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Chapo Guzman Caught!

Started by Estero · Feb 22, 2014 · 34 replies
Estero
Posted: Feb 22, 2014 8:15 AM PST Updated: Feb 22, 2014 8:27 AM PST
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL
Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Associated Press has learned that the head of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel was captured overnight by U.S. and Mexican authorities at a hotel in Mazatlan, Mexico.

A senior U.S. law enforcement official said Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman was taken alive overnight in the beach resort town. The official was not authorized to discuss the arrest and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Guzman faces multiple federal drug trafficking indictments in the U.S. and is on the Drug Enforcement Administration's most-wanted list. His drug empire stretches throughout North America and reaches as far away as Europe and Australia. His cartel has been heavily involved in the bloody drug war that has torn through parts of Mexico for the last several years.

Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Read more: APNewsBreak: Mexico's Sinaloa drug chief arrested
Ladyjeeper
Yes, it is also in Defrente this morning.
Landshark
A real game changer. Hope things stay peaceful.
ben21
Landshark said:
A real game changer. Hope things stay peaceful.


A game changer in a bad way, right? Seems like a power grab would be bad for RP... (Hopefully I'm wrong)
Southbeacher
I'm thinking that the second in command will simply take the wheel, with little fuss.
Ladyjeeper
The second in command is the one they got in Rocky Point in Dec. He was supposedly killed but his body disappeared from the hospital....
Southbeacher
Yeah, but this isn't a street gang, where if the leader -- or even runner up -- disappears, the gang disintegrates. This is Sinoloa Cartel. I'd think that someone will step up.
Landshark
Southbeacher said:
Yeah, but this isn't a street gang, where if the leader -- or even runner up -- disappears, the gang disintegrates. This is Sinoloa Cartel. I'd think that someone will step up.

Hope you are right. However it seems unlikely that this won't create a disruption in the balance of power that will be challenged.
Dezracer
The whole reason there is a cartel war is the Mexican and US government took out the leaders. This led to a power vacuum with various fractions fighting for control. As long as the the US keeps buying drugs, there will never be a end.

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Southbeacher
Landshark said:
Hope you are right. However it seems unlikely that this won't create a disruption in the balance of power that will be challenged.

Agree. Just as with tribes and nations . . including our own . . . whomever takes the wheel can continue on course, or drive things off a cliff.
Landshark
Something else to consider. Chances of it being him are questionable as he has look-alikes that he pays millions to impersonate him. Seems unlikely they would be able to take him alive anyway. This all sounds too easy.
jerry
http://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?ie=UTF-8&layer=c&z=17&iwloc=A&sll=23.226490,-106.428008&cbp=13,109.5,0,0,0&cbll=23.226501,-106.428041&q=Avenida+del+Mar+608,+Teller%C3%ADa,+Mazatlán,+Mexico&ei=5f4IU9CMF-SIygHxi4AY&ved=0CCUQxB0wAA

Caught in a Pigeon Coop...a crappy one at that.
marybna
This explaains why the polic and policar are still at the villa right below my deck at Bella. They are saying it is still a crime scene.
rplarry
Good article.

Check out the photos of inside the condo where he was taken into custody. For a billionaire, the guy was living out of a complete dump. Also hard to believe he had zero security with him.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-guzman-arrest-20140222,0,4274864.story#axzz2uAKKaj00
mis2810
Ladyjeeper said:
The second in command is the one they got in Rocky Point in Dec. He was supposedly killed but his body disappeared from the hospital....

No, the second in command is Mayo Zambada. The one they caught in Penasco was Macho Prieto, high level sicario (assasin) but not one of the big capos.
Ladyjeeper
Oh, sorry. Didn't check what I was told by someone.......whom I used to trust.
Landshark
rplarry said:
Also hard to believe he had zero security with him.

Very hard to believe. He knew they were making a big push to get him. He wouldn't make that mistake.
Roberto
Posted photos of the inside of his alleged condo show botha wheel chair and an infant crib? Interesting.
playaperro
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565876/Caught-throes-passion-Worlds-wanted-drug-lord-hotel-room-woman-marines-daring-dawn-raid-captured-head-deadly-cartel.html
HILL BOY
rplarry said:
Good article.

Check out the photos of inside the condo where he was taken into custody. For a billionaire, the guy was living out of a complete dump. Also hard to believe he had zero security with him.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-guzman-arrest-20140222,0,4274864.story#axzz2uAKKaj00


Maybe It is someone that looks like him! stranger things have happened, wait for DNA test or maybe he will be killed and his body will vanish LOL
Landshark
HILL BOY said:
Maybe It is someone that looks like him! stranger things have happened, wait for DNA test or maybe he will be killed and his body will vanish LOL

We will never know the real truth. It is what they say it is. They tell us what they want us to hear. As long as the drug war doesn't escalate I really don't give a damn.
Roberto
A comprehensive and maybe even accurate description of how they located Shorty.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/
Panamahat
Landshark said:
Hope you are right. However it seems unlikely that this won't create a disruption in the balance of power that will be challenged.


This is Stratfor a intelligence agency's take on it. I made bold the most disturbing parts

Like most of Mexico's major transnational criminal organizations, the Sinaloa Federation is led by a collection of crime bosses, each with their own network, operating under a common banner. In addition to Guzman, other notable top-tier leaders include Zambada and Juan Jose "El Azul" Esparragoza Moreno. These leaders guide the Sinaloa Federation's overall strategy and activity throughout Mexico, as well as its transnational operations. With Guzman now in custody, the remaining top bosses, along with several less-prominent leaders, will look to maintain the Sinaloa Federation's control over Guzman's network. This could spark a wave of violence throughout northwestern Mexico if internal shifts evolve into intra-cartel conflict.

A more likely source of violence -- one that could occur alongside an internal Sinaloa Federation feud -- would be a push by the Sinaloa Federation's rivals for control over drug trafficking operations in current Sinaloa Federation territories, including Baja California, Sonora, Durango, Chihuahua, and Sinaloa states. Should Guzman's arrest effectively create opportunities for rivals to pursue territorial gains at the expense of the Sinaloa Federation, Stratfor would expect to see an increase in inter-cartel violence on some scale, as well as a military response to contain or even preempt possible violence, in any area of the aforementioned states.
Landshark
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Last edited: Mar 5, 2014 at 6:36 AM
wildtoucan
http://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/2013/12/29/935912

Reporting alleged leader of gulf cartel caught
Roberto
AP Report: Top Mexican officials have made increasing clear that they want Guzman to face all local charges, and interrogation by Mexican investigators looking to dismantle his cartel, before they consider extraditing him to the U.S.
Southbeacher
Dismantling all the cartels would be marvy, if it were possible by a wave of the wand. But it seems to me that carving away at Guzman's cartel (separately, or out of synch) will only serve to dissolve neutrality, and create a new war zone . . . like doing open heart surgery with a gurkha knife.
GV Jack
like doing open heart surgery with a gurkha knife.


A what ?????
Southbeacher
GV Jack said:
A what ?????

. . . one of those big curved-blade battle knives used in the middle east long ago.
GV Jack
Delete, not really funny when I thought about it.
Last edited: Feb 25, 2014 at 3:41 PM
Roberto
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/02/operation-gargoyle-persuit-capture-and.html
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/02/operation-gargoyle-persuit-capture-and.html#comment-3525650231541713965
Long video here showing Shorty's ranch and other details.
Roberto
Another long summary but with recent information.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/05/the-hunt-for-chapo-guzman.html
jmcdtucson
Interesting.
Of course dismantling the cartels will never happen. As long as there is demand for a product and the satisfaction of that demand is made illegal, crime organizations will emerge to satisfy it.
Landshark
jmcdtucson said:
Interesting.
Of course dismantling the cartels will never happen. As long as there is demand for a product and the satisfaction of that demand is made illegal, crime organizations will emerge to satisfy it.

Agree. Too much money being made to ever shut down the illegal drug industry. Not only by the manufacturers & distributors, but everybody else involved in the cash flow such as bankers, government agencies, etc. all over the world.
dry heat
The best hope to curtail cartel issues in northern mexico is to have a different buyer (if the US drug market changes). For example I hear Asia and Europe are up and coming buyer drug markets. Maybe the cartels will need to move their offices from northern mexico.