Mexican Govt wont allow cartel to prosper in RP & the required action was taken.
I live in RP full time very close to where it all went down & many of us witnessed it. Yes it was a hard core military show of force but unfortunately it had to be done. The Mexican special forces were very impressive & very well equipped. I'm sure they hoped it would go down a lot smoother than it did but the bad guys decided to resist arrest. I'm glad the military finished the job. The days before this took place their were very few tourists around being mid Dec / mid week something had to be done and this was the best time to do it.
A STRONG message has been sent to the bad guys to stay out of RP and to stay out of Mexico's tourist areas. Yes the mini gun was super hard core & from our angle appeared to be used only as a massive overwhelming show of force deterant to end things as quick as possible. Early blasts by the mini gun into the sand in the general area of the shoot out's sent the majority of the bad guys fleeing for their lives where they were easy pickings out in the open on the streets by the awaiting well armed road blocks. 95% of the bad guys were dead in the first 30 minutes the next 2.5 hours was a slower paced mop up of the unfortunate 1 or 2 bad guys left behind by their fleeing friends.
I will remain in RP , continue to safely enjoy RP where the safety stats for tourists are very good & far better than many other cities. Its great to know these guys are gone & that the Mexican gov't will do what it takes to protect us. Even though the cartel guys arent harming tourists or locals & mainly kill other cartel members its best that they are removed from RP. Just as I will still vacation in Colorado, California, Illinois, Washington etc even though they are the sites of mass shootings life must go on.
Nonsense. .50 cal guns are not "mini guns". If it was necessary to eliminate a few "bad guys", it could have easily been surgically accomplished without so much drama. Rocky point is not Afghanistan. The whole reason for all of this is the insatiable appetite for illegal drugs in the US. There are now job openings to replace the deceased "bad guys". As long as the demand continues, and the border remains unsecured, nothing will change.
Nonsense. .50 cal guns are not "mini guns". If it was necessary to eliminate a few "bad guys", it could have easily been surgically accomplished without so much drama. Rocky point is not Afghanistan. The whole reason for all of this is the insatiable appetite for illegal drugs in the US. There are now job openings to replace the deceased "bad guys". As long as the demand continues, and the border remains unsecured, nothing will change.
Interesting that the federal authorities left as quickly as they arrived. They didn't even stay around long enough to pick up the dead bodies, or to preserve the crime scenes!
Nonsense. .50 cal guns are not "mini guns". If it was necessary to eliminate a few "bad guys", it could have easily been surgically accomplished without so much drama. Rocky point is not Afghanistan. The whole reason for all of this is the insatiable appetite for illegal drugs in the US. There are now job openings to replace the deceased "bad guys". As long as the demand continues, and the border remains unsecured, nothing will change.
I think your missing the whole point. You say "there are now job openings to replace the bad guys" Yes drug lords will always be in Mexico but not BASED in a small tourist town like RP. The Mexican military made it VERY clear to all future drug lords RP & tourist areas will NOT be your home. Maybe big cities like Jaurez, Tijuana & Mexico City yes but RP & tourists areas no, no, no....You say "it could have been easily accomplished" Disagree completely, a job like this is never easy. The bad guys decided to make it make it very difficult & the Mexican military did what they had to do wiping out every bad guy and not harming anyone else.
Sometimes it takes a STRONG message and a heavy hand to keep the peace for years to come. I am very glad the govt is protecting RP. Over the last few years the cartel situation has been trending back towards the way it was for decades w/ minimal issues & violence and one cartel domination. Its not quite there yet but it is heading that way. The Mexican govt knows this & is clearly setting the proper boundries for the cartels drug route operations.
Like someone said on this forum "Rocky Point Strong!" Life goes on & the Mexican govt has shown they have our back & they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep RP safe..
I think your missing the whole point. You say "there are now job openings to replace the bad guys" Yes drug lords will always be in Mexico but not BASED in a small tourist town like RP. The Mexican military made it VERY clear to all future drug lords RP & tourist areas will NOT be your home. Maybe big cities like Jaurez, Tijuana & Mexico City yes but RP & tourists areas no, no, no....You say "it could have been easily accomplished" Disagree completely, a job like this is never easy. The bad guys decided to make it make it very difficult & the Mexican military did what they had to do wiping out every bad guy and not harming anyone else.
Sometimes it takes a STRONG message and a heavy hand to keep the peace for years to come. I and am very glad the govt is protecting RP. Over the last few years the cartel situation has been trending back towards the way it was for decades w/ minimal issues & violence and one cartel domination. Its not quite there yet but it is trending that way. The Mexican govt knows this & is clearly setting the proper boundries for the cartels drug route operations.
Like someone said on this forum "Rocky Point Strong!" Life goes on & the Mexican govt has shown they have our back & they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep RP safe..
If you think for one minute that we actually know, or will ever know, exactly what happened you're fooling yourself. You're also fooling yourself if you think there are no more "bad guys" or cartel members left in RP. They are everywhere. They are people that hold real jobs that you would never suspect. They don't all look like the boogeyman. The whole point is to mix into society and control quietly. The army takes orders from the cartels. For all we know it was the cartel that gave the order to go in and take out their own guys that weren't falling in line. Read the book, "Opening Mexico". Mexico's ex-drug czar and head of the military was taking orders directly from the cartel in the 90s. RP may be a tourist destination, but it's still a direct route to the border and the cartels are not giving up control of that anytime soon.
would you bring young grandchildren here for christmas? is it safe? I think the narco prieto guy obviously got away and it's a cover-up that his body was stolen ....there is danger of more firefights obviously.....
YOUR QUOTE WAS " RP may be a tourist destination, but it's still a direct route to the border and the cartels are not giving up control of that anytime soon."[/end quote]
No one said the cartels will give up the overall area. You say" RP is a direct route to the border"? Not exactly...There are many highways heading north up through Mexico that are even easier / safer to use than going thru RP. The bottom line is if a main cartel high up dangerous player wants to set up a full scale home base in RP w/ his entire crew it AINT gonna happen as the Mexican govt just CLEARLY demonstrated.
The cartel can still easily ship their drugs north & will continue to do so and thats fine. But absolutely no need to set up a major home base in small off the beaten path RP. A few low level employees as eyes and ears in the area who blend in & dont make a peep will always be around every city in Mexico and the USA & thats acceptable.
The cartel can easily control the Sonora area from their operations set up in TJ, Nogales, Mexicali, etc.. ABSOLUTELY no need to make RP a home base. As the cartels situation keeps trending further to the way it used to be, as it is, this will be easier & easier for the dominant cartel to do ( controlling routes & areas from easy to maintain home bases in acceptable cities).
" RP may be a tourist destination, but it's still a direct route to the border and the cartels are not giving up control of that anytime soon.
No one said the cartels will give up the overall area. You say" RP is a direct route to the border"? Not exactly...There are many highways heading north up through Mexico that are even easier / safer to use than going thru RP. The bottom line is if a main cartel high up dangerous player wants to set up a full scale home base in RP w/ his entire crew it AINT gonna happen as the Mexican govt just CLEARLY demonstrated.
The cartel can still easily ship their drugs north & will continue to do so and thats fine. But absolutely no need to set up a major home base in small off the beaten path RP. A few low level employees as eyes and ears in the area who blend in & dont make a peep will always be around every city in Mexico and the USA & thats acceptable.
The cartel can easily control the Sonora area from their operations set up in TJ, Nogales, Mexicali, etc.. ABSOLUTELY no need to make RP a home base. As the cartels situation keeps trending further to the way it used to be, as it is, this will be easier & easier for the dominant cartel to do ( controlling routes & areas from easy to maintain home bases in acceptable cities).
What makes you assume he was setting up a home base? They move around a lot. The Mexican government took orders from above this guy, the Mexican military is just delivering the message from Cartel Boss #1, who probably has the cell phone number of the highest guy in the Mexican military because he's on the payroll. You're assuming the Mexican Federal Government is acting on its own behalf, when that's clearly not the case.
Now, now Carnac. Don't get your pisser in a bubble because Eric knows far more about the cartels in Penasco than you will ever know !! Hey did you get your prom dress from the cleaner yet??
Now, now Carnac. Don't get your pisser in a bubble because Eric knows far more about the cartels in Penasco than you will ever know !! Hey did you get your prom dress from the cleaner yet??
2 lane roads and small borders are not good drug routes
I was told differently.
The cartels use the area north of the Lukeville border crossing to move a tons of drugs.
I have a 4x4 Tahoe that was stolen and used to make 2-3 drug trips based on the mileage it now has.
It still had some pot in it when I got it back.
When I spoke with US Customs about the case number attached to my vehicle, he responded that
Caborca through RP, north to Lukeville border area and through theTohono O'odham Nation
was the favored route used to move the drugs into AZ, PU's and SUV's and ATV's are constantly found abandoned with drugs
still in/on them in that area. The tow truck company at the Gu Vo Reservation had a dozen SUV's and PU trucks in his yard still
waiting to be picked up by their owners.
would you bring young grandchildren here for christmas? is it safe? I think the narco prieto guy obviously got away and it's a cover-up that his body was stolen ....there is danger of more firefights obviously.....
Do your research actually it is fairly common for a top cartel person / family member who has been killed for their body to disappear from the morgue. I was racing the baja 500 a few years ago and a top cartel member was killed near Ensenada ( helicopter hit power lines above race ) and that night the cartel gang burst into the morgue in Ensenada and removed the body. ( google it ) I guess its a very big deal for the cartel family to bury their own immediate members. Let them have the body, what do we or the Mexican govt care about that....
Do your research actually it is fairly common for a top cartel person / family member who has been killed for their body to disappear from the morgue. I was racing the baja 500 a few years ago and a top cartel member was killed near Ensenada ( helicopter hit power lines above race ) and that night the cartel gang burst into the morgue in Ensenada and removed the body. ( google it ) I guess its a very big deal for the cartel family to bury their own immediate members. Let them have the body, what do we or the Mexican govt care about that....
Eric... It's your opinion and you're free to express it here, as are others and their opinion. But really dude, you know very little of what you speak about.
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Well a good thing is the news is saying its still safe for US citizens in RP. They had a chopper shooting to, someone missed and shot the window out at one of the hotels.
Is going back a couple of years when border guy told us that about the single road and small border. He said that entry points like nogales were favoured as once in the usa the roads fan out more and can blend in better. I am sure things have changed. We go thru todham area going to rp and that is always crawling with bp and has cameras and xray machine as you pass south thru the checkpoint.
Eric is correct... I too was at the Baja 500. The chopper that crashed killed a leader on the Felix cartel. There was a gun battle at mogue that night to retrieve his body.
Mexican Govt wont allow cartel to prosper in RP & the required action was taken.
I live in RP full time very close to where it all went down & many of us witnessed it. Yes it was a hard core military show of force but unfortunately it had to be done. The Mexican special forces were very impressive & very well equipped. I'm sure they hoped it would go down a lot smoother than it did but the bad guys decided to resist arrest. I'm glad the military finished the job. The days before this took place their were very few tourists around being mid Dec / mid week something had to be done and this was the best time to do it.
A STRONG message has been sent to the bad guys to stay out of RP and to stay out of Mexico's tourist areas. Yes the mini gun was super hard core & from our angle appeared to be used only as a massive overwhelming show of force deterant to end things as quick as possible. Early blasts by the mini gun into the sand in the general area of the shoot out's sent the majority of the bad guys fleeing for their lives where they were easy pickings out in the open on the streets by the awaiting well armed road blocks. 95% of the bad guys were dead in the first 30 minutes the next 2.5 hours was a slower paced mop up of the unfortunate 1 or 2 bad guys left behind by their fleeing friends.
I will remain in RP , continue to safely enjoy RP where the safety stats for tourists are very good & far better than many other cities. Its great to know these guys are gone & that the Mexican gov't will do what it takes to protect us. Even though the cartel guys arent harming tourists or locals & mainly kill other cartel members its best that they are removed from RP. Just as I will still vacation in Colorado, California, Illinois, Washington etc even though they are the sites of mass shootings life must go on.
I dont even know what to say to this. Where did this guy come from? He had 8 posts from 08 to 13.
Eric, get a clue buddy. Penasco is Sinaloa and just because this happened today doesnt mean they are gone from the city. LOL SMH I was told that more product is moved through the Organ Pipe National Monument than arguably anywhere else along the border. Penasco is a MAJOR player in the game. If you knew more about what is happening in towns around Penasco, you'd have a better idea of what is happening in Penasco. Apparently you're not understanding that this man and his associates have been living in Penasco for over a year. Apparently it wasn't a secret. This only occurred because the #1 wanted him out. Apparently you're also not understanding that the US Mexico and Sinaloa are business partners.
I cant believe Im agreeing with and complementing Stuart and Melissa but they are right. BRO, you're so off based! LOL SMH with this guy!!!
Update on Tucson News . com says he was wounded and might of got away when 10 cars ran at the same time, check their site I don't think the story us up yet. He might be at UMC for all we know. http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/
It had OnStar and they ripped that out, we are going to install a kill switch and get a different license plate for it. (If the insurance doesn't total it).
If it is targeted for thorough inspections at the border it will be sold. (never had a total inspection ever crossing the border for 25 years now).
Yes my son's Tahoe was stolen in Snotts-dale, and there was a newer Acura car parked next to it, they wanted it for the 4 wheel drive
and size to drive through the desert loaded with Mota.
I think your missing the whole point. You say "there are now job openings to replace the bad guys" Yes drug lords will always be in Mexico but not BASED in a small tourist town like RP. The Mexican military made it VERY clear to all future drug lords RP & tourist areas will NOT be your home. Maybe big cities like Jaurez, Tijuana & Mexico City yes but RP & tourists areas no, no, no....You say "it could have been easily accomplished" Disagree completely, a job like this is never easy. The bad guys decided to make it make it very difficult & the Mexican military did what they had to do wiping out every bad guy and not harming anyone else.
Sometimes it takes a STRONG message and a heavy hand to keep the peace for years to come. I am very glad the govt is protecting RP. Over the last few years the cartel situation has been trending back towards the way it was for decades w/ minimal issues & violence and one cartel domination. Its not quite there yet but it is heading that way. The Mexican govt knows this & is clearly setting the proper boundries for the cartels drug route operations.
Like someone said on this forum "Rocky Point Strong!" Life goes on & the Mexican govt has shown they have our back & they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep RP safe..
Erik, I don't know what world you live in, or who you are working for, but you have no concept of reality. It's hard to believe that you really believe what you are posting.
The "bad guys" that you refer to could have been taken out very easily by proper surveillance, stake-out, or highway road block, etc. Helicopters and .50 cal weapons weren't necessary. The only message from the action was to scare away tourists, kill local business, and reduce property values. Dead cartel operatives are easily replaceable. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT PROTECTING RP!
RP and Sonoyta are major distribution points for drug shipments to the US. You would know this if you had any conversations with BCI, Border Patrol, or DEA agents. Various drug cartels control the border, and one cartel controls the action, and everything that happens, in RP.
I notice no one liked either of your posts Jack. o_O
What's your point, Todd? I thought this was a discussion forum, where people come to obtain, and exchange information. You seem to regard it as a popularity contest, which is not the same.
What's your point, Todd? I thought this was a discussion forum, where people come to obtain, and exchange information. You seem to regard it as a popularity contest, which is not the same.
Erik, I don't know what world you live in, or who you are working for, but you have no concept of reality. It's hard to believe that you really believe what you are posting.
The "bad guys" that you refer to could have been taken out very easily by proper surveillance, stake-out, or highway road block, etc. Helicopters and .50 cal weapons weren't necessary. The only message from the action was to scare away tourists, kill local business, and reduce property values. Dead cartel operatives are easily replaceable. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT PROTECTING RP!
RP and Sonoyta are major distribution points for drug shipments to the US. You would know this if you had any conversations with BCI, Border Patrol, or DEA agents. Various drug cartels control the border, and one cartel controls the action, and everything that happens, in RP.
Update on Tucson News . com says he was wounded and might of got away when 10 cars ran at the same time, check their site I don't think the story us up yet. He might be at UMC for all we know. http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/
Can you post a direct link to the story. I cannot find it. Thanks.:D:D:D
I think your missing the whole point. You say "there are now job openings to replace the bad guys" Yes drug lords will always be in Mexico but not BASED in a small tourist town like RP. The Mexican military made it VERY clear to all future drug lords RP & tourist areas will NOT be your home. Maybe big cities like Jaurez, Tijuana & Mexico City yes but RP & tourists areas no, no, no....You say "it could have been easily accomplished" Disagree completely, a job like this is never easy. The bad guys decided to make it make it very difficult & the Mexican military did what they had to do wiping out every bad guy and not harming anyone else.
Sometimes it takes a STRONG message and a heavy hand to keep the peace for years to come. I am very glad the govt is protecting RP. Over the last few years the cartel situation has been trending back towards the way it was for decades w/ minimal issues & violence and one cartel domination. Its not quite there yet but it is heading that way. The Mexican govt knows this & is clearly setting the proper boundries for the cartels drug route operations.
Like someone said on this forum "Rocky Point Strong!" Life goes on & the Mexican govt has shown they have our back & they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep RP safe..
I totally agree with you on this. I only wish the Military removed these guys sooner but they were probably just waiting till the moment when there were almost no tourists in town. And your exactly right the cartel does not have to be based in a tourist area they can easily run their drug shipping routes in the area from other cities, remote areas, ranches etc.......
Wow , there are some really neat and exciting theories about this event and the way the world is. Who would have thought there was such informative insight on this forum. Y'all should go to work for Stratfor. I'm gonna sent a note to the Federal authorities to keep up with the forum so they know what's going on.
Now I hate to burst your bubbles but here is the real truth. I have it on excellent authority, documented and all. There was no shooting. There was no event. It was all a test of Google's new virtual reality programs. Holograms and mega sound effects with robots included. You know Google is heavy into robots. They also utilized a recent development in mass hypnosis with holograms. They want to bring one of their experimental barges here and do not want the cruise ships hogging up the new docks. Serena was chosed to drive the prices down so they could acquire the entire development for pennies on the peso to house their extensive research staff. Robot developement will be moving here.
What really is a surprise to me is how people will continue to purchase that junky weed from Mexico. Is there really a demand for those sticks and stems? I would think better quality pot would be available than the worst stuff I have ever had. experience from college and high school so I hope the quality is better today. maybe we need a yelp review so that people stop buying the horrible quality weed that is grown in mexico. maybe that is the trick to slow down the drug trade.
What really is a surprise to me is how people will continue to purchase that junky weed from Mexico. Is there really a demand for those sticks and stems? I would think better quality pot would be available than the worst stuff I have ever had. experience from college and high school so I hope the quality is better today. maybe we need a yelp review so that people stop buying the horrible quality weed that is grown in mexico. maybe that is the trick to slow down the drug trade.
This guy I know is a part of the culture and he can seriously say that he wouldn't be able to get sh1tty marijuana like the stuff you're talking about to save his life. If his life depended on getting Mexico brick weed, he'd die. He could call 100 people and have 0 chance. 100% of the people he knows buy domestic grown marijuana. With technology these days, nobody needs shitty brick weed from Mexico. If they legalized marijuana tomorrow it would have ZERO impact on the cartels. Just by reading what they are seizing these days, cocaine and meth are the top two.
I will remain in RP , continue to safely enjoy RP where the safety stats for tourists are very good & far better than many other cities.
Hey Eric, where are these "safety stats"(crime stats?) available online? Who compiled them, what criteria was used, and what methodology? I'm sure they are the same as FBI statistics and you used cities of similar population in your comparison but I would love to duplicate your research. Thanks in advance for being another reliable, unbiased source of information here on this fine forum.
This guy I know is a part of the culture and he can seriously say that he wouldn't be able to get sh1tty marijuana like the stuff you're talking about to save his life. If his life depended on getting Mexico brick weed, he'd die. He could call 100 people and have 0 chance. 100% of the people he knows buy domestic grown marijuana. With technology these days, nobody needs shitty brick weed from Mexico. If they legalized marijuana tomorrow it would have ZERO impact on the cartels. Just by reading what they are seizing these days, cocaine and meth are the top two.
If one wants to feel safe about rocky point, look at it this way. The cartel does not want to create waves in penasco and they are ok going about their business without affecting the tourism industry (that is just bad for business). In most cases when you hear about a big bust like the one we had, it was probably done because someone was no longer part of the team and it was authorized from up above. One thing we can all agree on is the method it was done under was not ideal for tourism (it sounds like the local authorities were kept in the dark).
Looking back, I just tell myself that these events are few and far between when it comes to being so open, so I will continue about living my life. No different that cartels or drug lords who own and run tourist areas in the Caribbean or islands around Asia, they don't want a target on their back so do their best to be as low key as possible (its called being a smart criminal).
the word 'criminal' is beyond vague that in the courts everyone has their own interpretation. lets not forget religion, politics and family (each has their own version of what a 'criminal' is). In any case, off topic on my part. maybe 'smart criminal' refers to someone who does not get caught (something along those lines).
If one wants to feel safe about rocky point, look at it this way. The cartel does not want to create waves in penasco and they are ok going about their business without affecting the tourism industry (that is just bad for business). In most cases when you hear about a big bust like the one we had, it was probably done because someone was no longer part of the team and it was authorized from up above. One thing we can all agree on is the method it was done under was not ideal for tourism (it sounds like the local authorities were kept in the dark).
Looking back, I just tell myself that these events are few and far between when it comes to being so open, so I will continue about living my life. No different that cartels or drug lords who own and run tourist areas in the Caribbean or islands around Asia, they don't want a target on their back so do their best to be as low key as possible (its called being a smart criminal).
I agree that the military action probably was necessary, but I fear for the fallout from it towards tourism.
We had Christmas dinner with our extended family (26 people), the adults ranged in age from late 20's to mid 60's.
They all asked us about the Shoot-out, (since we have a house in Cholla) and how we felt about it.
We responded that it was sad that it happened but necessary and that we will continue to travel to
Mexico as usual with a bit more caution, pay a bit more attention.
We polled the 15 adults and only 5 said they will continue to visit RP. (all under 30)
Almost all the 40+ people said they were done with Mexico and all have been there numerous times in the past 3-5 years.
The mentioned Canada, The USA and the Caribbean as places to go instead.
I was very surprised all from the "we are done with Mexico answers" I wonder how this is going to play out.
Any other members have similar scenes from their holiday gatherings?
I agree that the military action probably was necessary, but I fear for the fallout from it towards tourism.
We had Christmas dinner with our extended family (26 people), the adults ranged in age from late 20's to mid 60's.
They all asked us about the Shoot-out, (since we have a house in Cholla) and how we felt about it.
We responded that it was sad that it happened but necessary and that we will continue to travel to
Mexico as usual with a bit more caution, pay a bit more attention.
We polled the 15 adults and only 5 said they will continue to visit RP. (all under 30)
Almost all the 40+ people said they were done with Mexico and all have been there numerous times in the past 3-5 years.
The mentioned Canada, The USA and the Caribbean as places to go instead.
I was very surprised all from the "we are done with Mexico answers" I wonder how this is going to play out.
Any other members have similar scenes from their holiday gatherings?
Friends of ours in cruise industry say the violence in the caribbean is staggering....just doesnt make the news. There touists are attacked, especially in bahamas, nassau in particular.
Yes, not wild about the Bahamas, my wife and I went there on a cruise 4 years ago and found police/military everywhere.
We were warned about the POTENTIAL crime as we were leaving the boat, but we did enjoy the fort tour we went on,
the local tour guide was great and warned us about where not to go in Nassau.
Never felt at ease when we were in Nassau and couldn't wait to leave.
We were told Bermuda and some other islands are great by the crew on the boat, they even said the Bahamas was pretty low on their list of places to visit.
We've been to Puerto Vallarta, Mazatlan, San Carlos/Guymas, La Paz and Cabo, never felt uneasy there, the Mexican people are just so Gracious wherever we visit.
I agree that the military action probably was necessary, but I fear for the fallout from it towards tourism.
We had Christmas dinner with our extended family (26 people), the adults ranged in age from late 20's to mid 60's.
They all asked us about the Shoot-out, (since we have a house in Cholla) and how we felt about it.
We responded that it was sad that it happened but necessary and that we will continue to travel to
Mexico as usual with a bit more caution, pay a bit more attention.
We polled the 15 adults and only 5 said they will continue to visit RP. (all under 30)
Almost all the 40+ people said they were done with Mexico and all have been there numerous times in the past 3-5 years.
The mentioned Canada, The USA and the Caribbean as places to go instead.
I was very surprised all from the "we are done with Mexico answers" I wonder how this is going to play out.
Any other members have similar scenes from their holiday gatherings?
My brother and two of his friends and their families are headed down next week for two weeks. They have raw property about 30 miles east of town. They pretty much have their heads in the sand and didn't know basic facts about what happened other than what was reported in the news. They made the usual comparisons to crime in Phoenix ignoring population differences & lack of statistics. Most of these people are gun nuts like me and carry concealed so I'm surprised they feel so safe unarmed where now they know what could potentially happen. Odds are even if they have another gunfight they won't hear it where they are so they won't be deterred I guess. Plus they have a vested interest as they are still fighting for a bank trust for their property and are $100k invested. Everyone else I know made gave up on Mexico in the last decade or so as I have. I can do Hawaii for the same amount I usually spend on Mexico and now I have a timeshare in Tahiti which greatly reduces my costs to visit there.
My brother and two of his friends and their families are headed down next week for two weeks. They have raw property about 30 miles east of town. They pretty much have their heads in the sand and didn't know basic facts about what happened other than what was reported in the news. They made the usual comparisons to crime in Phoenix ignoring population differences & lack of statistics. Most of these people are gun nuts like me and carry concealed so I'm surprised they feel so safe unarmed where now they know what could potentially happen. Odds are even if they have another gunfight they won't hear it where they are so they won't be deterred I guess. Plus they have a vested interest as they are still fighting for a bank trust for their property and are $100k invested. Everyone else I know made gave up on Mexico in the last decade or so as I have. I can do Hawaii for the same amount I usually spend on Mexico and now I have a timeshare in Tahiti which greatly reduces my costs to visit there.
Sub you kill me. 1st, I had no idea people still buy timeshares (for that I say sorry to hear of your recent purchase, hopefully the free night at a Hilton was worth it).
As much as you talk about needing a gun for safety and how you can't defend yourself in Mexico because you don't have a gun... well you happen to have purchased in one of the most restrictive gun control areas of the world (French Polynesia). You have been a mexico hater for some time (it's ok, its your right), nice to see that you pop up in here whenever something bad happens and lend a comment (I assume you do the same when something good happens in Mexico... wait in your mind that is not possible and thus it explains why you are quiet the majority of the time).
why don't you try to take your gun into French Polynesia and let us know in about 10-15 years how that worked out.
Thanks for your concern, but I "bought" that timeshare for $0. The maintenance fees cost me $710/yr which get me 7 night at about $101.42 in an overwater bungalow that typically would cost upwards of $500/night elsewhere. Even if I don't go I don't mind if I lose the money or I can easily sell it to other French Polynesia fanatics. There are no other charges except a local tax of about $5/day.
In no way am I advocating timeshares, that market is irretrievably broken IMO. I only "bought" this one as I can walk away without repercussions. I don't have to do any of that RCI BS either.
Yes gun ownership is very highly restrictive but still possible. Even the Gendarmes are not armed as there is not any crime to speak of there. One NBA player murdered his wife on a boat 20 years ago out on the open seas and it was attributed to Tahiti as that was the closest island. A local in the Marquesas murdered a couple of Swedes a few years ago and tried to eat the bodies to conceal the evidence. They caught him after a week of hiding in the jungle. That's 2000 some miles from Tahiti. The big news about 5 years ago was some local kid "breaking" into the bungalows (we don't lock the doors) and stealing cash and personal items. The locals figured out who it was and beat his ass silly. French Polynesia is true paradise so they don't have the problems you still get in Mexico. Try it sometime and I guarantee you'll forget all about Mexico.
I'll pop in here whenever I feel like it. Hate is a strong word, but I don't hate Mexico, I hate what the cartels and American developers have done to Sonora and Puerto Penasco. I'll post about whatever I want thank you.
I think your missing the whole point. You say "there are now job openings to replace the bad guys" Yes drug lords will always be in Mexico but not BASED in a small tourist town like RP. The Mexican military made it VERY clear to all future drug lords RP & tourist areas will NOT be your home. Maybe big cities like Jaurez, Tijuana & Mexico City yes but RP & tourists areas no, no, no....You say "it could have been easily accomplished" Disagree completely, a job like this is never easy. The bad guys decided to make it make it very difficult & the Mexican military did what they had to do wiping out every bad guy and not harming anyone else.
Sometimes it takes a STRONG message and a heavy hand to keep the peace for years to come. I am very glad the govt is protecting RP. Over the last few years the cartel situation has been trending back towards the way it was for decades w/ minimal issues & violence and one cartel domination. Its not quite there yet but it is heading that way. The Mexican govt knows this & is clearly setting the proper boundries for the cartels drug route operations.
Like someone said on this forum "Rocky Point Strong!" Life goes on & the Mexican govt has shown they have our back & they are willing to do whatever it takes to keep RP safe..
I'm on the same page... There are too many other cities and remote areas for the cartel to easily hide in. Distant ranch's , larger cities like TJ, Nogales, Mexicali, Hermosillo etc...For sure no need for cartel to live in a small American tourist area ( hard for cartel to blend in there and very easy for anyone to rent the place next door to him and take him out ). Pretty stupid to stay in Sandy Beach when you think about it. I would also have to believe that he knew he was gonna be killed and he figured no one would kill him there. Other cartel members now are probably not going to make that same home address mistake in the future. They now know that living at a place like that doesnt guarantee their safety...
I'm on the same page... There are too many other cities and remote areas for the cartel to easily hide in. Distant ranch's , larger cities like TJ, Nogales, Mexicali, Hermosillo etc...For sure no need for cartel to live in a small American tourist area ( hard for cartel to blend in there and very easy for anyone to rent the place next door to him and take him out ). Pretty stupid to stay in Sandy Beach when you think about it. I would also have to believe that he knew he was gonna be killed and he figured no one would kill him there. Other cartel members now are probably not going to make that same home address mistake in the future. They now know that living at a place like that doesnt guarantee their safety...
Mike, Penasco is in play and serves many purposes now that the Costera is finished to the border.You pretend to miss the more complex picture.My guess is you know as well as some of us Penasco is in for some shakey times but in the end will be OK.Shooting hotels up with helicopter gunships is not the answer.
I'm on the same page... There are too many other cities and remote areas for the cartel to easily hide in. Distant ranch's , larger cities like TJ, Nogales, Mexicali, Hermosillo etc...For sure no need for cartel to live in a small American tourist area ( hard for cartel to blend in there and very easy for anyone to rent the place next door to him and take him out ). Pretty stupid to stay in Sandy Beach when you think about it. I would also have to believe that he knew he was gonna be killed and he figured no one would kill him there. Other cartel members now are probably not going to make that same home address mistake in the future. They now know that living at a place like that doesnt guarantee their safety...
MikeHeadinTheSand
A~~LA```~~~~VERGA~~~~``` It's like talking to a brick wall with this guy. There is every need for them to be in RP. Just because you choose not to believe it, there is every need to be in RP and we're telling you why. Once again, wrong. Please tell me what the cartel looks like. Please. This man would still be sleeping there tonight if he hadn't broken company policy. This was in no way an effort to rid Penasco of whatever it is that you think they did. This man lived with impunity until he violated the company policy and had to be "let go".
I'm on the same page... There are too many other cities and remote areas for the cartel to easily hide in. Distant ranch's , larger cities like TJ, Nogales, Mexicali, Hermosillo etc...For sure no need for cartel to live in a small American tourist area ( hard for cartel to blend in there and very easy for anyone to rent the place next door to him and take him out ). Pretty stupid to stay in Sandy Beach when you think about it. I would also have to believe that he knew he was gonna be killed and he figured no one would kill him there. Other cartel members now are probably not going to make that same home address mistake in the future. They now know that living at a place like that doesnt guarantee their safety...
You obviously weren't here but back in the day I was always saying that the Cartel would be moving into Puerto Penasco as the drug war heated up in Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez. What happens when you squeeze a something on both ends? It moves to the middle and now it's here.
( Mexico Thinks he knows it all Joe ) & Jerry...Think before you speak...I NEVER said shooting up a resort was the answer......and ( Know it all ) just because your a kid who smokes cartel weed and lives in the USA & goes to RP once a year doesnt make you an expert on the cartels or RP. You are ABSOLUTELY wrong the cartels DO NOT have to be living in the American Resorts on Sandy Beach to effectively monitor their drug shipments thru Sonora. Their is a million other safer better places for them to hide in the area like small ranches outside of town, a small house deep in town, nearby larger non tourist towns, etc etc...
Read my posts and THINK before you respond. The silent majority on this forum is tired of you fools who never have anything constructive to add to the discussion and simply bash people because they dare speak on YOUR forum. Just because you & Jerry sit at your computer 24/7 in Arizona and have been posting thousands of useless messages on this site doesnt make you the expert on cartels and RP. I live in RP I would have to say I have a better idea of whats going on here than you.
Everyone on this forum knows you all just bash and argue w/ anyone who is pro resorts & development in RP......Its getting really old guys.......There is a better forum for you guys to join & spend your 24/7 on its the www.ihatelifeandimbitter.com forum
Ever stop to figure you have "no need to live in a small American tourist area" either? But you do...along with lotsa folks. You know why? Cause it's 'nice' there...
These cartel guys make billions-millions of dollars....do you really think they want to live in some hole in the wall- small ranch-town? What good is all that money if you can't spend it?
Mike,Who are you?I just do not think living in your little pigeon coop bubble gives you as much knowledge about Mexico as I have .I ranch on the border where I deal with cartel violence,do business with Mexicans,have friends in the mining industry and spend time with farmers and lumber buyers that know what is happening from Matzatlan up to the border.I warned forum people last month that something was up.I was right so screw you.
Ever stop to figure you have "no need to live in a small American tourist area" either? But you do...along with lotsa folks. You know why? Cause it's 'nice' there...
These cartel guys make billions-millions of dollars....do you really think they want to live in some hole in the wall- small ranch-town? What good is all that money if you can't spend it?
DUH
LOL....Do you have any common sense? Criminals want to blend in, they want to NOT get killed or caught, they want to be surrounded by people they know and can trust, they want to keep making lots of money and not screw that up, they DONT want to piss of their boss or the govt........ITS A LITTLE HARD TO DO THAT in a tourist resort when you have strangers & new people checking into the units next to you, across from you, behind you every few days. (are these strangers cops? are they dea? are they other cartel that wants them dead? )
Cartel guys want to be in set neighborhoods and areas surrounded by people they can trust who wont point them out, turn them in & they know everyone who is supposed to be in that area......SORRY but a American tourist resort is the WORST place for these guys and they just found that out the hard way.
No wonder his own Cartel leader gave info to the military to take him out. HE WAS AN IDIOT CRIMINAL WHO MADE THE WRONG DECISIONS LIKE MOVING INTO A TOURIST RESORT.
And news flash for you buddy, a cartel guy can spend their money on many nice things easily all over Mexico without spending their cash on a frekin neon sign over their head saying ( come kill me im the idiot in the American Resort )...Its a little hard for a cartel guy to spend his cash when hes dead...
( Mexico Thinks he knows it all Joe ) & Jerry...Think before you speak...I NEVER said shooting up a resort was the answer......and ( Know it all ) just because your a kid who smokes cartel weed and lives in the USA & goes to RP once a year doesnt make you an expert on the cartels or RP. You are ABSOLUTELY wrong the cartels DO NOT have to be living in the American Resorts on Sandy Beach to effectively monitor their drug shipments thru Sonora. Their is a million other safer better places for them to hide in the area like small ranches outside of town, a small house deep in town, nearby larger non tourist towns, etc etc...
Read my posts and THINK before you respond. The silent majority on this forum is tired of you fools who never have anything constructive to add to the discussion and simply bash people because they dare speak on YOUR forum. Just because you & Jerry sit at your computer 24/7 in Arizona and have been posting thousands of useless messages on this site doesnt make you the expert on cartels and RP. I live in RP I would have to say I have a better idea of whats going on here than you.
Everyone on this forum knows you all just bash and argue w/ anyone who is pro resorts & development in RP......Its getting really old guys.......There is a better forum for you guys to join & spend your 24/7 on its the www.ihatelifeandimbitter.com forum
Enough of the name calling, Joe - Stuart
You're hilarious BRO. This is how I know I've effectively set up shop in your head. I like it in here, it's ROOMY. First of all, I'm not a kid, gracias verga. Secondly, if you were actually a part of this forum you would know my stance on CARTEL WEED as you refer to it. In addition, I can't say that I'm a big timer like you and live in RP but I've been going for 16 years and come down about 8-10 times per year as I have friends that live in town. I wouldn't qualify myself as an expert but I have done a lot of reading over the years, mainly from 2006 till present and I have friends that are very knowledgeable and well versed on the subject. Now JERRY on the other hand, he's a FULL BLOWN EXPERT. If they are SILENT then how do we know they are the MAJORITY? I know that's a hard concept for you to understand as it takes critical thinking to understand the principle. I've been a loyal poster to this forum for almost 4 years now and I'm sure some do get frustrated with me but regardless this is an OPEN DISCUSSION FORUM. You on the other hand come out of the wood work, having 18 total posts and talk to me like you represent the sentiment of the forum as a whole. I can assure you that JERRY does not sit at his computer 24/7. Jerry is a fricken HERO. You wouldn't know this because you're not an intricate part of this forum but I can assure you that JERRY doesn't post from AZ like you think. I can't understand as to how you would know the contents of my posts considering I don't even know who you are. Nobody does. Since you live in RP and have a better idea of what is going on there than I do, at what point did you find out or know that MP was living in RP??????? I have personally spent time with CONNECTED persons living in BS 2 summers ago. I'm also not naive as 5 tons of MOTA was found in a storage unit on Sandy Beach a couple of years back. Not to mention the number of incidents along the highway, bodies being found, small isolated confrontations throughout town. You would seriously have to have your head in the sand to not believe that the cartel has been here for years and will be here for many more.
I have a better idea, why don't you get off of the forum and try to do some investigative reading and find out some of this info for yourself so I dont have to keep correcting you.
Also, keep picking a fight with JERRY. I just bought a bunch of popcorn and I want to sit back and watch him tear you apart!
There are a few people that I listen to when they speak on this subject. I listen and absorb because I've been on this forum long enough to know that these select individuals have the most knowledge on this subject and the region in general.
DOG, LAGRIMAS, ROBERTO, JERRY, KENNY, STUART and MELISSA. Our theory is a widely adopted theory and it isn't my PERSONAL belief. It is widely accepted as general knowledge.
But I guess that's hard when you have your head soaking in that pigeon coop whirl pool jacuzzi.
LOL....Do you have any common sense? Criminals want to blend in, they want to NOT get killed or caught, they want to be surrounded by people they know and can trust, they want to keep making lots of money and not screw that up, they DONT want to piss of their boss or the govt........ITS A LITTLE HARD TO DO THAT in a tourist resort when you have strangers & new people checking into the units next to you, across from you, behind you every few days. (are these strangers cops? are they dea? are they other cartel that wants them dead? )
Cartel guys want to be in set neighborhoods and areas surrounded by people they can trust who wont point them out, turn them in & they know everyone who is supposed to be in that area......SORRY but a American tourist resort is the WORST place for these guys and they just found that out the hard way.
No wonder his own Cartel leader gave info to the military to take him out. HE WAS AN IDIOT CRIMINAL WHO MADE THE WRONG DECISIONS LIKE MOVING INTO A TOURIST RESORT.
And news flash for you buddy, a cartel guy can spend their money on many nice things easily all over Mexico without spending their cash on a frekin neon sign over their head saying ( come kill me im the idiot in the American Resort )...Its a little hard for a cartel guy to spend his cash when hes dead...
BRO!!! I think you watched Savages too much!!! This isn't Hollywood BRO!!! LOL Do you think the cartel walks around, drives around town, strapped up with a tactical vest and a CHINO DE CUERVO hanging over his shoulder?????????
Seriously, can you please tell me what the cartel looks like in your mind, please. You're cracking me up.
LOL....Do you have any common sense? Criminals want to blend in, they want to NOT get killed or caught, they want to be surrounded by people they know and can trust, they want to keep making lots of money and not screw that up, they DONT want to piss of their boss or the govt........ITS A LITTLE HARD TO DO THAT in a tourist resort when you have strangers & new people checking into the units next to you, across from you, behind you every few days. (are these strangers cops? are they dea? are they other cartel that wants them dead? )
Cartel guys want to be in set neighborhoods and areas surrounded by people they can trust who wont point them out, turn them in & they know everyone who is supposed to be in that area......SORRY but a American tourist resort is the WORST place for these guys and they just found that out the hard way.
No wonder his own Cartel leader gave info to the military to take him out. HE WAS AN IDIOT CRIMINAL WHO MADE THE WRONG DECISIONS LIKE MOVING INTO A TOURIST RESORT.
And news flash for you buddy, a cartel guy can spend their money on many nice things easily all over Mexico without spending their cash on a frekin neon sign over their head saying ( come kill me im the idiot in the American Resort )...Its a little hard for a cartel guy to spend his cash when hes dead...
Hey Roberto, it smells like puke in here don't you think?
BRO!!! I think you watched Savages too much!!! This isn't Hollywood BRO!!! LOL Do you think the cartel walks around, drives around town, strapped up with a tactical vest and a CHINO DE CUERVO hanging over his shoulder?????????
Seriously, can you please tell me what the cartel looks like in your mind, please. You're cracking me up.
I found Savages to be a HUGE disappointment. Seriously, whoever cast Blake Lively in the female lead should be shot. No nudity WTF.
You're hilarious BRO. This is how I know I've effectively set up shop in your head. I like it in here, it's ROOMY. First of all, I'm not a kid, gracias verga. Secondly, if you were actually a part of this forum you would know my stance on CARTEL WEED as you refer to it. In addition, I can't say that I'm a big timer like you and live in RP but I've been going for 16 years and come down about 8-10 times per year as I have friends that live in town. I wouldn't qualify myself as an expert but I have done a lot of reading over the years, mainly from 2006 till present and I have friends that are very knowledgeable and well versed on the subject. Now JERRY on the other hand, he's a FULL BLOWN EXPERT. If they are SILENT then how do we know they are the MAJORITY? I know that's a hard concept for you to understand as it takes critical thinking to understand the principle. I've been a loyal poster to this forum for almost 4 years now and I'm sure some do get frustrated with me but regardless this is an OPEN DISCUSSION FORUM. You on the other hand come out of the wood work, having 18 total posts and talk to me like you represent the sentiment of the forum as a whole. I can assure you that JERRY does not sit at his computer 24/7. Jerry is a fricken HERO. You wouldn't know this because you're not an intricate part of this forum but I can assure you that JERRY doesn't post from AZ like you think. I can't understand as to how you would know the contents of my posts considering I don't even know who you are. Nobody does. Since you live in RP and have a better idea of what is going on there than I do, at what point did you find out or know that MP was living in RP??????? I have personally spent time with CONNECTED persons living in BS 2 summers ago. I'm also not naive as 5 tons of MOTA was found in a storage unit on Sandy Beach a couple of years back. Not to mention the number of incidents along the highway, bodies being found, small isolated confrontations throughout town. You would seriously have to have your head in the sand to not believe that the cartel has been here for years and will be here for many more.
I have a better idea, why don't you get off of the forum and try to do some investigative reading and find out some of this info for yourself so I dont have to keep correcting you.
Also, keep picking a fight with JERRY. I just bought a bunch of popcorn and I want to sit back and watch him tear you apart!
There are a few people that I listen to when they speak on this subject. I listen and absorb because I've been on this forum long enough to know that these select individuals have the most knowledge on this subject and the region in general.
DOG, LAGRIMAS, ROBERTO, JERRY, KENNY, STUART and MELISSA. Our theory is a widely adopted theory and it isn't my PERSONAL belief. It is widely accepted as general knowledge.
But I guess that's hard when you have your head soaking in that pigeon coop whirl pool jacuzzi.
I know the Silent Majority! It's everyone that listens to conservative (is there any other kind?) Talk Radio! You know, the same Silent Majority that elected Obama twice....
I found Savages to be a HUGE disappointment. Seriously, whoever cast Blake Lively in the female lead should be shot. No nudity WTF.
She was type cast. I'm pretty sure she's a freak in every roll I've seen her in. I'd rather have Selma! But 1994 Desperado Selma!!! OMG She was hot!! Still is
Psssshaw. The BEST Salma was when she was doing the Snake Dance in "From Dusk to Dawn." I don't think I've ever seen anything more seductive in my life.
Joe, even after your buddy Kenny explained how he had to put you in line, and you yourself admitted what a jerk you can be at times, you come back with this??
Stuart, just because he is saying this stuff in Spanish, doesn't mean he can't be sent away to banned camp for a while, does it?
If he keeps it up, yes. Wouldn't be the first time he's had a time out.
<got it>
You are totally out of control Joe.
Go to another forum where you can insult people with vile and vulgar comments and name calling.
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the same way?
Derail? Naaaah... it was filmed at Guau-Guau!!! Salma was a young dancer there when, while visiting Puerto Penasco and writing the script "From Dusk to Dawn," Quentin Tarentino discovered her and decided to share her with the world, launching a great Hollywood career.
What, y'all didn't know that? I thought everyone did! ;)
Derail? Naaaah... it was filmed at Guau-Guau!!! Salma was a young dancer there when, while visiting Puerto Penasco and writing the script "from Dusk to Dawn," Quentin Tarentino discovered her and decided to share her with the world, launching a great Hollywood career.
What, y'all didn't know that? I thought everyone did! ;)
Joe, even after your buddy Kenny explained how he had to put you in line, and you yourself admitted what a jerk you can be at times, you come back with this??
Stuart, just because he is saying this stuff in Spanish, doesn't mean he can't be sent away to banned camp for a while, does it? If he keeps it up, yes. Wouldn't be the first time he's had a time out.
<got it>
You are totally out of control Joe.
Go to another forum where you can insult people with vile and vulgar comments and name calling.
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the same way?
My God Larry, stop being such a whinny girly man. For some of us on here this is our third forum and though I've been attacked more times than I can remember (hell, they even brought in a ringer during the election to come at me) I've never asked that anyone, not ever, be banned from our forms.
My God Larry, stop being such a whinny girly man. For some of us on here this is our third forum and though I've been attacked more times than I can remember (hell, they even brought in a ringer during the election to come at me) I've never asked that anyone, not ever, be banned from our forms.
Hey Kenny , did you ever figure out who hired that ringer*, no it was not I.
Stewart and Joe, we built an entry door for Luis Perez of Los Lobos and he did the music for this movie.He had great behind the scenes pictures of the cast.Antonio was the nicest actor he had meet to this day
Joe, even after your buddy Kenny explained how he had to put you in line, and you yourself admitted what a jerk you can be at times, you come back with this??
Don't confuse the fact that I contacted Joe (years ago) about his behavior because I was concerned about you or anyone else on this Forum Larry, because I wasn't.
My God Larry, stop being such a whinny girly man. For some of us on here this is our third forum and though I've been attacked more times than I can remember (hell, they even brought in a ringer during the election to come at me) I've never asked that anyone, not ever, be banned from our forms.
Well, chalk one up to you Kenny, you tough guy you! Gosh Kenny, I wish I were such a stud as you are. You are my new idol.
Bottom line, you know Joe is out of line, you have called him on it yourself, and now you are backtracking.
I could care less if you have or have not asked for someone to be banned.
Your LOVER, Jerry, has been banned before, for his over the top BS, so there are times when it is necessary.
All you libs stick together in both your support of one another, and your hypocrisy.
It's funny to watch, but sad seeing your intellectual dishonesty.
My God Larry, stop being such a whinny girly man. For some of us on here this is our third forum and though I've been attacked more times than I can remember (hell, they even brought in a ringer during the election to come at me) I've never asked that anyone, not ever, be banned from our forms.
Ever notice it's people like you and me that take all the heat yet we never complain to the moderators when we are attacked & derogatory terms are used against us or ask that anyone be banned?
Ever notice it's people like you and me that take all the heat yet we never complain to the moderators when we are attacked & derogatory terms are used against us or ask that anyone be banned?
And for the most part we show our faces and use our real names. In other words, we don't live in fear.
And for the most part we show our faces and use our real names. In other words, we don't live in fear.
True that. Most know mine but about half my friends use the nickname which is really a second nickname. I don't even know who I am anymore!
I also answer to a-hole.
Well, chalk one up to you Kenny, you tough guy you! Gosh Kenny, I wish I were such a stud as you are. You are my new idol.
Bottom line, you know Joe is out of line, you have called him on it yourself, and now you are backtracking.
I could care less if you have or have not asked for someone to be banned.
Your LOVER, Jerry, has been banned before, for his over the top BS, so there are times when it is necessary.
All you libs stick together in both your support of one another, and your hypocrisy.
It's funny to watch, but sad seeing your intellectual dishonesty.
You're a joke Larry. Telling on me? LOL Stuart, Stuart, Stuart, did you see what he wrote? That's the kind of thing you would have gotten beat up for in grade school so what makes you think it's a good idea as an adult?! I wasn't even talking to you anyways.
You talk about hypocrisy and name calling and then you go and make a homosexual reference towards Jerry and then you had to get that political jab in there too. Both ban-able offenses and you're worried because I said Mike head in his butt. SMH
