I had created a thread to call all owners that have been subjected to the corruption of the Las Palomas HOA, and their evil twin Operadora. Despite my efforts, the thread disappeared after I was automatically logged out. Maldito forum!
Ultimately, I will stand firm in my claim that Las Palomas is indeed trying to take as much $ from your investment as possible. Even when the HOA acknowledged that there were no legitimate issues with our type of rental situation, they wanted us to pay off Operadora so that they wouldn't cause a fuss. They have mismanaged the owners' funds. They have rented your properties and pocketed the money. I was there recently and the entire property had about 30 people present, staff included. The Sushi place that reads "Opening Soon" has been making this claim for a while now. Keep waiting, it won't happen.
We don't have a leg to stand on if we haven't tried to fight the fight. Anyone from the HOA will make claims that all of this is kosher, that Las Palomas is improving their situation. HOA owners who do this might also be receiving perks from the HOA- something I have heard but have not officially validated.
So let's unite and pool our resources. Don't sit idly by as your investment crumbles into oblivion.
Ha Ha Ha, you guys are so funny! Unite...pool resources...ha ha ha ha ha!
This is how it really works: One homeowner gets in to a bad situation and asks for help. The HOA says, not our problem...the majority of homeowners say "we're gonna wait and see who wins and then we will be on their side." Heads get buried in the sand, people's real characters, or lack thereof, rear their ugly heads and most go into saving themselves mode. You will only get unification if you prove up front that you will win, and that they will somehow benefit from it.
On the upside, you will discover once and for all who your REAL friends are. Just saying. But hey, thanks for the entertainment! :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
I hate HOA's! I don't live in an HOA! If I was ever stupid enough to buy a property in an HOA, I would make sure to get on the board! But at least in the US you have some legal recourse if the individual has been wronged by the HOA. From recent rulings, I'm seeing individuals taking their rights back from the HOA's.
In Mexico???? Legal recourse????:rofl: :rofl::rofl:
I'm sure that anyone who has followed your trials and tribulations would be able to come to some interesting conclusions concerning Mexican legal recourse. I think the owners in Las Palomas could also comment on what kind of legal recourse they really have!!! (and I'm not talking about the dry heat's of the world!).
People are frustrated, their investments are at risk, they are trying to protect what they have and have worked hard to get. How can anyone think that this funny? Some people I guess get off on other people’s misery.
People are frustrated, their investments are at risk, they are trying to protect what they have and have worked hard to get. How can anyone think that this funny? Some people I guess get off on other people’s misery.
What exact charges are you looking to bring up (please be as specific as possible)?
which entity are you upset with (HOA, Developer, Rental company, Builder, Bank that placed liens on property)?
The HOA will eventually be controlled by the owners (like many other resorts in Mexico). hopefully within the next few months.
If you want to sue the developer as a class action, I suggest you collect $500 - $1000 per owner for legal fee's.
Your rant is all over the place and needs clarification, please advise...
"I will stand firm in my claim that Las Palomas is indeed trying to take as much $ from your investment as possible." (the HOA, the developer, the rental company... who?) (how are they taking money from your investment?)
"Even when the HOA acknowledged that there were no legitimate issues with our type of rental situation, they wanted us to pay off Operadora so that they wouldn't cause a fuss. They have mismanaged the owners' funds. They have rented your properties and pocketed the money." (I am lost with the comment regarding the HOA acknowledgement) (pay off Operadora????) (is the rental operator paying back owners or given owners the opportunity to make the money back??)
"I was there recently and the entire property had about 30 people present, staff included." (the rental operator or the HOA???) (what is your point???)
"The Sushi place that reads "Opening Soon" has been making this claim for a while now. Keep waiting, it won't happen." (so you are upset that the space has not been developed???) (what is your point???) (should US developments also take down signs for future development even if it is 10 years into the future???)
"HOA owners who do this might also be receiving perks from the HOA- something I have heard but have not officially validated." (please give us a hint as to what amazing perks some have received)
"So let's unite and pool our resources. Don't sit idly by as your investment crumbles into oblivion." (you have passion, but you are all over the place and need to direct your thoughts so as to get people behind your movement)
Dan...the matter at Las Palomas has been going for quite some time...I doubt very much that the owners uniting will accomplish anything.....there is outside Mexican control of the resort from what I understand. There have been multiple threads on here about the situation.
I don't "get off" on others misery, and I'm pretty sure that neither does Sheryl. She and her family have been going through their own version of hell trying to get their property back. A friend of mine lives full time in Las Palomas and the only good point is that he does not depend on the rental money!
My point is that this is Mexico...not the US.....big difference! That is what makes the matter "funny" or "hilarious"....that someone really thinks that activity that will accomplish something in the US will work the same way in Mexico! Oh, and I was also anticipating the usual responses from dry heat.....
I agree Joe,
the legal system, HOA's, property development, levels of corruption all vary from country to country. what we are used to in the US is different from Mexico. If you approach a property issue the same way you normally would in the states, you are in for a rude and expensive reality (Unfortunately I learned this on a few occassions outside of the US).
A good way to see how other countries work is to watch the show "locked up abroad".
rockyptjoe said:
Dan...the matter at Las Palomas has been going for quite some time...I doubt very much that the owners uniting will accomplish anything.....there is outside Mexican control of the resort from what I understand. There have been multiple threads on here about the situation.
I don't "get off" on others misery, and I'm pretty sure that neither does Sheryl. She and her family have been going through their own version of hell trying to get their property back. A friend of mine lives full time in Las Palomas and the only good point is that he does not depend on the rental money!
My point is that this is Mexico...not the US.....big difference! That is what makes the matter "funny" or "hilarious"....that someone really thinks that activity that will accomplish something in the US will work the same way in Mexico! Oh, and I was also anticipating the usual responses from dry heat.....
People are frustrated, their investments are at risk, they are trying to protect what they have and have worked hard to get. How can anyone think that this funny? Some people I guess get off on other people’s misery.
It's irony, Dan. Try expanding your vocabulary before you judge people. RPJ is correct. None of us want to see anybody else hurt, but we have experienced the so-called unity of certain people and HOA's. We were told, didn't believe it, then found it to be true. One of those "life lessons" that just keep coming.
1 . a form of humor in which you use words to express the opposite of what the words really mean “You’ve been so kind,” she said, her voice heavy with irony. a touch/trace/hint of irony: His writing contains a cheerful touch of irony. Thesaurus entry for this meaning of irony
2 . a strange, funny, or sad situation in which things happen in the opposite way to what you would expecttragic/bitter/cruel irony: By a cruel irony, General Franklin was killed at the very moment of his army’s great victory. the irony (of something) is that: The irony is that it would have been faster to have taken the back roads after all. Thesaurus entry for this meaning of irony
Chill out Dry Heat. You always take so much exception to anyone who says anything negative about LP. The place is a mess and it is only going to get worse. You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. All you have to do is drive within ten miles of the place and see what a disaster it is. Vacant, half-built buildings everywhere. It is the biggest eyesore in all of Penasco. Who are you and why are you living with such blinders on?
What exact charges are you looking to bring up (please be as specific as possible)?
which entity are you upset with (HOA, Developer, Rental company, Builder, Bank that placed liens on property)?
The HOA will eventually be controlled by the owners (like many other resorts in Mexico). hopefully within the next few months.
If you want to sue the developer as a class action, I suggest you collect $500 - $1000 per owner for legal fee's.
Your rant is all over the place and needs clarification, please advise...
"I will stand firm in my claim that Las Palomas is indeed trying to take as much $ from your investment as possible." (the HOA, the developer, the rental company... who?) (how are they taking money from your investment?)
"Even when the HOA acknowledged that there were no legitimate issues with our type of rental situation, they wanted us to pay off Operadora so that they wouldn't cause a fuss. They have mismanaged the owners' funds. They have rented your properties and pocketed the money." (I am lost with the comment regarding the HOA acknowledgement) (pay off Operadora????) (is the rental operator paying back owners or given owners the opportunity to make the money back??)
"I was there recently and the entire property had about 30 people present, staff included." (the rental operator or the HOA???) (what is your point???)
"The Sushi place that reads "Opening Soon" has been making this claim for a while now. Keep waiting, it won't happen." (so you are upset that the space has not been developed???) (what is your point???) (should US developments also take down signs for future development even if it is 10 years into the future???)
"HOA owners who do this might also be receiving perks from the HOA- something I have heard but have not officially validated." (please give us a hint as to what amazing perks some have received)
"So let's unite and pool our resources. Don't sit idly by as your investment crumbles into oblivion." (you have passion, but you are all over the place and need to direct your thoughts so as to get people behind your movement)
Chill out Dry Heat. You always take so much exception to anyone who says anything negative about LP. The place is a mess and it is only going to get worse. You know it, I know it and everyone else knows it. All you have to do is drive within ten miles of the place and see what a disaster it is. Vacant, half-built buildings everywhere. It is the biggest eyesore in all of Penasco. Who are you and why are you living with such blinders on?
not upset at all brother, just wanted exact clarification as to what the previous poster was trying to accomplish. You can now go back to throwing darts at your Seaside poster.
I have read enough of these threads to know that dryheat is like a yapping chihuahua that nips at your heels, and although I don't condone cruelty to animals in any possible way, this would be the one chihuahua I'd kick across the room.
If all efforts are fruitless, fine. But you aren't going to tell me that a large group of owners wouldn't have more power than an indvidual. There are a few common complaints that exist. In our situation, we were not victims of missing or misplaced funds because we had used an outside vendor to manage our property. Our situation is far less tragic, however I sincerely feel outraged on behalf of these owners that new management would claim this problem was being "rectified".
The issue we are facing is the extortion we are facing in trying to rent what was originally purchased as an investment property. Effectively, they couldn't care less who rents our unit, how we found them, how much we charged, that we don't in any way utilize their services, or whatever the arrangement was- they just want money.
We are pursuing legal action, and are currently taking steps towards this. Venting on a forum might be therapeutic but that's all it does. Teaming up, compiling information so other owners aren't left uninformed, and possibly hiring an attorney. If there are other owners facing similar issues, please send me your contact information. If not, best of luck anyway!
Wow thanks for the English lesson but still don’t think it is funny when people even if it’s through their own stupidity or naiveté are being taken advantage of and trying to do something about it. I do not agree with making unfounded accusations which divides people. People pooling resources and uniting has worked several times here in RP over the years. Just because we invest in Mexico doesn’t mean that we are fools and must take whatever is done to us. People in the US are getting taken advantage of too and if you don’t have deep pockets for attorneys you’re screwed. If this was all about “poking fun” at Las Palomas owners for past post then I completely missed the joke, sorry.
Yea, I heard about your legal action in trying to rent your unit outside of the rental pool and your case that the rental rules of the hoa do not apply to you. Well good luck with that. :)
Paquito, that's what I call the chihuahua formerly known as dryheat, you know nothing of our situation so scurry away. I question your motivation for blindly rallying behind them. I don't care enough to find out.
I won't get into the details of what we are doing on this forum, but I can say that according to our attorney in Mexico, we have grounds on which to stand. If others want to join in the fight, I will provide you with an email address.
Good luck big talker. Set up a paypal to collect your donations.
playa said:
Paquito, that's what I call the chihuahua formerly known as dryheat, you know nothing of our situation so scurry away. I question your motivation for blindly rallying behind them. I don't care enough to find out.
I won't get into the details of what we are doing on this forum, but I can say that according to our attorney in Mexico, we have grounds on which to stand. If others want to join in the fight, I will provide you with an email address.
Wow thanks for the English lesson but still don’t think it is funny when people even if it’s through their own stupidity or naiveté are being taken advantage of and trying to do something about it. I do not agree with making unfounded accusations which divides people. People pooling resources and uniting has worked several times here in RP over the years. Just because we invest in Mexico doesn’t mean that we are fools and must take whatever is done to us. People in the US are getting taken advantage of too and if you don’t have deep pockets for attorneys you’re screwed. If this was all about “poking fun” at Las Palomas owners for past post then I completely missed the joke, sorry.
Dan....I don't know how often you're on this forum, or how many of the "Las Palomas" threads (or the ones which degenerate into Las Palomas threads) that you've read....but no one is making or trying to make fun of any of the Las Palomas owners. They got burned, and continue to get burned..... I consider the OP soeone venting....everybody needs to do that occasionally....and he picked this Forum!
You may need big pockets in the US for attorneys.....but in Mexico, you better have a semi, a lot of years off your life, and the right people "in your pocket", to get anywhere!!!
Paquito, that's what I call the chihuahua formerly known as dryheat, you know nothing of our situation so scurry away. I question your motivation for blindly rallying behind them. I don't care enough to find out.
I won't get into the details of what we are doing on this forum, but I can say that according to our attorney in Mexico, we have grounds on which to stand. If others want to join in the fight, I will provide you with an email address.
The chihuahua comment was cute.
I'll just say this, some attorney's are not the brightest when they tell others what the regulations say can and can't be done and how they can rent, lease, time-share, whatever you want to call it. Now, they may not know that future regulations can easily be changed or adjusted to enforce the regulation they are arguing for (it's an easy vote at a general assembly) and the attorney pretty much stated exactly how the revised regulation should be drafted for vote (easy solution).
I don't care if the rental company is OLP or Paco's rental agency, I only care that the regulations of the resort are being enforced (especially when it comes to wildcat renting). The good news is the resort as we know is headed toward control of the HOA to owners (hopefully soon). My agenda (if you want to call it that) is to protect the rights of the general assembly of owners as a group (not an owner, not the rental company, not the developer). that should be the agenda of all owners in an HOA (to enforce the regulations, abide by them, pay their dues, protect the rights of the owners as a whole). Times will be getting better soon. Mexico is a complicated mess when it comes to our HOA. Fortunately you have a group of qualified owners who have spent countless hours each week looking at all avenues for a solution (anywhere else and you would have wasted money and drawn out a problem over many many years).
I won't share the details on this thread of which firm has been hired, what they plan on doing, knowing full well that LP's little b**ch, Paquito/dryheat, will run back to his LP cronies. Most likely, he doesn't have any pull or connections so I don't know why I would put him on a pedestal. Probably just a bitter old man- wife left him for a younger man- no friends- he hates the world- screw the world!
We'll fight them, plain and simple. We're prepared to spend some years on this, if necessary.
I won't share the details on this thread of which firm has been hired, what they plan on doing, knowing full well that LP's little b**ch, Paquito/dryheat, will run back to his LP cronies. Most likely, he doesn't have any pull or connections so I don't know why I would put him on a pedestal. Probably just a bitter old man- wife left him for a younger man- no friends- he hates the world- screw the world!
We'll fight them, plain and simple. We're prepared to spend some years on this, if necessary.
actually some may have already been doing too much talking (not the brightest). It's the HOA that enforces the regulations so you will need to bring up the issue with them not the rental company. It is also the HOA that can change the regulations to enforce stricter and tighter action on those that violate bylaws (an easy vote). let's see an attorney try and fight that one (especially ones that talk too much). Best of luck in your goal.
Yes, you are correct... I am an old man (sorry, bitter old man) with no friends and my wife left me for a younger man, oh and I hate the world too. I forgot, I also have no pull or connections (other than the guy who puts your name on a rice). You win- good job- now back to your legal fund collection efforts.
Here is a tip that may save you some money, ask your legal aid what happens if the regulations are amended to enforce stricter regulations on outside rentals (thanks of course to a heads up by someone who talks too much).
oh paquito, it's so cute when you get all heated and angry. don't be bitter that i can afford a lawyer for the next few years while you are still desperately trying to save those pesos to order that ukranian bride you have been eyeing online. by the time you get around to that, she might even be old enough to make it legal in the US. She'll make you feel younger, maybe less angry. Good luck with that- sincerely.
Ok after reading the posts following my comment I now understand what was funny ........... you were laughing ahead of time knowing what was coming. I took it as a serious post looking for solutions to a serious problem.
Ok after reading the posts following my comment I now understand what was funny ........... you were laughing ahead of time knowing what was coming. I took it as a serious post looking for solutions to a serious problem.
Like I said Dan...there have been several threads on this subject....and they have all become train wrecks!!
Like I said Dan...there have been several threads on this subject....and they have all become train wrecks!!
Are you down in Penasco enjoying yourself?
No. Hopefully the end of the month, I'm waiting for it to warm up a little, lol. Just got back from vacation and need a few days to catch up with work.
No. Hopefully the end of the month, I'm waiting for it to warm up a little, lol. Just got back from vacation and need a few days to catch up with work.
I saw the photos Rob and Michelle posted.....looked like it was a little windy down there!
The funniest part about it is that it did start out as a serious thread. There are some owners that want to take action, and most of you lot complaining just want to...well, complain, or gripe about the hopelessness of the situation, or pull the wool over each others' eyes. It doesn't change our plans in the least. I guess dryheat has been serving you some of the kool-aid. So to heck with it- let's talk about the weather. How are Michelle and Rob? Wind- exciting!
The funniest part about it is that it did start out as a serious thread. There are some owners that want to take action, and most of you lot complaining just want to...well, complain, or gripe about the hopelessness of the situation, or pull the wool over each others' eyes. It doesn't change our plans in the least. I guess dryheat has been serving you some of the kool-aid. So to heck with it- let's talk about the weather. How are Michelle and Rob? Wind- exciting!
playa....I'm not sure if you did a search on here looking for previous Las Palomas threads....but everything that can be said has probably been said, and argued ad infinitum....and every thread has become a train wreck! So forgive us if we didn't give you the attention you apparently desired!
I think many of us can see some of dry heat's motivation...and take his posts at that value!
I did take your post seriously as you can see in my replies but then it went down hill and became comical. By calling each other names, making accusations and threats you lost me and I joined the other people that were laughing. “Michelle and Rob? Wind – exciting!” sure we asked questions and shared information and we accomplished something but I agree we were not as funny as you guys.
:popcorn:I apologize to all for venting my cynicism. Every situation is different, and if you can get momentum, you may be able to make a difference. There is strength in unity...and cowardice in burying your head in the sand. Go for it and good luck!:popcorn:
--Sheryl
not serving kool aid or being a cheerleader. the difference is I am not emotionally making decision with my heart and saying such things as "off with their head" "lets sue them" "I can do as I want". When you step back and look at the options available, what the law is, how a foreign country works and make a decision based on sound reasoning- then I respect your thougths a lot more. don't worry guys, change is coming sooner than later. best of luck on your lawsuit and collecting money for your endevour (by the way that has been done on 3 different occassions over the last 4 years so maybe your attorney has a something unique up his sleeves).
I know my opinion doesn't count for much, but we've been renting at Las Palomas now for a week. In the past, I've stayed at Sonoran Spa, Sonoran Sky, Sonoran Sea, and Las Palmas. If I had the money to buy a condo, it would NOT be at Las Palomas. It's a beautiful property for sure, but you can see the problems. It seems like this place it hanging on by a thread. I think it's just too big. There aren't enough employees around to maintain the property and the ones that are here are just short of being disgruntled. We haven't had any problems, at all, but if I was in the market to buy it would be obvious to me this is not the place.
The prices here are outrageous as well. We have our own beer to bring to the pool and the beach, but the other day I had michelada envy when I saw someone at the pool get one, so I asked the waitress for just the Clamato with a line. $6.00!!!!! Yes, $6.00 for a cup of Clamato!!! WTH!!!!
For me, I still like the Sonoran Sky the best.
Oh yeah, one of the lightbulbs over the vanity in the bathroom is out. I thought about calling to get it replaced, but then I remembered someone posting on here that they charge the owner $5.00 for a lightbulb! I think I'll just e-mail her when I get home and tell her to change it herself! LOL
I know my opinion doesn't count for much, but we've been renting at Las Palomas now for a week. In the past, I've stayed at Sonoran Spa, Sonoran Sky, Sonoran Sea, and Las Palmas. If I had the money to buy a condo, it would NOT be at Las Palomas. It's a beautiful property for sure, but you can see the problems. It seems like this place it hanging on by a thread. I think it's just too big. There aren't enough employees around to maintain the property and the ones that are here are just short of being disgruntled. We haven't had any problems, at all, but if I was in the market to buy it would be obvious to me this is not the place.
The prices here are outrageous as well. We have our own beer to bring to the pool and the beach, but the other day I had michelada envy when I saw someone at the pool get one, so I asked the waitress for just the Clamato with a line. $6.00!!!!! Yes, $6.00 for a cup of Clamato!!! WTH!!!!
For me, I still like the Sonoran Sky the best.
Oh yeah, one of the lightbulbs over the vanity in the bathroom is out. I thought about calling to get it replaced, but then I remembered someone posting on here that they charge the owner $5.00 for a lightbulb! I think I'll just e-mail her when I get home and tell her to change it herself! LOL
Thanks for the information; it is always good to get other perspectives. Are you renting from the owner or though the management company? I was wondering how the management company was to deal with.
We are renting through the owner. After being here for a week I don't think I'd rent through the management company - not for any concrete reason, just a gut feeling after reading all the stuff here on the forum and after being here. We're very happy with the owner and the way they conduct their business. But boy, if I had the $$$ - I'd be over talking to Jim Rinquist and Sheri Jaymes and buying at the Sonoran Sky!
I wish we could buy. But we are starting to finally get serious about building a house on a piece of land we bought down the street from my mother in law in Texcoco, Estado de Mexico.
I used to live the Sonoran Spa. Especially unit 104 west. But now I'm hooked on the Sky.
A friend works for a beach property management company in California.
Management Services
They charge 25% and do the following...you guys are getting screwed
• Property Assessment
• Vacation Rental Preparation
• Establish Market and Seasonal Rental Rates
• Incorporate Property onto our Marketing sites
• Active and Timely Pursuit of Leads and Inquires
• Execution of Rental Agreements
• Collection and Administration of Deposits, Rents, and Fees
• Facilitation of Check-in and Check-out Procedures
• Enforcement of Rental Rules and Regulations
• Resolution of any Tenant Issues
• Ensure that the Property is Maintained to High Standards
• Provide Owners Access to our Maintenance Providers at our cost
• Provide 24/7 Service for Tenants and Property
• Conduct Inspections and Inventory upon Check-out
• Ensure Thorough Cleaning in Preparation of Upcoming Arrivals
• Quality Assurance Spot Checks
• Provide Detailed Bookkeeping
• Provide Owner Access to Reservation System and Availability Calendar
• Deposit or Wire Transfer all Net Income to Owners Account
Additional Services
Additional services include Design, Furnishing, Landscaping, Marketing, Absentee Owner Services, etc. are available. Whatever your needs, it’s likely we can accommodate them. Costs vary by job and property. Please contact a representative for detailed quotes.
A friend works for a beach property management company in California.
Management Services
They charge 25% and do the following...you guys are getting screwed
•Ja, ja ja ja Jerry, you know what's missing from that list !!!!!!!!!
I think we should have a one on one in person with dry heave......he seems to be behind a lot of whats going on and a few bitch slaped's would in lighingt us all. hey dry heave were is it we can find you ??????? Hide u little bitch we will find you !!!!!!
You are too funny.
I would love to meet you and take your punishment. My friends at Lions Den (The Den) in scottsdale would be more than happy to accomodate a guest of mine for some fun MMA or a little sparring in a controlled environment (it would be a blast and you can tell everyone how much fun you had). Don't worry about gloves or head gear, I can provide that. email me at [email protected] and let me know when you would like to come as my guest. I am usually there 3x a week so I would be more than happy to accomodate your schedule (then you can tell everyone what a nice guy I am). please email me and let me know when it would work out (if you are in the tucson area I also have a friend that owns an mma gym there too). I look forward to hearing from you.
You are too funny.
I would love to meet you and take your punishment. My friends at Lions Den (The Den) in scottsdale would be more than happy to accomodate a guest of mine for some fun MMA or a little sparring in a controlled environment (it would be a blast and you can tell everyone how much fun you had). Don't worry about gloves or head gear, I can provide that. email me at [email protected] and let me know when you would like to come as my guest. I am usually there 3x a week so I would be more than happy to accomodate your schedule (then you can tell everyone what a nice guy I am). please email me and let me know when it would work out (if you are in the tucson area I also have a friend that owns an mma gym there too). I look forward to hearing from you.
Tom I think you may have to take a hint from Raiders of the Lost Ark (when the guy with sword in the Market comes toward Harrison Ford so he sighs,shugs his shoulders and pulls his pistol and shoots him!)
Las Palomas is like a boat. Your happiest day is when you no longer own there. I have owned at Sonran Spa and Bella Sirena and never had the problems at those places that I had at LP Lost over $300,000 but if I stayed I am afraid it would have been more.
Can anyone please tell me why they aren't watering the golf course?! It looks like <WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP><WASH MY MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP>!!! With the weather being nice and this is what they do to the course?! OMG SCREW LP
The whole course looked rough when I was in town on Saturday. Wanted to play sunday morning but didn't want to spend the money when I have better looking grass in my back yard.
OK...I'm not a golfer...but I was out on the course over the weekend...for that YSF Baseball Clinic golf tournament....and although the appearance from above (color) looks like hell....it seemed to be very nice.....the greens may have been brownish/yellowish...but they were smooth, well manicured....the golfers didn't seem to have any problems with them. But like I said, what do I know?
Grass stops growing around late September or early October in North America. It begins growing again around March. It is due to the tilt of the Earth, not the temperature, rainfall, or other factors-contrary to popular belief.
The Mayan and Laguna courses are in great shape - the Laguna course is such a great deal - $30 - granted you play the same 9 twice but it's really nice out there, course in great shape, and usually more people working the course than playing it at any given time.
Grass stops growing around late September or early October in North America. It begins growing again around March. It is due to the tilt of the Earth, not the temperature, rainfall, or other factors-contrary to popular belief.
Very good point, playa. However most modern day courses in the south and southwest have a Bermuda grass that can withstand the summer heat and humidity.
In the fall it goes dormant and turns brown. In the early fall those courses "over-seed" with a Rye grass that will live all winter and stay green if watered. I actually
believe it would grow on cement if watered.
They eventually let it die and the warmer weather brings back the dormant bermuda.
It appears Las Palomas either didn't plant rye or if they did, they didn't water. RP Joe is right. If the course is trimed and kept reasonably manicured, it is playable
but not very asthetic to the picky picky golfer. There are other more technical reasons to prefer growing grass, but for most it's how it looks.
Thanls for the info folks, as always the forum is willing to help.
Very good point, playa. However most modern day courses in the south and southwest have a Bermuda grass that can withstand the summer heat and humidity.
In the fall it goes dormant and turns brown. In the early fall those courses "over-seed" with a Rye grass that will live all winter and stay green if watered. I actually
believe it would grow on cement if watered.
They eventually let it die and the warmer weather brings back the dormant bermuda.
It appears Las Palomas either didn't plant rye or if they did, they didn't water. RP Joe is right. If the course is trimed and kept reasonably manicured, it is playable
but not very asthetic to the picky picky golfer. There are other more technical reasons to prefer growing grass, but for most it's how it looks.
Thanls for the info folks, as always the forum is willing to help.
I would think they didn't plant the rye...since the course/ground seemed very "moist" from all the rains the past couple of months. Didn't one of the resorts advertise that they used some type of grass that would utilize salt water?
Ya know Playa, I hardly ever get up there anymore. Those s/c's started charging more and I lost interest. I think Kenny must have taken my advice and headed down to GV and
found one of them Safeway "chicks". Haven't heard from him in a while. I'm not complaining, just curious.
Speaking of the DD casino down this way, and speaking of raising their prices, it used to be a good place to go to eat, but they got a fancy new chef and with a new chef comes a new
menu and with a new menu new prices. They have pretty good ribs and you used to get a half rack for 12.95. Now there is no half rack and a full rack is 19.95. Prime Rib was 16.95 and now 19.95.
Let them eat cake, I'll go back to my usual haunts.
Thanks for the article on the St. Augustine grass. Don't think they use that around here, but it's along the line of what we're talking about.
I would think they didn't plant the rye...since the course/ground seemed very "moist" from all the rains the past couple of months. Didn't one of the resorts advertise that they used some type of grass that would utilize salt water?
Can't answer that, but I have heard of some courses using it around the country. I used to play a course in Vero Beach, Florida. It was right on the ocean and had that big bladed old fashion tough bermuda.
You couldn't kill it with a truck load of RoundUp. The ocean winds would blow that salt all over the place and it would be back pronto. Was nasty stuff to play off and putt on.
Those s/c's started charging more and I lost interest. I think Kenny must have taken my advice and headed down to GV and
found one of them Safeway "chicks". Haven't heard from him in a while. I'm not complaining, just curious
I think it might be that there hasn't been anything nearly as interesting as winter rye to post about in some time. Now I lived in Phoenix for many years, and we always planted bla bla bla, and bla every winter :mrgreen: One good reason to plant rye in the winter other than the estatics is that bla bla bla house clean. One other thing about winter rye is :blah: :blah:
Those s/c's started charging more and I lost interest.
I think it might be that there hasn't been anything nearly as interesting as winter rye to post about in some time. Now I lived in Phoenix for many years, and we always planted bla bla bla, and bla every winter :mrgreen: One good reason to plant rye in the winter other than the estatics is that bla bla bla house clean. One other thing about winter rye is :blah: :blah:
Whats a s/c's ?
Granted the site has been rather boring lately. No good rants, nothing to really sink your teeth, what few are left, into. Then along comes Kenny, blah blah blah.
Now talk about racing and those emission spewing, noisy rat cars and he's all ears and mouth. (Actually, I like them too, but don't tell Kenny)
Now for the million dollar question. Drum Roll, please.
S/C = Silver Cougars(female type) that hang aroud the Desert Diamond Casino. Sorry Playa, I couldn't let the poor guy go on with knowing our secret. I'll bet he's there by 10:00 tonight.
Man Gv I love them ribs! Twenty bucks do they let you split a plate or charge extra for another plate? Well I don't think i can find anyone that will split a plate! Hey
you should of kept Kenny wondering all night thinking what a s?c is. You do know that Kenny and I have some history on the forum....
The Mayan and Laguna courses are in great shape - the Laguna course is such a great deal - $30 - granted you play the same 9 twice but it's really nice out there, course in great shape, and usually more people working the course than playing it at any given time.
That works for me the way I play golf I never see the same part of the fairway more than once.
Ok everyone, grab a cold one and sit down, the kid is about to school you on all things grass/golf. I was pursuing a degree from ASU in turfgrassmanagement as well as working on the grounds crew for one of the best superintendents in the Phoenix metro area at Phoenix Country Club. I know a thing or two about grass. First of all, Ive never heard of what PLAYA is talking about in regards to tilt of the earth. There are most definitely grasses that can grow annually and their growth has nothing to do with the tilt of the earth. One example of this would be BENTGRASS. Bentgrass is a cool climate grass just like RYEGRASSand Fescue. However, growing conditions can be manipulated and bentgrass can be utilized even in the summertime here in Phoenix. That being said, Bentgrass isnt very common in lower elevations especially in the Phoenix area. Bentgrass is generally used on the greens here in the Phoenix area on the few courses that use it. Most of the courses that utilize bentgrass here in the Phoenix area are all up in Carefree. One particular course that has bentgrass greens would be Pinnacle Peak Country Club. Like I said earlier, conditions must be manipulated to grow bentgrass in Phoenix in the summertime, ie. more water and even sometimes using fans to keep the grass cooler. Bentgrass and ryegrass are generally found more in higher elevations, particularly in the Northwest. Flagstaff courses utilize bentgrass as well. Cold weather grasses like bentgrass and ryegrass have very thin leaves and provide the best putting surface. Bermuda grass is used widely in the Southwest, AZ, Inland Cali, Nevada. Hybrid bermuda turfgrasses have been developed specifically for golf courses and professional venues that require grass. There are a few that are used more frequently here in the state of AZ, ie. Ez-turf, tif-green and Tifway 419. Bermuda grass is a warm season grass and therefor will go dormant in cooler months. Bermuda grass will have to be overseeded with Ryegrass for the cooler months if you wish to keep the grass green. Dormant bermuda grass can be kept an off-greenish color if proper water is still applied to the grass in the off-season months. Dormant grass should not be confused with dead grass. Hybrid bermuda grass offer some of best playing conditions in my opinion. Hybrid bermuda grass have smaller and thinner leaf blades and offer an excellent playing surface, especially when overseeded with ryegrass. St. Augustine and Kentucky blue grass can be found in the south and midwest. These types of grass have very broad leaf blades and IMHO dont look as good and arent as good of a playing surface. Poa annua is used in California from San Diego to NoCal. IMHO poa annua resembles a weed and for me is a poor playing surface. Poa annua is another broad leafed turfgrass and is related to blue grass. Poa annua creates a less than stellar putting surface on greens. The courses in Rocky Point use a hybrid turfgrass created to deal better with salt. This turgrass does NOT get overseeded in the fall and therefore becomes dormant when temperatures consistently come down. When you are playing a course in Rocky Point from November or December to about April the turfgrass is dormant. The color of the dormant turfgrass depends on how much water it is receiving as well as how cold or hot it has been. If it is a mild winter and the course if properly maintained then the grass can be a little more greenish gray than brown. Ive played Peninsula de Cortez (Mayan Palace) a few times in the winter and the course has been pretty green even though the grass was dormant. Playing conditions can be excellent on dormant grass. However, I wouldnt count on good playing conditions with the grass being dead at LP.
Mexico Joe....a "degree" in grass management...is that a B.S. or M.S.? :rofl: Are there any Ph.D.'s teaching or just teaching assistants? How large is the department? :stir:
No wonder ASU is so huge, and the tuition has gone up so much!
A grass question for you. We have a lot of grass at our complex and recently a BOD member was talking to the landscaper about it and was told that in the winter it had to be mowed 2 to 3 times a week to keep it looking good, which was why costs were so high. Was he correct? I never remember mowing the lawn in Phoenix or California more then once a week and as I recall, they looked great. Don't know if he was spreading a line of ______ or he was correct. Tks for your help.
A grass question for you. We have a lot of grass at our complex and recently a BOD member was talking to the landscaper about it and was told that in the winter it had to be mowed 2 to 3 times a week to keep it looking good, which was why costs were so high. Was he correct? I never remember mowing the lawn in Phoenix or California more then once a week and as I recall, they looked great. Don't know if he was spreading a line of ______ or he was correct. Tks for your help.
Hmmm, maybe you are getting clipped !!??!:rofl::rofl:
My parents used to have a sod farm in Indio California, which sold sod and stolens to sports stadiums (Dodger stadium) and golf courses, etc. We used to have to drive from Phoenix to Indio in the summer to box the stolens. I remember a temperature of 125! Now, we go out to the Mayan, and the grass looks exactly like the grass he used to sell. It was originally found growing naturally on a golf course on a beach in Australia, not bothered by the salt, and my parents and another man started the sod farm. After several years of driving back and forth, they sold their position for a loss. The person who bought it converted it : it's now the Palm Springs Polo Club!
A grass question for you. We have a lot of grass at our complex and recently a BOD member was talking to the landscaper about it and was told that in the winter it had to be mowed 2 to 3 times a week to keep it looking good, which was why costs were so high. Was he correct? I never remember mowing the lawn in Phoenix or California more then once a week and as I recall, they looked great. Don't know if he was spreading a line of ______ or he was correct. Tks for your help.
Honestly for your type of application it would be based on personal preference but once a week is sufficient. I wouldnt say by any means that it "needs" to be. I assume you're talking about ryegrass? A bermuda hybrid tiff grass is recommended to be mowed twice a week but even then for a house or complex it really comes down to personal preference. I used to cut the grass twice a week because Im kind of ocd about my "grass" lol but that was personal preference because the more you cut the grass the better its going to look for a number of reasons. First of all, most people dont even have nice enough bermuda grass in their yards/complex to need to cut it more than once a week. If you dont have "sodded tiff" ie. bobsod, tifway 419 ez-turf then once a week is plenty. Ryegrass can be cut more than once a week but once again it doesnt need to be. Ryegrass is a lot more temperamental than bermuda and can be screwed up easily. Ryegrass can stress out easily from being cut too short, too much, by wind, too much water, not enought water ect. Cutting once a week for your application is fine.
Mexico Joe....a "degree" in grass management...is that a B.S. or M.S.? :rofl: Are there any Ph.D.'s teaching or just teaching assistants? How large is the department? :stir:
No wonder ASU is so huge, and the tuition has gone up so much!
I dont know if that's a slight on ASU or what but just for your information just about every Big Ten school has a turfgrass management program, Rutgers has a good one too. Hell, pick a school in the midwest or east and Ill show you a school with a turfgrass management program. U of A also has one! Apparently you underestimate the necessity of this profession...
I dont know if that's a slight on ASU or what but just for your information just about every Big Ten school has a turfgrass management program, Rutgers has a good one too. Hell, pick a school in the midwest or east and Ill show you a school with a turfgrass management program. U of A also has one! Apparently you underestimate the necessity of this profession...
Please spare me any smart remarks, but one of the greatest programs in the country is at Penn State. It is also part of a great golf resort called Toftrees.
I haven't been there for quite a few years but used to make it frequesnt stop on my easterly business trips.
The agronomy/turfgrass program was very accomodating and most willing to discuss any problems or questions we had.
My Ohio State had a very good program, but not up to Penn State's standards.
I think people don't understand the overall value of an agronomy program and just link it to golf courses, alone. There's more to it than that,
but that's a song for another show.
I dont know if that's a slight on ASU or what but just for your information just about every Big Ten school has a turfgrass management program, Rutgers has a good one too. Hell, pick a school in the midwest or east and Ill show you a school with a turfgrass management program. U of A also has one! Apparently you underestimate the necessity of this profession...
Methinks someone is a bit sensitive......my "beef" is with the monster schools, some of the curriculum (or is it curriculi) offered, contunually raising tuition, and not providing sufficient "core" type classes so that students can graduate in 4 years, with many of the core classes being taught by teaching assistants, while the phD's pull in grants and do research (sorry.....while the phD candidates do the research under their "guidance")!
This thread seems to have been lost in the rough,,,,
rockyptjoe said:
Methinks someone is a bit sensitive......my "beef" is with the monster schools, some of the curriculum (or is it curriculi) offered, contunually raising tuition, and not providing sufficient "core" type classes so that students can graduate in 4 years, with many of the core classes being taught by teaching assistants, while the phD's pull in grants and do research (sorry.....while the phD candidates do the research under their "guidance")!
Methinks someone is a bit sensitive......my "beef" is with the monster schools, some of the curriculum (or is it curriculi) offered, contunually raising tuition, and not providing sufficient "core" type classes so that students can graduate in 4 years, with many of the core classes being taught by teaching assistants, while the phD's pull in grants and do research (sorry.....while the phD candidates do the research under their "guidance")!
Joe, you have me so lost! This is my mouth wide open with my jaw on the floor trying to figure out what the hell you're talking about...
Please spare me any smart remarks, but one of the greatest programs in the country is at Penn State. It is also part of a great golf resort called Toftrees.
I haven't been there for quite a few years but used to make it frequesnt stop on my easterly business trips.
The agronomy/turfgrass program was very accomodating and most willing to discuss any problems or questions we had.
My Ohio State had a very good program, but not up to Penn State's standards.
I think people don't understand the overall value of an agronomy program and just link it to golf courses, alone. There's more to it than that,
but that's a song for another show.
The super from Phx Country Club got his degree from Penn State. They're supposed to be the best...... O yes and OH IO
Saw where they were hiring 100 people at las palomas and had an overload of people show up and apply at the camaron park...thing must be coming back at dry heats
...or is it Ernesto's place?
