Awhile ago there was an article in the Tucson paper about a factory opening in rocky point that would be building aircrafts. What is the status of that. I haven't heard anything more
Building aircraft in Rp
Started by fatboyharley · May 22, 2013 · 25 replies
Mexico Representation » Aerospace. Good general story on the industry in Mexico..who knew?
Good link there Jerry. Thanks. Story I heard about the facility here is that it is not happening.
FYI...There is a symposium starting this afternoon in Las Vegas that is sponored by a number of U.S. aircraft
manufacturers that have facilities in Mexico. They have invited a number of existing and potential sub-tier
parts suppliers to attend. The purpose is to encourage companies to develop a supply chain to provide parts
to their Mexican plants. It seems they have problems getting good suppliers who can handle going through
the rigamero (sp) of exporting. It is really simple and I wish I were still in the business because I would be
glad to set up something in Rocky Point or Guymus to help them out.
By the way Jerry, that is an excellent link and I forwarded it to a number of my friends in the business.
manufacturers that have facilities in Mexico. They have invited a number of existing and potential sub-tier
parts suppliers to attend. The purpose is to encourage companies to develop a supply chain to provide parts
to their Mexican plants. It seems they have problems getting good suppliers who can handle going through
the rigamero (sp) of exporting. It is really simple and I wish I were still in the business because I would be
glad to set up something in Rocky Point or Guymus to help them out.
By the way Jerry, that is an excellent link and I forwarded it to a number of my friends in the business.
I dont know, maybe it is just me. Having a plane built in a third world country is not exactly a strong selling point.
Kelney said:I dont know, maybe it is just me. Having a plane built in a third world country is not exactly a strong selling point.
it's just you
Kelney said:I dont know, maybe it is just me. Having a plane built in a third world country is not exactly a strong selling point.
Kelney in this day and age "third world country" is just a label that means that your bank account has one zero less than those countries not in the third world list, by the way do you know that the american car you are driving is most probably made in Mexico for the most part? better than china IMHO!!
Kelney said:I dont know, maybe it is just me. Having a plane built in a third world country is not exactly a strong selling point.
Yep it's just you!
Woohoo next up Mexican Space Shuttle!
Hooch said:Woohoo next up Mexican Space Shuttle!
With any luck you'll be on the maiden voyage.
Kelney said:I dont know, maybe it is just me. Having a plane built in a third world country is not exactly a strong selling point.
Yeah, I heard they whittled the turbo fan blades out of wood. Good tropical hardwood though.
Roberto said:Yeah, I heard they whittled the turbo fan blades out of wood. Good tropical hardwood though.
That's almost funny, if it weren't true. In the '60's the Chance Vought F-8's had sections that were aluminum bonded to......
BALSA WOOD. Each piece by itself was plyable and easily bent. Once bonded it was a solid section. Wouldn't have believed it,
if I didn't see it. By the way, that was done in a third world country.....Buffalo, NY.
mis2810 said:With any luck you'll be on the maiden voyage.
Only if you're riding on my lap mamacita :)
Hooch said:Only if you're riding on my lap mamacita :)
Not if you were the last man on earth papacito.
Well that could be about the same time that Mexico comes up with a spaceshuttle, so mark it down on your calender ;)
Back on track.... more than just airplanes being built here Mexico Biz Link
The parts for commercial airliners such as the Boeing 727 and 737 were once manufactured almost exclusively in the United States. But the parts on today's big jets, such as Boeing's 777 and its planned 787, are made in such countries as China, Japan, Brazil, Italy, France and Australia, in addition to the United States. Boeing, Pratt & Whitney, GE and other plane manufacturers buy parts made overseas largely because they are cheaper.
largely because they are cheaper.
That is true, in part. They also buy over there as part of reciprocity agreements.
It goes the same way with military aircraft and missiles.
Roberto said:Yeah, I heard they whittled the turbo fan blades out of wood. Good tropical hardwood though.
And yet the average forum mans man drives a Ford F250 at high speeds while drinking a Mexican beer or three......both products made in Mexico
Brazil has been producing what I call "puddle jumper" (regional) commercial aircraft for many, many years. Some of the most economical, reliable and longest lasting planes out there. They offer all kinds of commercial, private and military aircraft.
Embraer
Embraer
jerry said:And yet the average forum mans man drives a Ford F250 at high speeds while drinking a Mexican beer or three......both products made in Mexico
You talkin' to me?? Huh, punk? :puff:
You would be describing me perfectly except for two things - my F250 was built at the Ford Kentucky Truck Plant; AND I don't drink and drive here in the US or in Mexico. Oh, I might have a drink or two or three with dinner and race back to the casita at a whole 25 mph in RP, but I neber-eber drink going up and down the road anymore. Haven't in many, many years. Just not worth the risk. You'll find a cold bottle of agua planted in my drink holder.
Stuart said:Brazil has been producing what I call "puddle jumper" (regional) commercial aircraft for many, many years. Some of the most economical, reliable and longest lasting planes out there. They offer all kinds of commercial, private and military aircraft.
Embraer
Very true, Stuart. And to back up my point, they had their wing boxes made at what used to be Textron, but now CPI in Nashvile.
Made many, many parts for them in our shop in St. Louis. Some may resent it, but the Aerospace Industry is now fully global.
Our new $8000 work server from Dell arrived last week was shipped directly from the assembly plant in Mexico to Arizona. Granted most parts were made elsewhere (China) but then assembled into the awesomeness that is the Dell PowerEdge T420. There is a pretty small pool of technology skilled laborers in Penasco, especially aeronautics related.. Probably close to zero. However if they did ever build something like an Aircraft factory, I have no doubt the labor pool would get much larger, much quicker from people moving to Penasco to fill those jobs. (Hopefully that is what Kelney meant to say, and it wasn't just a racial comment?) Which in turn benefits everyone. The more people working, getting paid a fair wage, and spending money, the better everyone is, from road repair, new businesses, better healthcare, and so on.
Very true, ADR. It takes skilled labor and I doubt Penasco has much of it. But, like anything else (and as you say), if you build it, they will come. So will the benefits that can be passed on for generations to come. Penasco has always made its living from the sea. They still do, but not by directly going out and catching fish these days. Catching the gringo fish that want to be near the sea is certainly more profitable. But, as the past few years have shown, tourism fates can be fickle when the winds of international politics, economics, and public safety change direction. Not so much with a strong industrial or technical base.
I still think about it every time I pass it between Sonoita and Penasco -- the little abandoned industrial park. Somebody had an idea at some point in time!!
On Edit: Back in the day, when I was just out of the Navy, I was a Field Engineer in Washington, D.C. I installed and repaired computer equipment. Back when computers occupied entire rooms, entire floors of buildings. Your remark "Granted most parts were made elsewhere (China) but then assembled into the awesomeness that is the Dell PowerEdge T420." harkened me back to an incident that made me laugh.
We were competing for a large government contract and had set up an impressive display of our equipment in the Capitol building for Congressman and Senators to see, touch, feel, kick the tires, whatever. This was a HUGE sales event, they don't get much bigger, with millions and millions in contract money on the line. After I installed all the equipment and got it connected and running, Sales insisted I stay on site, just in case anything burped and needed to be fixed. Okay, boring, but I can do that.
Some big frumpy Senator (wish I could remember who) and his entourage came into the room. The head Sales guy jumped up, shook his hand, went into his spiel about how great and economical our equipment was, etc. when the Senator basically shut him up. He looked at me and said "I want to talk to this young man over here." pointing in my direction. The Senator walked over and shook my hand; I introduced myself to him, and he looked me right in the eye and asked me "Son, there's really only one thing I want to know about this equipment -- is it made in the USA?"
I could see head Sales guy shitting a massive brick. I looked square back at the Senator and said "Yes sir, our equipment is built in our factory in Tempe, Arizona." He asked "What about the parts?" I answered "Well sir, like most electronics, some of our chips and individual components come from all over the world. In Tempe, we take those components and build our own circuit boards, power supplies and other major components and assemble them into the units you see here today. So yes, this equipment is built in the USA and provides several thousand jobs for our workers that build it."
Head sales guy now seemed to be shitting something a lot larger than a brick, perhaps a boulder. I reached out to shake the Senators hand and asked him "Sir, is there anything else I can explain about our equipment?" He smiled and seemed perfectly happy "No son, you've answered the one thing I needed to know. You'll be hearing from us soon." And off he and his entourage went, back to the important business of running the country, I guess.
Head sales guy bowed down at my feet and kissed them. I just looked at him and laughed "It's a good thing he didn't ask me to remove the covers; it's like a trip around the world inside one of those boxes!" But hey, I told the truth. The equipment truly was assembled in the USA! :usa:
I still think about it every time I pass it between Sonoita and Penasco -- the little abandoned industrial park. Somebody had an idea at some point in time!!
On Edit: Back in the day, when I was just out of the Navy, I was a Field Engineer in Washington, D.C. I installed and repaired computer equipment. Back when computers occupied entire rooms, entire floors of buildings. Your remark "Granted most parts were made elsewhere (China) but then assembled into the awesomeness that is the Dell PowerEdge T420." harkened me back to an incident that made me laugh.
We were competing for a large government contract and had set up an impressive display of our equipment in the Capitol building for Congressman and Senators to see, touch, feel, kick the tires, whatever. This was a HUGE sales event, they don't get much bigger, with millions and millions in contract money on the line. After I installed all the equipment and got it connected and running, Sales insisted I stay on site, just in case anything burped and needed to be fixed. Okay, boring, but I can do that.
Some big frumpy Senator (wish I could remember who) and his entourage came into the room. The head Sales guy jumped up, shook his hand, went into his spiel about how great and economical our equipment was, etc. when the Senator basically shut him up. He looked at me and said "I want to talk to this young man over here." pointing in my direction. The Senator walked over and shook my hand; I introduced myself to him, and he looked me right in the eye and asked me "Son, there's really only one thing I want to know about this equipment -- is it made in the USA?"
I could see head Sales guy shitting a massive brick. I looked square back at the Senator and said "Yes sir, our equipment is built in our factory in Tempe, Arizona." He asked "What about the parts?" I answered "Well sir, like most electronics, some of our chips and individual components come from all over the world. In Tempe, we take those components and build our own circuit boards, power supplies and other major components and assemble them into the units you see here today. So yes, this equipment is built in the USA and provides several thousand jobs for our workers that build it."
Head sales guy now seemed to be shitting something a lot larger than a brick, perhaps a boulder. I reached out to shake the Senators hand and asked him "Sir, is there anything else I can explain about our equipment?" He smiled and seemed perfectly happy "No son, you've answered the one thing I needed to know. You'll be hearing from us soon." And off he and his entourage went, back to the important business of running the country, I guess.
Head sales guy bowed down at my feet and kissed them. I just looked at him and laughed "It's a good thing he didn't ask me to remove the covers; it's like a trip around the world inside one of those boxes!" But hey, I told the truth. The equipment truly was assembled in the USA! :usa:
The little abandoned 'industrial park' was in reality the planned location of that industrial waste dump that started in secret and got canned.
Roberto said:The little abandoned 'industrial park' was in reality the planned location of that industrial waste dump that started in secret and got canned.
next time a Mexican National gets down on US policy decisions and the effects on our native populations have them read this little bomb the Mexican ruling class planned to drop on the Tohono The sacred and the toxic - High Country News