Rocky Point Talk archive

Stolen car!!

Started by sheep3mom · Jun 26, 2013 · 67 replies
sheep3mom
Our car was stolen from near the Granada Hotel on the Mirador. We were snorkeling and when we got out of the water our car was gone. It is a 2012 Black Ford Mustang. It has Oklahoma tags on it and two bumper stickers on the back. One is an Obama Sticker and one is a picture of four Native American Chiefs. If you see it, please let me know or call Rosy and the police. Thank you.
garyd
OBAMA sticker? I have not seen one of those in a while. :party:
InkaRoads
Hi Pam, just put a post on FB, hopefully it will be found soon!
sheep3mom
What a nice reply to a plea for help.
sheep3mom
InkaRoads said:
Hi Pam, just put a post on FB, hopefully it will be found soon!


Thank you!!!
GV Jack
sheep3mom said:
What a nice reply to a plea for help.


Pam...remember, every village has an idiot....
jerry
I put it on a tourist guide group page from Caborca....they know people everywhere in Sonora and are always driving around.The fear I would have is it is in a chop shop in Puerto Penasco.
mrnoyb
Most Ford products, including the Mustang, have all been equipped with a passive anti theft system (since model year 2000) which protects against drive away theft without a properly coded key. Either the culprits had a key or they used a tow truck to steal the vehicle.
Mexico Joe
mrnoyb said:
Most Ford products, including the Mustang, have all been equipped with a passive anti theft system (since model year 2000) which protects against drive away theft without a properly coded key. Either the culprits had a key or they used a tow truck to steal the vehicle.



Owner's key
Stuart
mrnoyb said:
Most Ford products, including the Mustang, have all been equipped with a passive anti theft system (since model year 2000) which protects against drive away theft without a properly coded key. Either the culprits had a key or they used a tow truck to steal the vehicle.


Because many Fords are built in Mexico now, I was told by the Mexican locksmith when my F-250 was nearly stolen, that many master keys have walked out of the factory and are out on the streets. In my case, they jammed a key into the ignition, but it broke off without starting the truck and the scumbag trying to steal my truck fled. We later watched it on hotel video and he was in and out of the truck in under two minutes.

I still highly recommend an anti-theft device, NOT an alarm system. You can search this forum for Ravelco or google Arizona Ravelco. The simplest yet most effective solution to vehicle theft.

I'm very sorry to hear your Mustang got stolen.
Roberto
Intense police activity along Calle 13 this morning, maybe they saw your car?
sheep3mom
Roberto said:
Intense police activity along Calle 13 this morning, maybe they saw your car?


I would love that. They were terrific yesterday - as were Ericka and Daniel from the SSea and Rosy, of course. Everyone was great - and I am sure they are looking for it.
sheep3mom
GV Jack said:
Pam...remember, every village has an idiot....


That post is gone - embarrassed? Maybe. Everyone else has been so nice and helpful - makes it somewhat easier.
Terry C
He might be on vacation or sitting in the corner for a while. ........
Stuart
His post went on vacation and he was politely asked to temper his comments and learn to play well with others. Or... go sit in the corner. :puff:
sheep3mom
Thanks to Ericka, Daniel, Israel, and Jesus! WE FOUND THE STOLEN CAR!!! It was a joy-ride and almost everything is still in the car!! The Puerto Penasco Police Force was amazing! We can pick up the car in the morning - PP has been totally professional and helpful. One more reason to love it here!!!
mis2810
sheep3mom said:
Thanks to Ericka, Daniel, Israel, and Jesus! WE FOUND THE STOLEN CAR!!! It was a joy-ride and almost everything is still in the car!! The Puerto Penasco Police Force was amazing! We can pick up the car in the morning - PP has been totally professional and helpful. One more reason to love it here!!!
So glad it all worked out well! Could have happened anywhere, and the police may NOT have been as helpful somewhere else!
Kenny
Whew, thats great news and I could hear the sigh of relief all the way up here in Prescott. Long shot but maybe you know a friend of mine from our Cherokee Indian Nation in Oklahoma, Roger Johnson?
sheep3mom
Kenny said:
Whew, thats great news and I could hear the sigh of relief all the way up here in Prescott. Long shot but maybe you know a friend of mine from our Cherokee Indian Nation in Oklahoma, Roger Johnson?


I don't think so, Kenny. Where does he live? We are in Tulsa!
Hooch
sheep3mom said:
Thanks to Ericka, Daniel, Israel, and Jesus! WE FOUND THE STOLEN CAR!!! It was a joy-ride and almost everything is still in the car!! The Puerto Penasco Police Force was amazing! We can pick up the car in the morning - PP has been totally professional and helpful. One more reason to love it here!!!


Was the Obama sticker still left on it or was it ripped off and burnt next to the found vehicle? lol
sheep3mom
I need to say again how helpful and terrific everyone has been during this ordeal! People on social media, people we know a bit from our time here, friends here, Rosy, the police!! This has been handled in such a warm and wonderful way!! Someone mentioned that this wouldn't have necessarily been true in other places - that is very true indeed. So thank you to Puerto Penasco and the people who live here! Thanks.
sheep3mom
Hooch said:
Was the Obama sticker still left on it or was it ripped off and burnt next to the found vehicle? lol


So glad your sympathetic presence is back, Hooch. The Obama sticker was exactly where we had it, along with the Native American sticker that says "Fighting Terrorism Since 1492"
mis2810
sheep3mom said:
So glad your sympathetic presence is back, Hooch. The Obama sticker was exactly where we had it, along with the Native American sticker that says "Fighting Terrorism Since 1492"
If I could have "liked" this post more than once, I would have!
Stuart
Please see my Private Message to you.
Kenny
sheep3mom said:
I don't think so, Kenny. Where does he live? We are in Tulsa!


Rogers in Skiatook and I think you'd like him...From Roger..

AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION

A review of the campaign donations of the Cherokee Nation candidates seeking to be re-elected or newly elected, reveals an amazing fact. Consider the following candidates, Jack Baker, Meredith Frailey, Don Garvin, Lonus Mithchell, Harley Buzzard, Sherri Doolin, Tamsey Dreadfullwater and Joe Adair. None of these are endorsed by Bill John Baker. In addition, if you add... all of the above 8 candidates campaign contributions together the sum does not even add up to just one of the candidates supported by BJB. So, what is to be learned here? The above candidates are being supported by the average Cherokee citizenship. The others, by BJB, wealthy businesses with return favors expected, The State and Federal Democratic Party, out of state interest and personal aids, all with expectations of financial gain. Who are you going to vote for?
Roberto
sheep3mom said:
I need to say again how helpful and terrific everyone has been during this ordeal! People on social media, people we know a bit from our time here, friends here, Rosy, the police!! This has been handled in such a warm and wonderful way!! Someone mentioned that this wouldn't have necessarily been true in other places - that is very true indeed. So thank you to Puerto Penasco and the people who live here! Thanks.


Good news !! Was anyone able to determine how they got in and got it started?
azfish
That is good to hear that the PP police department was on top of this with speed and grace. Now only if they can find the snot that took it. I wont make a comment about the sticker. LOL!!!!:rofl:
azfish
"Its time for change" :notme:
Hooch
sheep3mom said:
So glad your sympathetic presence is back, Hooch. The Obama sticker was exactly where we had it, along with the Native American sticker that says "Fighting Terrorism Since 1492"

He'll if it wasn't for the 1492 terrorists you wouldn't have a Mexico beach house or a mexican people to spend your hard earned money on lol
Kenny
To live without using your ability to discover, to learn, to facilitate positive change in the world, you are denying yourself the ability to live fully and leave the world better than you found it. Ignorance makes you part of the problem, knowledge makes you part of the solution. You Hooch, are part of the problem.
Hooch
No Kenny I am the solution, ending stupidity where it started, oddly enough with your generation. Still lol about the 1492 terrisses lol learn your post and pre Colombian history before you spew your BS lol
jerry
Hard to be angry at anything today at the beach...except that damn cloud....must yell at it
Kenny
My ancestors were here before Columbus or the Conquistadors and I know much about those times, but that's not my point...Thanks though, you proved once again that you're just off somewhere in la la land..
Hooch
So Kenny your ancestors were Mexicans before Coronado and Cortes changed the bloodline? You look pretty white to me for an Indio.
Kenny
jerry said:
Hard to be angry at anything today at the beach...except that damn cloud....must yell at it

Yell up this way as well Jerry, but for rain. It was a little over a 100 today, but cloudy. We had a few drops a while ago but I don't think it's going to happen. Looking at 101 for tomorrow.
Kenny
Hooch said:
So Kenny your ancestors were Mexicans before Coronado and Cortes changed the bloodline? You look pretty white to me for an Indio.
My ancestors were in whats now the Carolina's, Georgia and Tennessee.
Again, you prove my point!
Hooch
Ahh he'll then let's make some whiskey in my bathtub fellow southerner
mis2810
Hooch said:
He'll if it wasn't for the 1492 terrorists you wouldn't have a Mexico beach house or a mexican people to spend your hard earned money on lol


In case you didn't already know, there were people in Mexico before the 1492 terrorists. A very highly organized society as a matter of fact - apart from human sacrifice. Americans, Columbus, the Spanish and the rest of them didn't "DISCOVER" anything! It was already there! They just came to steal, rape and pillage! I'm sure your ancestors were one of them.
mis2810
Hooch said:
No Kenny I am the solution, ending stupidity where it started

So you promise not to have children?
Terry C
This was a car stolen thread. Keep it that way. I'm glad she got her car back.
mis2810
Terry C said:
This was a car stolen thread. Keep it that way. I'm glad she got her car back.


Sorry Terry, I know you're right. The arrogance just makes my blood boil . . . .
playaperro
What car?
Hooch
mis2810 said:
In case you didn't already know, there were people in Mexico before the 1492 terrorists. A very highly organized society as a matter of fact - apart from human sacrifice. Americans, Columbus, the Spanish and the rest of them didn't "DISCOVER" anything! It was already there! They just came to steal, rape and pillage! I'm sure your ancestors were one of them.

And the Spanish language came from where professor? Lol sweet **** if you wanna talk post Colombian history please remove your head from your ass. Thanks
jerry
So back to the car...as a guy who lives at a place (santo Tomas) where you can leave the keys in the Atv or car with no worries I never lock anything.....I bet is you left them under the floor mat...right?
sheep3mom
Terry C said:
This was a car stolen thread. Keep it that way. I'm glad she got her car back.


Thank you, Terry!
sheep3mom
jerry said:
So back to the car...as a guy who lives at a place (santo Tomas) where you can leave the keys in the Atv or car with no worries I never lock anything.....I bet is you left them under the floor mat...right?


No, in my beach cover-up on the beach while we snorkeled. Have done it before, won't do it again.
Stuart
Ya just gotta love how threads turn into a bunch of "Yo momma" jokes around here. :puff:
Roberto
mis2810 said:
So you promise not to have children?



Ja ja ja ja you get a gold star for that one, even though it's off topic !!
Last edited: Jun 29, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Roberto
sheep3mom said:
No, in my beach cover-up on the beach while we snorkeled. Have done it before, won't do it again.


Sounds like it was someone who hangs around there a lot if they were bold enough to search through your stuff and knew which car it was. Were you parked in the lot behind the hotel or in the street?
I live a block from there and petty theft is prevalent in the area but police patroling is frequent too. I watch the bicycle riders scoping things out every morning and it's a favorite parking and entry point to the beach for the vendors, but I'm frankly surprised about the magnitude and boldness of this.
sheep3mom
Roberto said:
Sounds like it was someone who hangs around there a lot if they were bold enough to search through your stuff and knew which car it was. Were you parked in the lot behind the hotel or in the street?
I live a block from there and petty theft is prevalent in the area but police patroling is frequent too. I watch the bicycle riders scoping things out every morning and it's a favorite parking and entry point to the beach for the vendors, but I'm frankly surprised about the magnitude and boldness of this.


We were parked on the road leading to the hotel parking lot next to the wall. Only car there so it wasn't exactly hard to figure it out. I am sure he was looking for money and found the keys - should have left money instead!! Wonder if he realized there wasn't much he could do with the car in RP and abandoned it. Only had been driven a few miles. Took the owners manual and a GPS that doesn't work in Mexico, an iPhone, a bit of money, my drivers license, a snorkel and hairbrush in my beach bag- and my favorite coverup. Bag was black with little multi colored owls all over it - take note if you see one like that!
Roberto
I'm watchin for the Owls !!
sheep3mom
Roberto said:
I'm watchin for the Owls !!


Thanks, Roberto!!
Mexico Joe
sheep3mom said:
We were parked on the road leading to the hotel parking lot next to the wall. Only car there so it wasn't exactly hard to figure it out. I am sure he was looking for money and found the keys - should have left money instead!! Wonder if he realized there wasn't much he could do with the car in RP and abandoned it. Only had been driven a few miles. Took the owners manual and a GPS that doesn't work in Mexico, an iPhone, a bit of money, my drivers license, a snorkel and hairbrush in my beach bag- and my favorite coverup. Bag was black with little multi colored owls all over it - take note if you see one like that!



Same exact thing happened to me in the same spot back in 2007, July 4th weekend. My buddy and I met a few girls at Manny's and uuughh we went snorkeling too at 4am with the girls lol and the same exact thing happened. It happened on the beach right in front of the Pataya. Someone had gone through our shorts while my buddy and I were preoccupied. The person took the keys to my truck, money from me and my buddy's shorts, his cell phone and his shoes lol. I'm about 98% sure it was an inside job as the security guard for the Pataya was standing near bye and saw everything. He told us and the police that he knew the guy that took our stuff and we went on a little show me something scavenger hunt through town to no avail. The first thing we did was go to my truck so they couldnt steal it. It was parked at the BAJA Hotel up the street to the west. It ended up being a really long Saturday day, our wallets were stolen so no debit cards, we had to have western union money wired, walked all over town that day. My truck had a nice viper alarm with kill start if you dont use the two way pager remote, so getting the truck open took 23 seconds but getting a key made for the ignition and finding a way to bypass the kill switch on the alarm was fun. All of this on a Saturday, 100 degrees on a 4th of July weekend in 2007, still boozed up from the night before, hadnt gone to sleepp yet, my buddy with no shirt or shoes the whole day, finally got home to Cholla Bay at 4pm. NEVER left anything out of my sight ever again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS talk about fortitude, our clothes and belongings were no more than 30 ft from us!!!!!!
sheep3mom
Mexico Joe said:
Same exact thing happened to me in the same spot back in 2007, July 4th weekend. My buddy and I met a few girls at Manny's and uuughh we went snorkeling too at 4am with the girls lol and the same exact thing happened. It happened on the beach right in front of the Pataya. Someone had gone through our shorts while my buddy and I were preoccupied. The person took the keys to my truck, money from me and my buddy's shorts, his cell phone and his shoes lol. I'm about 98% sure it was an inside job as the security guard for the Pataya was standing near bye and saw everything. He told us and the police that he knew the guy that took our stuff and we went on a little show me something scavenger hunt through town to no avail. The first thing we did was go to my truck so they couldnt steal it. It was parked at the BAJA Hotel up the street to the west. It ended up being a really long Saturday day, our wallets were stolen so no debit cards, we had to have western union money wired, walked all over town that day. My truck had a nice viper alarm with kill start if you dont use the two way pager remote, so getting the truck open took 23 seconds but getting a key made for the ignition and finding a way to bypass the kill switch on the alarm was fun. All of this on a Saturday, 100 degrees on a 4th of July weekend in 2007, still boozed up from the night before, hadnt gone to sleepp yet, my buddy with no shirt or shoes the whole day, finally got home to Cholla Bay at 4pm. NEVER left anything out of my sight ever again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS talk about fortitude, our clothes and belongings were no more than 30 ft from us!!!!!!


I've certainly learned my lesson!!
azfish
Mexico Joe said:
Same exact thing happened to me in the same spot back in 2007, July 4th weekend. My buddy and I met a few girls at Manny's and uuughh we went snorkeling too at 4am with the girls lol and the same exact thing happened. It happened on the beach right in front of the Pataya. Someone had gone through our shorts while my buddy and I were preoccupied. The person took the keys to my truck, money from me and my buddy's shorts, his cell phone and his shoes lol. I'm about 98% sure it was an inside job as the security guard for the Pataya was standing near bye and saw everything. He told us and the police that he knew the guy that took our stuff and we went on a little show me something scavenger hunt through town to no avail. The first thing we did was go to my truck so they couldnt steal it. It was parked at the BAJA Hotel up the street to the west. It ended up being a really long Saturday day, our wallets were stolen so no debit cards, we had to have western union money wired, walked all over town that day. My truck had a nice viper alarm with kill start if you dont use the two way pager remote, so getting the truck open took 23 seconds but getting a key made for the ignition and finding a way to bypass the kill switch on the alarm was fun. All of this on a Saturday, 100 degrees on a 4th of July weekend in 2007, still boozed up from the night before, hadnt gone to sleepp yet, my buddy with no shirt or shoes the whole day, finally got home to Cholla Bay at 4pm. NEVER left anything out of my sight ever again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS talk about fortitude, our clothes and belongings were no more than 30 ft from us!!!!!!


Well look on the bright side, atleast you still have your snorkel.
azfish
If there is someone walking down the road with makeup on breathing out of a snorkel brushing their hair and carrying a beach bag with owls on it. I will bet $100 US. thats the person who took the car.
azfish
For sh!ts and giggles, any one have any of the exploding ink packs the bank puts in the money? Leave him a load pair of shorts on the beach. The ink takes a long time to come off.
asprinkles
Joe, all you have to do is disconnect the alarm under the dash. just look at the wire with tape on it and cut. atleast that is how I turned mine off. installed at audio express. the alarm wouldn't shut off , so I popped the fuse panel open and there was a wire taped. I pulled it and wouldn't you know it ,off went the alarm. no more audio express alarms,Leigh
jerry
Mexico Joe said:
Same exact thing happened to me in the same spot back in 2007, July 4th weekend. My buddy and I met a few girls at Manny's and uuughh we went snorkeling too at 4am with the girls lol and the same exact thing happened. It happened on the beach right in front of the Pataya. Someone had gone through our shorts while my buddy and I were preoccupied. The person took the keys to my truck, money from me and my buddy's shorts, his cell phone and his shoes lol. I'm about 98% sure it was an inside job as the security guard for the Pataya was standing near bye and saw everything. He told us and the police that he knew the guy that took our stuff and we went on a little show me something scavenger hunt through town to no avail. The first thing we did was go to my truck so they couldnt steal it. It was parked at the BAJA Hotel up the street to the west. It ended up being a really long Saturday day, our wallets were stolen so no debit cards, we had to have western union money wired, walked all over town that day. My truck had a nice viper alarm with kill start if you dont use the two way pager remote, so getting the truck open took 23 seconds but getting a key made for the ignition and finding a way to bypass the kill switch on the alarm was fun. All of this on a Saturday, 100 degrees on a 4th of July weekend in 2007, still boozed up from the night before, hadnt gone to sleepp yet, my buddy with no shirt or shoes the whole day, finally got home to Cholla Bay at 4pm. NEVER left anything out of my sight ever again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS talk about fortitude, our clothes and belongings were no more than 30 ft from us!!!!!!


Ha! Joe hats off to you and your buddy but these are not quite the same incidents:
You Guys...........banging hookers at 4am while at the very least drunk on your ass.
Sheep3mom.......a middle of the day LaDeeDa beach trip.

The lesson of both stories? Wear one of those waterproof membranes....keeps your "valuables" safe from theft or in the first case infection too.

Northcore™ Surf Accessories : Waterproof Key Pouch
rplarry
Mexico Joe said:
Same exact thing happened to me in the same spot back in 2007, July 4th weekend. My buddy and I met a few girls at Manny's and uuughh we went snorkeling too at 4am with the girls lol and the same exact thing happened. It happened on the beach right in front of the Pataya. Someone had gone through our shorts while my buddy and I were preoccupied. The person took the keys to my truck, money from me and my buddy's shorts, his cell phone and his shoes lol. I'm about 98% sure it was an inside job as the security guard for the Pataya was standing near bye and saw everything. He told us and the police that he knew the guy that took our stuff and we went on a little show me something scavenger hunt through town to no avail. The first thing we did was go to my truck so they couldnt steal it. It was parked at the BAJA Hotel up the street to the west. It ended up being a really long Saturday day, our wallets were stolen so no debit cards, we had to have western union money wired, walked all over town that day. My truck had a nice viper alarm with kill start if you dont use the two way pager remote, so getting the truck open took 23 seconds but getting a key made for the ignition and finding a way to bypass the kill switch on the alarm was fun. All of this on a Saturday, 100 degrees on a 4th of July weekend in 2007, still boozed up from the night before, hadnt gone to sleepp yet, my buddy with no shirt or shoes the whole day, finally got home to Cholla Bay at 4pm. NEVER left anything out of my sight ever again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS talk about fortitude, our clothes and belongings were no more than 30 ft from us!!!!!!


Hey Joe, you don't happen to be from Chicago?

Reason I ask, was wondering if you or your buddy had an "Obama for Community Organizer" on your car??
jerry
Careful Larry....
Kenny
jerry said:
Careful Larry....

I love it when I feel their pain.:woo:
Roberto
Well I'll put out at least a yellow alert on car theft in the Mirador. 2 blocks from Granada. Alarm went off in my vehicle last night, was after midnight. Could have been a short or something as I found no evidence of a break in but I was kind of in a hurry to turn the thing off. Got to the vehicle in maybe less than a minute. I'm pretty sure it does not have a vibration sensor, it is controlled on and off only with the auto lock remote. Put on the steering wheel to brake bar lock. That will slow them down at least.

Another thing that might work like the situation on the beach is to get one of those small portable motion sensor alarms from Radio Shack. Size of a cig pack and it is loud. Set it and slip it under something. I'm gonna get a battery for mine and keep it handy. Hmm who is up for some fun. We can do a set up down there, maybe trap the jerk.
azfish
Roberto said:
Well I'll put out at least a yellow alert on car theft in the Mirador. 2 blocks from Granada. Alarm went off in my vehicle last night, was after midnight. Could have been a short or something as I found no evidence of a break in but I was kind of in a hurry to turn the thing off. Got to the vehicle in maybe less than a minute. I'm pretty sure it does not have a vibration sensor, it is controlled on and off only with the auto lock remote. Put on the steering wheel to brake bar lock. That will slow them down at least.

Another thing that might work like the situation on the beach is to get one of those small portable motion sensor alarms from Radio Shack. Size of a cig pack and it is loud. Set it and slip it under something. I'm gonna get a battery for mine and keep it handy. Hmm who is up for some fun. We can do a set up down there, maybe trap the jerk.


The only way you're going to catch a fast running thief, is with a faster running meth head. If you can get one of those when you pick up batteries you are set for the sting.
azfish
rplarry said:
Hey Joe, you don't happen to be from Chicago?

Reason I ask, was wondering if you or your buddy had an "Obama for Community Organizer" on your car??


I think it was a sticker "please don't disturb, my things are 30' feet from us".
Mexico Joe
jerry said:
Ha! Joe hats off to you and your buddy but these are not quite the same incidents:
You Guys...........banging hookers at 4am while at the very least drunk on your ass.
Sheep3mom.......a middle of the day LaDeeDa beach trip.

The lesson of both stories? Wear one of those waterproof membranes....keeps your "valuables" safe from theft or in the first case infection too.

Northcore™ Surf Accessories : Waterproof Key Pouch



LOL Jerry, fortunately I've been blessed with good genes and pretty good looks so I've never had to pay for the company of a woman. These were two very nice young girls from Georgia in Penasco for the first time and my buddy and I were going to give them that extra RP hospitality! It would have never happened but the PLAYA INN security guard wouldnt take a bribe to let us swim in the pool at 4am so the next best thing was the ocean down the street in front of PATAYA.... SMH the things we do for %#$$^
Mexico Joe
rplarry said:
Hey Joe, you don't happen to be from Chicago?

Reason I ask, was wondering if you or your buddy had an "Obama for Community Organizer" on your car??



So profound Larr, you must have had to dig really deep for that one. No, Im pretty sure I had the little kid pissing on W sticker...
jerry
Mexico Joe said:
LOL Jerry, fortunately I've been blessed with good genes and pretty good looks so I've never had to pay for the company of a woman. These were two very nice young girls from Georgia in Penasco for the first time and my buddy and I were going to give them that extra RP hospitality! It would have never happened but the PLAYA INN security guard wouldnt take a bribe to let us swim in the pool at 4am so the next best thing was the ocean down the street in front of PATAYA.... SMH the things we do for %#$$^

Joe at 4am either really good or really bad stuff happens....it is the a matter of luck....a friend knocked on my window at 4am a few years ago after twin black hookers ran off with his pants and his car keys after he dropped the old trousers at The creepy Tucson Inn honeymoon suite.He is a well known loco politician so he had me go back and break into his car and use his spare key(under the matt). busting a Lexus car window with a hammer is not easy...doing it at 4am,crack head central and driving 15 blocks to my place without the Po Po stopping me was like winning the quinella at Tucson Park.