jben said:From CNN: Turns out at least one of the cartel's weapons came courtesy of the US gov't:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/31/justice/mexican-shootout-fast-and-furious/index.html
Arizona2010 said:In the CNN story, if you don't catch it correctly, the reporter almost makes it sound like there were American tourists who took photos of helicopter gunships shooting at the cartel.
mis2810 said:There were. They are posted on here.
seagrace said:addendum - if you take the Pirate Ship dinner cruise, stay away from the "dinner" option. Fortunately, we avoided this, but for the Canadians that thought this was a sit-down dinner, it was kinda rough. "mixed drinks" = margaritas, and I dunno what kind of beer it was, but there was plenty of it. The on-board show was very entertaining and despite getting stuck in the mud (twice) coming into the harbor, we had a glorious time.
Arizona2010 said:I think this is yet another reason in justifying the force that was used so the odds were overwhelming to take out those cartel members that day. Had not enough force and not enough soldiers been used that morning, and Macho or other members slipped away, that too could prove catastrophic in the public relations campaign by Puerto Penasco to reassure American tourists that things were safe and under control. Had they gotten away, I am sure many Americans would have been questioning the effectiveness of law enforcement and the military's capabilities and in turn their own safety.
Mexico Joe said:Without a body, can't you at least say it's possible that he isn't dead?
Mexico Joe said:Although I believe he is, I'm just asking, is there a reasonable doubt? Matching DNA samples from blood only shows that MP was bleeding at some point. Doesn't mean he died...
playaperro said:By the amount of blood left at the scene, no one could of lived, plus the bounty on him he was probably taken by the same people that planned the attack. Just sayn'
HolaAmigos said:I am looking for some details on the blue van in the attached picture. It was facing north going away from Bella Sirena. Do we know anything about its passengers? Please post or PM me, thanks.
Terry C said:Is that the same one that got pushed up to the main gate on the outside?
Estero said:Wasn't somebody asking about stats? This map shows the cities in Mexico where Americans were reported murdered in the last three years. 220 over 3 years with the bulk in 2011 at 113 and the low in 2013 at 36.
http://batchgeo.com/map/b5c56b01dda7d215e3229a7ee2c1d0f4
dry heat said:I think something is up with getting rid of middle management in the sinaloa cartel. below is a link of the capture of another department head. I wonder if ownership is cleaning house...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/free/20140103top-enforcer-sinaloa-cartel-nabbed-by-dutch.html
Estero said:You can run a report here at the State Department http://travel.state.gov/law/family_issues/death/death_600.html?country=0
that breaks out car accidents, homicides, drownings, etc. I ran a report for 2011-2013 which is attached. So whoever made the map got the data from the state department site and then extrapolated the data to make that map.
French Polynesia Report - Death by Non-Natural Causes
jerry said:I thought Brian Williams was murdered by his brother there...girlfriend too
Disappearance in the South Pacific[edit]
On 6 July 2002 Dele and his girlfriend, Serena Karlan, along with skipper Bertrand Saldo, sailed from Tahiti on Dele's catamaran, the Hukuna Matata.[3]Dele's brother, Miles Dabord (born Kevin Williams), was the only person involved in the voyage who was seen or heard from after 8 July 2002, when the last of three satellite phone calls from the voyage was made.[3] Dele and Karlan had previously kept regular contact with their banks and family members. On 20 July 2002 Dabord was by himself when he brought the boat into Tahiti.[7]
On 5 September 2002 police used a sting operation organized by Dele's family and friends to detain Dabord in Phoenix, Arizona. Dabord had forged his brother's signature in order to buy US$152,000 worth of gold under his brother's name. He had used Dele's passport as identification.[8] Mexican police later found that Dabord had been staying at a hotel in Tijuana, Mexico. Two days before the Hukuna Matata, which had been registered in Tahiti under another name, was found off the coast of Tahiti with its name plate removed and some possible bullet holes patched. About the same time, Dabord phoned his and Dele's mother, Patricia Phillips, telling her that he would never hurt his brother and that he could not survive in prison.[9]
The FBI became involved in the investigation along with the French authorities and concluded that Dele, Karlan and Saldo were probably killed and then thrown overboard, or forced to walk off the boat into the ocean, by Dabord. Given that the bodies were likely dumped in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, it would be highly unlikely that the three would ever be found.[8][2]
Dabord, the only first-person source of information regarding the case, intentionally overdosed on insulin and slipped into a coma. On 27 September 2002 Dabord died in a California hospital. In his account of events, Dabord said he and his brother had fought, that Karlan had been accidentally hit and died when her head struck part of the boat. The captain Saldo had wanted to report her death and a panicked Dele had killed him; Dabord then shot his brother in self-defense, threw the bodies overboard and subsequently fled back to the U.S.[3] After Dabord's suicide, officials did not expect to find much more regarding the case. A memorial service was then held for both Dabord and Dele.
Dabord and Dele were frequently at odds with each other. After Dabord's death, his lawyer and lifelong best friend, Paul White, was questioned regarding his client but gave little information about what happened. Dabord had said that he knew for sure that Dele and Karlan were in French Polynesia, but not much more other than that he was trying to help Dele.[8]
garyd said:Seems like this thread has gone off track
playaperro said:Where did you conduct this Interview? On the malecon? Hope he stays XXXmilitary.....
Stuart said:^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
So where, exactly, did the local "vigilantes" happen to come by that kind of firepower? We're not talking torches, pitchforks and old rusty squirrel guns here - they have serious automatic weapons. Not like they walked into WalMart and bought 'em. Things that make you go "Hmmmmm...." Beckons back to my point of knowing who the bad guys and the good guys really are -- sometimes one and the same.
AZRob said:They dont look new, I think more than 3 countries made ak 47 and sold them all over the world. Dont forget the head guy is a doctor. Im sure someone gave them to him or gave a hell of a good deal.
He was transported in a fed. chopper and is in the wrong in the mexicos gov.'s eyes. Hmmmmmmmmm?
A person like that in the eyes of the people would make one heck of a leader.
Roberto said:Convoy leaving for Apatzingan at 7AM sharp tomorrow. Meet at the road to La Pinta. Bring your own body armor.
Stuart said:See you there... just look for my F250.
PintoPoint said:I am curious what the jack stand in the front is for. Maybe to change the tires.
mis2810 said:More news about Mexicans taking matters into their own hands: http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2014/01/autodefensa-narco-corrido-singer-el.html#comment-form
jerry said:The Chicago case is showing the DEA was in bed with Chapo and is a guilty party in the ramped up Mexican Cartel war.By siding with the Sinaloa Cartel we have made the violence worse.......as usual we suck
Stuart said:No doubt he's viewed as doing the job the government couldn't/wouldn't do. The bigger point is - isn't arming the local populace and going on Templar hunting trips just replacing one outlaw group (the cartel) with another outlaw group that has their own agenda and still doesn't report to the government/law enforcement? I mean, what if I armed the local population here in Tempe and we took over city hall and kicked out all of the police and started making our own laws and rules? We're talking revolution here, in the truest sense of the word.
Eh, maybe it's what needs to happen, but there is no guarantee that the end result is going to be the one that was wanted -- similar to the situation we see in Iraq right now reverting to hell in a handbasket between warring factions.
AZRob said:I think there might be the makings of a independence war about to happen. I would say 90% of them are ex army, when the government and the cartel are bad and dirty, what else is there for the people to do? I would not put it past the US, if they were not helping out in this. All he needs is more supporters more weapons and the love and trust of the people of Mexico and he will become the new leader. Maybe its time for change in Mexico. If he gains enough support from the people you know some country will step in and help him finish the task.
Kenny said:You're talking about a "failed State"!!
HILL BOY said:Now I have been on this earth many years and most on the wild side and have not had that many brushes with death! Do you think that you need to visit a church of your choice.
Luna said:I completely and totally agree - make it legal already!
(Cannot wait to see what I stirred up with this comment:cool:)
artisticdiva said:No Kenny, it's like being pregnant.
Ladyjeeper said:I did, Kenny!
Ladyjeeper said:Ok by me...
I didn't hear about that
jerry said:Still when something bad happens in the America North police,fire and emergency services actually protect and serve.A fire at a 8 story pigeon coop will be attacked by a fire truck that has a 40 foot ladder.In Lobos on easter a guy had both his legs severed at the hips in a gruesome 4 wheeling accident.Hundreds called emergency services and no one could get through....guy had to drive out to highway and flag down ambulance. Mexico shows us a vision of our future...not bad but not together by any definition.
jerry said:Still when something bad happens in the America North police,fire and emergency services actually protect and serve.A fire at a 8 story pigeon coop will be attacked by a fire truck that has a 40 foot ladder.In Lobos on easter a guy had both his legs severed at the hips in a gruesome 4 wheeling accident.Hundreds called emergency services and no one could get through....guy had to drive out to highway and flag down ambulance. Mexico shows us a vision of our future...not bad but not together by any definition.
Retire36 said:Your house is too big! (Just kidding, must be nice.)