least six feet deep with a serious current.
At low tide the channel will still be flooding into the Sea with one or two feet of rushing water and a two feet or more sand drop off then back up the other side. I've done it a few times years ago before I realized that if I did get stuck in that ditch no-one would ever get me out before the tide comes back in.
At Punta Salinas there is a large panga camp with a solid building and some wood shacks. The fleet there will consist of fifty or more boats depending on what they are targeting. They have a full time "security" guard who lives in the building. The place might look abandoned but be aware it is NOT!
Sometimes we do stop there to get a look at the booty being offloaded from the boats to the trucks. For the most part those guys are unusually creepy acting as they are all operating illegally for you know who. If we do raise a smile from one or more of them we can usually score some huge Gulf Blue Shrimp, big by catch crabs and maybe some giant Mantis Shrimp. They like being paid in USA dollars and a few cold TKT's. I always keep the Jeep running just in case we have to do an emergency bail out if things get nasty. They have no vehicles capable of following us over the dunes and I can easily out run them on the beach.
By the way, we counted twenty two sea turtle nests along that beach a year ago in November. The little ones had already emerged and hit the waves. Every nest had been dug up by Coyotes and the empty turtle egg shells were the dead giveaway as to the nest location. We almost always see two or three Vaquitas out there as well.
Both my Ford Raptor and Jeep Rubicon have factory lockers front and rear, but take my word they do very little when you're bogged down to the axles in mud or deep sand. Slow crawling on rocks is what the lockers are designed for.
When we do drive on the beach we usually keep up to the highest tide zone which is where the treasures will be found either from the last high tide or deposited there from past tides. That is where we find nice bagged kilos of mota, dead whales, porpoises, dolphins, sea lions, dozens of species of birds, fish and shells not to mention tons of driftwood for the fire pit back home. It is also where the softest dry sand will be found. Grinding along in 4x4 with low pressure tires and high rpm's really suck fuel and will overheat your engine in a heartbeat. So be prepared! Most times I never shut the engine down for fear of a dead battery and then what ya gonna do??
On our return trip we will use the wet sand from the receding tide for a high speed run back. I still stay as high up the wet beach as possible because you never know when the bottom will drop out and instantly sink your ass. I run my Jeep tire pressures at 10 or 12 psi and carry a Scuba tank to top them back up when we get back to the highway.
We will probably be back in PP the first week of next month. I'll post it a few days in advance.
Later,
JJ
Last edited: Feb 9, 2022 at 2:40 PM
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Mexico Joe said:
Here's an idea of how deep the sand is out where JJ and Jerry are talking. Notice the first 10 seconds that I start moving the truck it looks like I'm just crawling along????????????????? I'm giving her the beans and the crawling and sliding sideways at second 9 in the video is the truck spinning in the back to get momentum. If I had stopped the skinny pedal at any point in those first 9 seconds that truck is sank for good. Boom, stuck.
Think of it almost like planing a boat. At first you're giving the boat the beans but water displacement and physics you're just really not going anywhere and then all of a sudden the boat gets "on plane" and now the same RPM is making the boat feel like a rocket ship. It's pretty much identical. In crucial moments in the sand you press and hold the gas pedal hard until you get that momentum and the vehicle can get "on top" of the sand and then you can slowly start to let out on the gas and judge how much input you need to give it to STAY ON TOP.
Also, in those first 5 seconds of the video look how deep those tire tracks are right there. Also look up to the top of the beach that's where all that FINE POWDER SAND is. All this is 2wd. I think Jerry only helped me get unstuck one time that week if I remember correctly but it's been 7 years! Damn Jerry! Where does the time go?!
This is what you need, I have one and it pumps tires up pretty quickly, not scuba tank fast but still does a good job.
It has a 10 ft extension hose too. I keep one in my Jeep.
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Hey thanks Guys for all the info. Maybe the Ram 2500 is better suited to pulling a trailer from Utah with an appropriate beach vehicle. Besides I meet most of Joes criteria for someone getting stuck at sand hollow. Lol
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randy and patty said:
Hey thanks Guys for all the info. Maybe the Ram 2500 is better suited to pulling a trailer from Utah with an appropriate beach vehicle. Besides I meet most of Joes criteria for someone getting stuck at sand hollow. Lol
We went to Sand Hollow in June and I can attest to that sand being the softest, finest sand I've ever seen. It's unreal. I can see why after watching that channel for a couple of years how so many people get stuck. BUT a lot of those people have absolutely no forethought and drive like KIAs and minivans into the sand... soooo... lol
We towed a Can Am RC there with the Sequoia... Poor thing. It was rapped out in 2nd gear the whole way climbing to 7,000 ft or greater twice. Up the hill to Flag and then Kaibab. Thought it was going to throw a rod out of the block it was rapped out so hard. The rear gearing needs changed. It can't rev out in 3rd. The automatic electronic transmission keeps wanting to search for power and constantly downshifts into 2nd gear when towing and trying to go 75mph. The air bags in the rear are also leaking a little so the ass was sitting low that trip as the Can AM with steel trailer weighed twice what our boat does if I had to guess. That's not helping the aero package.... Somehow still got almost 11mpg. Southern Utah is unreal though! Like wow! I thought AZ was pretty but Utah is AZ on steroids.
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brokenwave said:
This is what you need, I have one and it pumps tires up pretty quickly, not scuba tank fast but still does a good job.
It has a 10 ft extension hose too. I keep one in my Jeep.
I have a similar set up under the hood in the Tacoma. The key with those cheaper air compressors is to look at the CFM rather than the PSI standard. Viar is the best but they're like $250. I'm cheap so I sift through the China ones and find the best air flow for the price I want to pay. I think the one I have in the truck is called Master Flow. I have it wired with relay and switch. I put a 3/8" 3 foot whip on it so the quick connect is mounted up under my grill. When you need air you don't even need to pop the hood. Just plug in quick connect and flip the switch. That Master Flow compressor I found on a Jeep off road forum as "the best cheap compressor" for filling up 33" tires or bigger. Only down side is that if it's hot out you will hit the duty cycle before you can get all 4 tires filled up and then you have to sit there and wait for the pump to cool down before it will kick back on. Most guys run this type of compressor in conjunction with a 2-4 lb tank and an automatic pressure switch. Or the other way is what JJ says. Lots of guys do that too. Then there's a third way which is the Scuba Tank but with Nitrogen.
Joe, Honda Rancher is still working…sort of…always gives you a scare if not used a lot shifting out of 2nd…..a crap system…..the new Bronco looks good!👍 1
brokenwave said:
This is what you need, I have one and it pumps tires up pretty quickly, not scuba tank fast but still does a good job.
It has a 10 ft extension hose too. I keep one in my Jeep.
Always leave your motor running when using that compressor otherwise your battery could be used up, especially older batteries.
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Joe. I'm assuming that you are coming up from the north valley area and Google is directing you to go through Jacob Lake. The best route is through Page and Kanab then down to Fredonia. More miles but much flatter and less wear and tear on your rig. Plus the scenery is awesome.
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Looking good Joe! Can I rent your abs out for a weekend?
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Tmecke said:
Joe. I'm assuming that you are coming up from the north valley area and Google is directing you to go through Jacob Lake. The best route is through Page and Kanab then down to Fredonia. More miles but much flatter and less wear and tear on your rig. Plus the scenery is awesome.
I'll look into that next time when we go again. I briefly explored the other alternate route via LV/Mesquite Nevada through St George... Google said it was only a little bit further but I wasn't sure about elevation gain past Vegas. I know from Phx to Kingman you climb to 4,000ft if I remember correctly but all in all I thought it might be a push.
I think the other reason we decided to go that route is because neither one of us had seen Lee's Ferry. Drive there was in the middle of the night. We arrived at our destination just outside of Hurricane at like 3am. Passing through the Kaibab after midnight, we had the moonroof open and I have never in my life seen a clearer sky! It was insane! The amount of starlight was crazy. Clearest night sky I have ever seen in my life. On the way back to Phoenix 4 days later we stopped at Lee's Ferry to investigate. 2 years ago we almost decided to go there with our kayaks for 2 days one night overnight camping on the river but for a cripple it looked pretty intimidating. The scenery was EPIC! Marble Canyon is unreal. The whole thing was like, yea, we're definitely coming back here. The boat ramp at Lee's Ferry is about as shallow as it gets. Not steep whatsoever. Upriver lift is like $75 up to Glenn Canyon and then 3 mile float back down to Lee's Ferry. Pretty sick... We could see BIG Rainbow Trout swimming at the boat ramp. Water is crystal clear and COLD AS SHIT! lolll
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randy and patty said:
Looking good Joe! Can I rent your abs out for a weekend?
Thanks haha It's unfair really. Being cripple gives me an unfair advantage. I haven't been to the gym since Covid started which is sad now thinking about it. But when your upper body is compensating for your lower body everyday activity is the gym. Plus, I never stop moving. Everyday it's something. Work or working on the boat, welding on the truck... always something to keep busy.
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