Since I am "out of town and out of touch" I was wondering if there were any updates on the Cruise ship terminal, pier and etc?
Cruise Ships
Started by garyd · Apr 4, 2013 · 42 replies
Someone mentioned that they noticed some engineers filtering into town. Being one of those cockeyed optimists I always have my hopes up :) When the Wrecked and RV park start moving that might be like the first Robin of Spring sign.
I know they were suppose to be announcing which cruise line(s) was going to use us as a Home Port but haven't heard a whisper since.
Hopefully someone knows more than I do - and that wouldn't take much at all. In the meantime it is beautiful and life just keeps going on.
I know they were suppose to be announcing which cruise line(s) was going to use us as a Home Port but haven't heard a whisper since.
Hopefully someone knows more than I do - and that wouldn't take much at all. In the meantime it is beautiful and life just keeps going on.
Hopefully not Carnival.
wrecked is already looking to relocate. I heard that they inquired about property between one of the sonoran properties and esmeralda. the cruise port will happen, just a matter of how long (will it be 2 years or 4 to complete).
El Gato said:Someone mentioned that they noticed some engineers filtering into town. Being one of those cockeyed optimists I always have my hopes up :) When the Wrecked and RV park start moving that might be like the first Robin of Spring sign.
I know they were suppose to be announcing which cruise line(s) was going to use us as a Home Port but haven't heard a whisper since.
Hopefully someone knows more than I do - and that wouldn't take much at all. In the meantime it is beautiful and life just keeps going on.
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The cruise port may happen... But just because you build it... Doesn't mean they will come.
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dry heat said:wrecked is already looking to relocate. I heard that they inquired about property between one of the sonoran properties and esmeralda. the cruise port will happen, just a matter of how long (will it be 2 years or 4 to complete).
No rush, that's how long it will take Carnival to get the TRIUMPH here anyway.
dry heat said:wrecked is already looking to relocate. I heard that they inquired about property between one of the sonoran properties and esmeralda. the cruise port will happen, just a matter of how long (will it be 2 years or 4 to complete).
If it's the beachfront property for sale (3.9 mil) kind of expensive for a bar. Who knows how long it will be for sale, maybe put up some small apartments in square foot for the 5 cruise lines workers coming to Penasco.
I am excited for the homeport as a customer who likes to go on cruises and I think the economic gain for those who need employment will be great. That said, I can't figure out what everyone is so excited about to be living next door to the homeport. Let's say they build the homeport just as the plans indicate. This is a homeport, not a tourist port of call. Has anyone witnessed the traffic, noise and other unpleasant things that go with trying to maneuver 3,000 people off a ship and another 3,000 people onto that same ship in a six hour timeframe? I have cruised out of many home ports in the U.S. (Long Beach, Port Canaveral, Galveston, New Orleans and Miami). I would not want to live anywhere near these homeports just as I would not want to live next to an airport or a train station. I am not a real estate expert, but I don't see how this increased home values in any of these areas.
Pinky said:I am excited for the homeport as a customer who likes to go on cruises and I think the economic gain for those who need employment will be great. That said, I can't figure out what everyone is so excited about to be living next door to the homeport. Let's say they build the homeport just as the plans indicate. This is a homeport, not a tourist port of call. Has anyone witnessed the traffic, noise and other unpleasant things that go with trying to maneuver 3,000 people off a ship and another 3,000 people onto that same ship in a six hour timeframe? I have cruised out of many home ports in the U.S. (Long Beach, Port Canaveral, Galveston, New Orleans and Miami). I would not want to live anywhere near these homeports just as I would not want to live next to an airport or a train station. I am not a real estate expert, but I don't see how this increased home values in any of these areas.
You really hit the nail on the head. The local business interests I believe only sees $. When paradise was being paved with condos they only saw $ as well. Now they mostly see condo skeletons. It will be the same with the port.
Carnival Miracle Cruise Ship description and sailing calendar at Travelocity docked in Pto, Vallarta today. 
Some of us at this stage of the game don't call all this so called progress anything but heartbreaking.
Kelney said:You really hit the nail on the head. The local business interests I believe only sees $. When paradise was being paved with condos they only saw $ as well. Now they mostly see condo skeletons. It will be the same with the port.
you guys need to head South where you betcha...you can see Baja Sur from your house and the only loud noise you hear is the rusted out muffler on the Santo Tomas guard truck...hate that thing
Kenny if the port was built 40 years ago you kids in Cholla Bay would be diving for coins thrown off the cruise shipsKenny said:Some of us at this stage of the game don't call all this so called progress anything but heartbreaking.
just livnthedream said:Hopefully not Carnival.
J Liv....my friends are leaving from Tampa on a Carnival 13 day cruise to Barcelona....495 bucks apiece! fly back with miles...30 bucks a day l.ess if it breaks down
That's exactly one of the benefits - last minute cheap cruise deals will finally be within reach of those of us in AZ without spending money to fly or drive all day to the port
I hate to say it but it was over 50 and trust me, my folks would have just kept on driving.jerry said:Kenny if the port was built 40 years ago you kids in Cholla Bay would be diving for coins thrown off the cruise ships
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jerry said:you guys need to head South where you betcha...you can see Baja Sur from your house and the only loud noise you hear is the rusted out muffler on the Santo Tomas guard truck...hate that thing
Jerry, fix that damn boat ramp or have a boat launching service in Santo Tomas and Ill never go to Rocky Point again!!! Ok maybe not ever again, I need my Guau Guaus fix every now and then!!
Mexico Joe said:Jerry, fix that damn boat ramp or have a boat launching service in Santo Tomas and Ill never go to Rocky Point again!!! Ok maybe not ever again, I need my Guau Guaus fix every now and then!!
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/photos/100910113640564801579/album/5752136370037648321/5752425901747501570?cbp=1xjh13a6wli7f&sview=20. Joe my road plan will work...need to get the other owners to go for it
Kelney said:You really hit the nail on the head. The local business interests I believe only sees $. When paradise was being paved with condos they only saw $ as well. Now they mostly see condo skeletons. It will be the same with the port.
Right on, this is a pipe dream, IF a cruse ship were to bring a load of cruser's to PP and the cruser's saw that there was NOTHING to warrant the fee they paid for this "port of call", and demanded a refund, good luck with that, that would be the last time ANY cruse ship would even think of going to PP, and the result would be MORE bad press for PP, which = less people would come to PP, the "word" would spread like wild fire, hence more "condo skeletons" type of irrepairable damage done to PP,
I got this in my inbox the other day about Holland America cruises from San Diego. I wonder how these towns have fared being ports of call? Being a home port is different though, as Pinky said. Yes, there'd be congestion and mayhem on the arrival/departure days. But I can understand why "The local business interests I believe only see $" Many people arrive in the home port town at least one day before so as not to miss the cruise if there are any travel mishaps. That's a LOT of hotel rooms. And souvenirs purchased, and meals and drinks enjoyed. There'd also be parking fees for those who drive in and taxi fares for those who'd fly in. This cruise returns at 7am so my guess is that people hang out a while, if not an extra night, when they return. It probably has more income potential than being a port of call, where some people shop and others might beach and others go on excursions.
Unfortunately, this might be the price of "progress". We might be moving closer to Jerry and Santo Tomas after all ;)
cin said:Right on, this is a pipe dream, IF a cruse ship were to bring a load of cruser's to PP and the cruser's saw that there was NOTHING to warrant the fee they paid for this "port of call", and demanded a refund, good luck with that, that would be the last time ANY cruse ship would even think of going to PP, and the result would be MORE bad press for PP, which = less people would come to PP, the "word" would spread like wild fire, hence more "condo skeletons" type of irrepairable damage done to PP,
Pretty sure the cruise ships aren't banking on Kelney. Kenny & cin to fill their ships, 3 washed up pessimists with no future but to look back and say, man when I ran around Pto. Penasco I was the King, stay on the poor-ch dogs. We won't miss you. LOL!!!
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playaperro said:pretty sure the cruise ships aren't banking on kelney. Kenny & cin to fill their ships, 3 washed up pessimists with no future but to look back say man when i ran around pto. Penasco i was the king, stay on the poor-ch dogs. We won't miss you. Lol!!!
1 2 3 bravo ! Very well said, lol
cin said:1 2 3 bravo ! Very well said, lol
the sad thing is why boosters like Perro have such bad taste...must the future always look like crap,work like crap and be bigger and louder?When you build stuff like that you just attract knuckleheads.Build small,build efficient,create relaxing boutique destinations along the coastal highway and only look at Puerto Penasco in your rear view mirrior is another idea.
Yes Jerry, if you choose that lifestyle, loners with no one around, kind of reminds me of the movie "THE ROAD"! Hey, as you can see your area is boom-ing.
Our time living on an island in the Caribbean showed me that being a port of call is not as lucrative for the local businesses as it might seem. The cruise ship keeps the bulk of the money from organized tours. Some passengers will get off and take a taxi to town or to a beach, but many will stick to ship-organized outings. It would seem that being a home port would be different for the reasons stated earlier - hotel rooms, meals prior to and following cruises, taxis, etc. I am certainly hoping this is the case, since there will be a downside in the way of congestion and traffic and......
jerry said:the sad thing is why boosters like Perro have such bad taste...must the future always look like crap,work like crap and be bigger and louder?When you build stuff like that you just attract knuckleheads.Build small,build efficient,create relaxing boutique destinations along the coastal highway and only look at Puerto Penasco in your rear view mirrior is another idea.
Well said, a toast to you
Boy, I really hate it when I agree with Jerry. It must be the Metamusal or the Centrum Silver.
I think the major selling point to take a cruise starting in Penasco is the proximity to Phoenix and Tucson. It makes perfect sense to expect that tour busses will arrive with the majority of the passengers rather than arrival by personal vehicle or by air. A $500 cruise with a $500 airfare is tough to take. They will probably arrive close to the appoint departure hour selected to accomodate a reasonable bus schedule and to save hotel costs for participants, a good selling point to sell the cruise. Given that it will attract people of simple means wanting an inexpensive vacation. If this is the case, arrivals and departures will be tightly scheduled and allow little time for in town excursions. Get on the bus in Phenix at 7 am, arrive at the ship at noon and depart by 2pm. I cannot see it as a 'luxury' cruise of wealthy folk. Middle class and retirees would be my guess.
Bus arrivals will reduce congestion and parking problems here. I continue to hope that the major benefit will be to the people of Penasco in the form of jobs. There will be some spillover as some folks will return on their own but I would not expect a huge impact here either. Every little bit helps.
Bus arrivals will reduce congestion and parking problems here. I continue to hope that the major benefit will be to the people of Penasco in the form of jobs. There will be some spillover as some folks will return on their own but I would not expect a huge impact here either. Every little bit helps.
GV Jack said:Boy, I really hate it when I agree with Jerry. It must be the Metamusal or the Centrum Silver.
More likely you quit taking your viagra to become a Loner!
Still Roberto if you had just say built a new house in Cholla Bay or owned a condo that wasn't a rental your quality of life will go down from this thing.Add to that the unknown extent of problems the enviromental issues create and the importation of lower wage workers from Southern Mexico for the new jobs (as happened in the condo boom) and you end up with the perfec"sh*t" storm.Shakey power grid,water shortages,low wages,more congestion and traffic jambs.
playaperro said:Pretty sure the cruise ships aren't banking on Kelney. Kenny & cin to fill their ships, 3 washed up pessimists with no future but to look back and say, man when I ran around Pto. Penasco I was the King, stay on the poor-ch dogs. We won't miss you. LOL!!!
playa, Code R x 4 = 4 x R = You
playaperro said:Pretty sure the cruise ships aren't banking on Kelney. Kenny & cin to fill their ships, 3 washed up pessimists with no future but to look back and say, man when I ran around Pto. Penasco I was the King, stay on the poor-ch dogs. We won't miss you. LOL!!!
the Three Washed Up Pessimists South beaches shore fishing meetup will happen sometime in late may.....all are welcome
I'm in!
Me too ........ Kenny just pm'd me ....... he's in too, but he says he's scared, thats why he's hiding from perro,
cin said:Me too ........ Kenny just pm'd me ....... he's in too, but he says he's scared, thats why he's hiding from perro,
Sure I did Hector, and then I flew to the moon!
jerry said:Still Roberto if you had just say built a new house in Cholla Bay or owned a condo that wasn't a rental your quality of life will go down from this thing.Add to that the unknown extent of problems the enviromental issues create and the importation of lower wage workers from Southern Mexico for the new jobs (as happened in the condo boom) and you end up with the perfec"sh*t" storm.Shakey power grid,water shortages,low wages,more congestion and traffic jambs.
What you say is probably true amigo but there is little to be done about it, except to study Zhuangzi more:
Man made knowledge , morality and laws all work against nature.
As you said earlier, move down the coast a bit or up the coast. There are lots of nice locations left.
Think about all the recent disasters with the big cruise boats. Think about the coring platform being tipped over off Sandy Beach. Think about the incredible conditions is the Sea of Cortez with a very high tide coincidental with a strong windstorm. Think about that Triumph ship breaking loose from the dock. Think Fiesta Cruiser on a larger scale. That's a scenerior that would concern me if I were involved with the operation. I would guess that none of the operators have functioned in these extrememe circumstances. From what I have seen there is no protected harbor planned.
Jumbo puke bags for all cruise passengers! Roberto when you leaving?
Roberto said:What you say is probably true amigo but there is little to be done about it, except to study Zhuangzi more:
Man made knowledge , morality and laws all work against nature.
As you said earlier, move down the coast a bit or up the coast. There are lots of nice locations left.
Think about all the recent disasters with the big cruise boats. Think about the coring platform being tipped over off Sandy Beach. Think about the incredible conditions is the Sea of Cortez with a very high tide coincidental with a strong windstorm. Think about that Triumph ship breaking loose from the dock. Think Fiesta Cruiser on a larger scale. That's a scenerior that would concern me if I were involved with the operation. I would guess that none of the operators have functioned in these extrememe circumstances. From what I have seen there is no protected harbor planned.
All man made errors Roberto...Hey anyone know where I can pick up some snake wine in Pto. Penasco
looks like they killed a prehistoric shark in Santa Clara this morning!
looks like they killed a prehistoric shark in Santa Clara this morning!Hey, maybe if this goes like some of the incidents described here, Sandy Beach could have a nice BIG dive wreck to attract new people to the area. LOL.
I am really glad I have a mountain (comp hill) to block my view of this fiasco. I really like Wrecked on the Reef and the small part of Sandy Beach that is still
usable for camping.
We can only hope this isn't profitable, quickly disappears and the terminal becomes a new marina for sport fishing berths.
That will excite all the fishing people here and then I can really piss my wife off and get a 30ft money burner.
I am really glad I have a mountain (comp hill) to block my view of this fiasco. I really like Wrecked on the Reef and the small part of Sandy Beach that is still
usable for camping.
We can only hope this isn't profitable, quickly disappears and the terminal becomes a new marina for sport fishing berths.
That will excite all the fishing people here and then I can really piss my wife off and get a 30ft money burner.
"view of this fiasco" <:-)
brokenwave said:Hey, maybe if this goes like some of the incidents described here, Sandy Beach could have a nice BIG dive wreck to attract new people to the area. LOL.
I am really glad I have a mountain (comp hill) to block my view of this fiasco.
We can only hope this isn't profitable,
Not to worry, it has already crashed and burned, before even getting off the ground ! why, just why, do some people enjoy destroying what little there is left of what useto be beautiful PP, I just don't get it <:-(
The earlier sand people said the same thing as will the next generation say as well.
Roberto said:The earlier sand people said the same thing as will the next generation say as well.
Life was much simpler back then
The problems we had were only those we saw
and the entirety of mankind had yet to meld together
it had yet to become that one body
that which we are now
one magnificent crowd
that has joined together intelligence
obtaining new knowledge
in new ways
in faster ways
setting simplicity on a new standard
raising complexity on a pedestal
and making progress priority
and technology into God
Life has become the drive to continue on
To be greater than the day before
For oneself and for others
Advancements have achieved new heights
And technology has opened new doors
Providing aide to the needy
Prosthetic limbs
Synthetic vision
Vaccines
and it has made the lives of many, easier
comfort to the uncomfortable
and assistance to the lazy
and help for the unworthy
Life has become the drive to create easy life
To create simplicity through complexity
Building technology
Intricate machinery with one button to start it
And one button to stop it
and none to explain it
because it is automatic
technology is automatic
and with every coming day
it becomes more a part of us
and more ingrained into us
in our lifestyles and inside us, literally
automating us
making us a part of the optimizing culture
perfecting and expanding
and mass producing
but is perfection a virtue?
it is supposed to be impossible
and has never been questioned
for its impracticality
but if perfection is reachable
if godhood is within us
in human potential
and unlockable through progress
than who is to say no
to the vast possibilities?
And who is to say no
To the idea of becoming God?
Becoming progress itself
Who is to say no to this?
And who is to blame for it?
When things go wrong
When our ambitions get the best of us
And turn on us
Who is to blame?
Progress is potential
And potential is achievement and disaster
Held in the same hand
Engaged in mortal combat
And when one overcomes the other
Potential becomes result
And we advance or fall
We reap what we sow
we are the cause of our actions
and every action tips us over the edge
of the cliff of eternity
from which we may fall into hell
or fly to heaven
by Joshua Lee
The problems we had were only those we saw
and the entirety of mankind had yet to meld together
it had yet to become that one body
that which we are now
one magnificent crowd
that has joined together intelligence
obtaining new knowledge
in new ways
in faster ways
setting simplicity on a new standard
raising complexity on a pedestal
and making progress priority
and technology into God
Life has become the drive to continue on
To be greater than the day before
For oneself and for others
Advancements have achieved new heights
And technology has opened new doors
Providing aide to the needy
Prosthetic limbs
Synthetic vision
Vaccines
and it has made the lives of many, easier
comfort to the uncomfortable
and assistance to the lazy
and help for the unworthy
Life has become the drive to create easy life
To create simplicity through complexity
Building technology
Intricate machinery with one button to start it
And one button to stop it
and none to explain it
because it is automatic
technology is automatic
and with every coming day
it becomes more a part of us
and more ingrained into us
in our lifestyles and inside us, literally
automating us
making us a part of the optimizing culture
perfecting and expanding
and mass producing
but is perfection a virtue?
it is supposed to be impossible
and has never been questioned
for its impracticality
but if perfection is reachable
if godhood is within us
in human potential
and unlockable through progress
than who is to say no
to the vast possibilities?
And who is to say no
To the idea of becoming God?
Becoming progress itself
Who is to say no to this?
And who is to blame for it?
When things go wrong
When our ambitions get the best of us
And turn on us
Who is to blame?
Progress is potential
And potential is achievement and disaster
Held in the same hand
Engaged in mortal combat
And when one overcomes the other
Potential becomes result
And we advance or fall
We reap what we sow
we are the cause of our actions
and every action tips us over the edge
of the cliff of eternity
from which we may fall into hell
or fly to heaven
by Joshua Lee