Fire Works Accident at Sonoran Spa

I just read where there was an accident with fireworks last night at 8pm at the Sonoran Spa and that 7 were injured with 2 being flown to the States.

Pray that they are all going to be ok.

El Gato said:

I just read where there was an accident with fireworks last night at 8pm at the Sonoran Spa and that 7 were injured with 2 being flown to the States.

Pray that they are all going to be ok.

A total of eight teenaged boys (ages 12-15) were injured at just after pm last night. The boys were taken in several ambulances to various facilities in town, where we spent hours with them until they were finally sent home. One group arranged transport immediately due to the severity of the injuries and then at about 11pm, two more were sent by ambulance to Lukeville, where a medical helicopter was to be ready to fly them to St. Joseph's.

Earlier in the day, the boys and their families had purchased a bunch of fireworks. While the adults were downstairs barbecueing, the kids decided to take the powder from the fireworks and "make one big one". The powder exploded from the activity (the boys say they did not light a match) and the floor tile they were working on became shrapnel. Several of them suffered only minor injuries, but at least 2 were maimed (fingers and an arm) and another will need cosmetic facial reparation.

All of the young men received excellent care at the General Hopital and Clinica San Jose, spending hours with surgeons prior to leaving, as doctors prepared them for the trip. A doctor and a paramedic accompanied them in the event of a setback en route.

Los lesionados que fueron trasladados vía aérea a son los hermanos Dilan Dalton de 15 años y Dustin Dalton de 13 años. Los que están hospitalizados en Peñasco son: Jerome Nixon de 15 años Jarred Nixon de 12 años, John Tristan de 13 años y Graham Crown de 14 años, todos residentes de Mesa, Arizona, estaban acompañados de uno de los padres y otro familiar.

Here's the name's of the injured..

Thank you for the updates - our prayers are with them and their families.

Hope they have insurance as the helicopter ride could be 30k

jerry said:

Hope they have insurance as the helicopter ride could be 30k

Well, they stiffed the General Hospital for $150 dollars. Then gringos ask why these doctors insist on payment before letting them leave. This kind of stuff just affects the way the next patient gets treated. I was embarrassed. I understand that in an emergency people aren't always thinking clearly, but the emergency room doctors were doing everything they could for these kids.

We'd like to take care of the $150 when we go down on the 24th. What is the location of the General Hospital where they were treated?

Thanks...

showlowjoe said:

We'd like to take care of the $150 when we go down on the 24th. What is the location of the General Hospital where they were treated?

Thanks...

Very, very cool of you Showlowjoe. Incredible gesture. Thank you from all of us who respect the efforts of the medical teams in Penasco who are doing the best they can with the resources and technology they have down there.

Your efforts will be greatly appreciated and hopefully will speak to the generosity and appreciation of the many Americans who deeply care for Penasco.

I'm so proud of you, Showlowjoe.......I can't wait to meet you!

Thanks as always, Rosie for the updates. How horrifying...... I've got them all in my prayers.....

PitiquitoRosy said:

Well, they stiffed the General Hospital for $150 dollars. Then gringos ask why these doctors insist on payment before letting them leave. This kind of stuff just affects the way the next patient gets treated. I was embarrassed. I understand that in an emergency people aren't always thinking clearly, but the emergency room doctors were doing everything they could for these kids.

No disrespect but that clinic isn't capable of handling a situation like that or anything else semi serious. The emergency room doctors were doing everything they could for these kids which Im sure involved not a whole lot. Im sure these are the same doctors or doctor that administered xrays on me and then told me nothing was broken, only later to realize I had shattered vertebrae in my back. Its unfortunate that in a real emergency they wont release you till you have payed up. In a real emergency minutes matter and for you to have to sit there and wait to be released to the states before you pay up is a joke. I feel bad for these kids and their families. Hopefully they were able to pay quickly and get the hell out of there and get to St Joes as quickly as I did. I was fortunate that my parents gave a credit card over the phone but what about the person that doesn't have $600 laying there and their condition is now being affected because they aren't getting the timely treatment they need? I would have rather skipped everything they did for me in exchange for the straight ride to the border. Everything they did to me at the Clinic was a complete waste of time. They weren't capable of handling a situation like mine and only delayed the process of getting back to the states. The way my parents and I look at it we payed $600 for a ride to the border, which is a really good deal and worth it so Im not saying anything there. An ambulance ride in the states even a mile or two can be a thousand or more, however they aren't going to make you pay for it before they take you, lol. This is coming from a country with socialized medicine, could you imagine if we made everyone here in the states pay their bill before being released? LOl, it wouldnt happen because millions of people each year use the emergency room or have emergencies in general and they cant pay for it. Its really disturbing to think that they would keep you there if you couldnt pay even though you have a potentially life threating medical emergency. Hopefully these kids will be fine and hopefully they dont have some residual effect for the rest of their life because they didnt get timely medical treatment in the states.

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Beautifull, Mexico Joe,

Mexico Joe said:

No disrespect but that clinic isn't capable of handling a situation like that or anything else semi serious. The emergency room doctors were doing everything they could for these kids which Im sure involved not a whole lot. Im sure these are the same doctors or doctor that administered xrays on me and then told me nothing was broken, only later to realize I had shattered vertebrae in my back. Its unfortunate that in a real emergency they wont release you till you have payed up. In a real emergency minutes matter and for you to have to sit there and wait to be released to the states before you pay up is a joke. I feel bad for these kids and their families. Hopefully they were able to pay quickly and get the hell out of there and get to St Joes as quickly as I did. I was fortunate that my parents gave a credit card over the phone but what about the person that doesn't have $600 laying there and their condition is now being affected because they aren't getting the timely treatment they need? I would have rather skipped everything they did for me in exchange for the straight ride to the border. Everything they did to me at the Clinic was a complete waste of time. They weren't capable of handling a situation like mine and only delayed the process of getting back to the states. The way my parents and I look at it we payed $600 for a ride to the border, which is a really good deal and worth it so Im not saying anything there. An ambulance ride in the states even a mile or two can be a thousand or more, however they aren't going to make you pay for it before they take you, lol. This is coming from a country with socialized medicine, could you imagine if we made everyone here in the states pay their bill before being released? LOl, it wouldnt happen because millions of people each year use the emergency room or have emergencies in general and they cant pay for it. Its really disturbing to think that they would keep you there if you couldnt pay even though you have a potentially life threating medical emergency. Hopefully these kids will be fine and hopefully they dont have some residual effect for the rest of their life because they didnt get timely medical treatment in the states.

``` Joe, RITE ON, I was thinking the same damn thing, ~ ~ ~ especially your last 4 - 6 sentence's, RITE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~ ~ ~ Joe, you were easy on them, ``` What I was going to say, ``` was ```WAY OFF THE CHARTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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showlowjoe said:

We'd like to take care of the $150 when we go down on the 24th. What is the location of the General Hospital where they were treated?

Thanks...

Just got in and saw this. What a generous and kind gesture, Joe. The hospital is on Rio Suchiate right across the street from where the Deli House used to be. When you go there, just ask to speak with the cashier and tell her it's for the bill left by the boys who got burned by fireworks. Everyone will know because even the Hospital administrator came out to help last night.

And again...thank you very much for your example.

Stay home then!!!

Mexico Joe said:

No disrespect but that clinic isn't capable of handling a situation like that or anything else semi serious. The emergency room doctors were doing everything they could for these kids which Im sure involved not a whole lot. Im sure these are the same doctors or doctor that administered xrays on me and then told me nothing was broken, only later to realize I had shattered vertebrae in my back. Its unfortunate that in a real emergency they wont release you till you have payed up. In a real emergency minutes matter and for you to have to sit there and wait to be released to the states before you pay up is a joke. I feel bad for these kids and their families. Hopefully they were able to pay quickly and get the hell out of there and get to St Joes as quickly as I did. I was fortunate that my parents gave a credit card over the phone but what about the person that doesn't have $600 laying there and their condition is now being affected because they aren't getting the timely treatment they need? I would have rather skipped everything they did for me in exchange for the straight ride to the border. Everything they did to me at the Clinic was a complete waste of time. They weren't capable of handling a situation like mine and only delayed the process of getting back to the states. The way my parents and I look at it we payed $600 for a ride to the border, which is a really good deal and worth it so Im not saying anything there. An ambulance ride in the states even a mile or two can be a thousand or more, however they aren't going to make you pay for it before they take you, lol. This is coming from a country with socialized medicine, could you imagine if we made everyone here in the states pay their bill before being released? LOl, it wouldnt happen because millions of people each year use the emergency room or have emergencies in general and they cant pay for it. Its really disturbing to think that they would keep you there if you couldnt pay even though you have a potentially life threating medical emergency. Hopefully these kids will be fine and hopefully they dont have some residual effect for the rest of their life because they didnt get timely medical treatment in the states.

Don't know where you were or who treated you, Joe. Of the eight kids, three were taken to General Hospital, three to the San Jose clinic and the other two were taken to the new urgent care place on Sandy Beach. At San Jose, surgeons were brought in to work on the kid's arm and prepared him to travel The two on Sandy Beach were air-lifted right away. At San Jose, the parents were able to speak to someone at the Consulate and they arranged for the helicopter at Lukeville. Sorry you feel you we don't have adequate care here, but I've heard as many stories that tell a different tale. If I ever have to be transported from Penasco due to a medical emergency, I would opt for Hermosillo. I know Russ thinks highly of the military hospital here. Guess it's just depends what part of the elephant you see on a given day.

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Stiffing a hospital for $150 bucks makes 'gringos' look bad? Then tell me Rosie, how does stiffing hospitals in the US for millions upon millions of dollars while in the county illegally make Mexicans look?

el jimador said:

Stiffing a hospital for $150 bucks makes 'gringos' look bad? Then tell me Rosie, how does stiffing hospitals in the US for millions upon millions of dollars while in the county illegally make Mexicans look?

Oh bright one. you are comparing apples and oranges. one example is a criminal act (entering the country ilegally). the other example is one of a group entering the country legally and not paying a bill. your example is like saying how can drug dealers stiff the government from paying taxes on their income while others have to pay taxes.

~ ~ ~ Bingo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

el jimador said:

Stiffing a hospital for $150 bucks makes 'gringos' look bad? Then tell me Rosie, how does stiffing hospitals in the US for millions upon millions of dollars while in the county illegally make Mexicans look?

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dry heat said:

Oh bright one. you are comparing apples and oranges. one example is a criminal act (entering the country ilegally). the other example is one of a group entering the country legally and not paying a bill. your example is like saying how can drug dealers stiff the government from paying taxes on their income while others have to pay taxes.

~ ~ ~ Man, I would like nothing better, dry heat,

~ ~ ~ But a promise is a promise, ```

HAPPY said:

~ ~ ~ Man, I would like nothing better, dry heat,

~ ~ ~ But a promise is a promise, ```

please please entertain me. It already takes me a while to figure out what you are saying, not sure if it is english, spanish, riddles or code you are speaking in. In any case it is highly entertaining.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, ~ ~ ~

dry heat said:

please please entertain me. It already takes me a while to figure out what you are saying, not sure if it is english, spanish, riddles or code you are speaking in. In any case it is highly entertaining.

~ ~ ~ 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, ~ ~ ~ :lol: :lol: :lol: ~ ~ ~

Had an experience with family member, and a major head injury. We took him to the clinic, where they gave his steroids to prevent his brain from swelling, and the doctor stayed with him all night. He later went to Mayo in Scottsdale, and they said the clinic did the correct procedures.

One does not make the other right. Not paying because you have no money hase to be different from not paying when you can. I have to believe if the gringos had told the Dr. or hospital that they had spent all their money and would pay later that would have been OK.
Stiffing anyone is just plain not right.

el jimador said:

Stiffing a hospital for $150 bucks makes 'gringos' look bad? Then tell me Rosie, how does stiffing hospitals in the US for millions upon millions of dollars while in the county illegally make Mexicans look?

I didn't say it made gringos look bad, I said it would affect the way the next gringo is treated, and that I was embarrassed (this, because I was with them and left my own number as the contact number). Your clumsy attempt to use this situation to beat that same old, tired drum is of no interest to me...bait someone else. Yawn...

Rosy, your attitude was quite clear "stiffed" as if Im sure the Americans intended to "stiff" anyone. And the constant strain on our resources here in the USA most certainly affect the way the next Mexican is treated and viewed as well, but of course we dont want to beat that same old drum, right? How pathetic, 150 bucks, yeah, Im sure the Americans intent was to "stiff" the medical workers, please? Chose your words a little better next time.

Rosy, the reason that tired old drum keeps getting beat is there is truth in its message. You just don't want to hear it. It does not fit with your message that the poor Mexican is again being taken avantage of by big bad 'gringo'. You refuse to see from which side of the border the worst behavior originates. I'm not using this 'situation' for anything other than to respond to your bigoted post. Yawn, yes, you are more than predictable when comes to border issues.

gyarbs said:

Rosy, your attitude was quite clear "stiffed" as if Im sure the Americans intended to "stiff" anyone. And the constant strain on our resources here in the USA most certainly affect the way the next Mexican is treated and viewed as well, but of course we dont want to beat that same old drum, right? How pathetic, 150 bucks, yeah, Im sure the Americans intent was to "stiff" the medical workers, please? Chose your words a little better next time.

Are you implying that an American would not "stiff" anyone for $150? That's ridiculous, of course some would and some do. You weren't there and I was. They were asked to pay several times and chose not to. They did pay the higher bill that included the ambulance ride to the border, but I stand by my choice of words. Since when do I need your approval on my vocabulary, anyway? I'll make you a deal, you structure your posts the way you want to, and if I take personal offense I'll address it, and vice versa. As for the drum you're beating...some of you turn every discussion into that old song. What happens in the States doesn't make what happened here last night any less wrong.

In the Mexican radio news it was reported that the injured boys had all been drinking. This is untrue and I have complained about that report. While some of the parents had been drinking earlier in the day, the boys were seemingly all good, sober kids and what happened certainly sobered the parents up real quick.

el jimador said:

Rosy, the reason that tired old drum keeps getting beat is there is truth in its message. You just don't want to hear it. It does not fit with your message that the poor Mexican is again being taken avantage of by big bad 'gringo'. You refuse to see from which side of the border the worst behavior originates. I'm not using this 'situation' for anything other than to respond to your bigoted post. Yawn, yes, you are more than predictable when comes to border issues.

When I'm in the States I don't like bad behavior, even if the perpetrators are Mexican, and in Mexico, I don't like bad behavior. Your point is not a valid one in the context of what happened last night, which is what was being discussed. I am not a bigot, and by the way, neither are any of the many people who worked hard last night to help the families in quesiton. I only hope that in the U.S., Mexican families would've been treated with the same respect.

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gyarbs said:

Rosy, your attitude was quite clear "stiffed" as if Im sure the Americans intended to "stiff" anyone. And the constant strain on our resources here in the USA most certainly affect the way the next Mexican is treated and viewed as well, but of course we dont want to beat that same old drum, right? How pathetic, 150 bucks, yeah, Im sure the Americans intent was to "stiff" the medical workers, please? Chose your words a little better next time.

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el jimador said:

Rosy, the reason that tired old drum keeps getting beat is there is truth in its message. You just don't want to hear it. It does not fit with your message that the poor Mexican is again being taken avantage of by big bad 'gringo'. You refuse to see from which side of the border the worst behavior originates. I'm not using this 'situation' for anything other than to respond to your bigoted post. Yawn, yes, you are more than predictable when comes to border issues.

~ ~ ~ :gradea: ~ ~ ~ :bunny: ~ ~ ~

By the looks of the room they spent all their money on the fire crackers to make the one BIG one.. Sad, hope they all recover.

Terry C said:

By the looks of the room they spent all their money on the fire crackers to make the one BIG one.. Sad, hope they all recover.

It is sad. Especially the 13-yr old with the damaged arm and his friend with severed fingers. Did you see the gouges in the ceiling of that condo? The explosion had to have been fierce. All of them were still having hearing problems at 11pm.

dmcauley said:

Stay home then!!!

Stay home then?! LAWL Im going to stay home then because of a 1 and 1 million chance of breaking my back?! Come on dude, seriously? Stay home then, wow... I really dont know what to say. Do you have some personal vested interest in the San Jorge Clinic? Why do you care if I tell everyone about my bad experience? I've said nothing to offend you directly.

PitiquitoRosy said:

Don't know where you were or who treated you, Joe. Of the eight kids, three were taken to General Hospital, three to the San Jose clinic and the other two were taken to the new urgent care place on Sandy Beach. At San Jose, surgeons were brought in to work on the kid's arm and prepared him to travel The two on Sandy Beach were air-lifted right away. At San Jose, the parents were able to speak to someone at the Consulate and they arranged for the helicopter at Lukeville. Sorry you feel you we don't have adequate care here, but I've heard as many stories that tell a different tale. If I ever have to be transported from Penasco due to a medical emergency, I would opt for Hermosillo. I know Russ thinks highly of the military hospital here. Guess it's just depends what part of the elephant you see on a given day.

I was taken to the San Jose Clinic. I dont need to feel anything, its a fact that the Clinic doesnt have adequate care. They dont have adequate care thats why they were air lifted to St. Joes. Listen Im not trying to dog on the clinic Im just hoping this might help someone in the future avoid having similar issues in an emergency. I dont see elephants and I dont understand why you would suggest where to be taken for emergency treatment. My issue is the hospital not releasing someone in the event of an emergency. I had broken vertebrae, this was a Spinal Cord Injury, minutes matter and for someone to say no we cant let him go anywhere till he pays is ridiculous. What if I couldnt have gotten a hold of my parents right away? What if it was hours? Im fortunate because my parents picked up the phone right away and payment was made immediately and I was taken to the border. In all fairness and to the credit of San Jose Clinic they did arrange with my parents for me to be airlifted from Lukeville. I was airlifted to ST JOES and my neurosurgeon credits my timely arrival and subsequent surgery to being able to walk again. In a true emergency, minutes and hours matter and for someone to possibly negatively effect the outcome can be frustrating to say the least. Rosy you're an important person from what I understand, why dont you tell us the best way to get to the United States for treatment. After all of this I think the Mexican Red Cross and an ambulance ride to the border is the best bet but Im curious about alternatives. Nobody wants to go to Hermasillo and in my case St Joes is one of the best in the US for Spinal Cord and Brain injuries.

Mexico Joe said:

I was taken to the San Jose Clinic. I dont need to feel anything, its a fact that the Clinic doesnt have adequate care. They dont have adequate care thats why they were air lifted to St. Joes. Listen Im not trying to dog on the clinic Im just hoping this might help someone in the future avoid having similar issues in an emergency. I dont see elephants and I dont understand why you would suggest where to be taken for emergency treatment. My issue is the hospital not releasing someone in the event of an emergency. I had broken vertebrae, this was a Spinal Cord Injury, minutes matter and for someone to say no we cant let him go anywhere till he pays is ridiculous. What if I couldnt have gotten a hold of my parents right away? What if it was hours? Im fortunate because my parents picked up the phone right away and payment was made immediately and I was taken to the border. In all fairness and to the credit of San Jose Clinic they did arrange with my parents for me to be airlifted from Lukeville. I was airlifted to ST JOES and my neurosurgeon credits my timely arrival and subsequent surgery to being able to walk again. In a true emergency, minutes and hours matter and for someone to possibly negatively effect the outcome can be frustrating to say the least. Rosy you're an important person from what I understand, why dont you tell us the best way to get to the United States for treatment. After all of this I think the Mexican Red Cross and an ambulance ride to the border is the best bet but Im curious about alternatives. Nobody wants to go to Hermasillo and in my case St Joes is one of the best in the US for Spinal Cord and Brain injuries.

I understand your injury was a serious one, and am glad you got back safely and got the appropriate care. The elephant i refer to is the old adage that says the blind men, all touching the elephant, describe it differently because they touched a different part (flappy ears, eely tail, tree trunk legs, etc). I don't pretend to think that we have the equipment in Penasco that is available in the States. In fact, when our current Governor was campaigning, I met with him about the importance of providing us with at least the bare minimum to deal with the kinds of trauma incidents we see every year.

Nor am I always happy with Dr. Rodriguez' policy of "you stay here until your bill is paid", but I know that he's running a business and that there are some people who wouldn't do the honorable thing and pay later for services rendered.

As for the best way to get back to the U.S. in an emergency, there is currently no better alternative than an ambulance to the border and a helicopter waiting there to take you the rest of the way. The Consulate is an important part of making those arrangements because things go more quickly if the Consulate is on the case. We try to take up some of the slack where we can, for example, if the people last night had needed to cash a check, we would've cashed it for them so they could pay the bill. This is assuming we had the funds and if I feel reasonably sure the check will be good (in this case that would not have been a problem).

Dr. Francisco Carrillo at the San Jose Clinic is an excellent physician and, last night at least, he was assisted by some very skilled doctors. Let me point out that when the word went out that children were injured in an explosion on Sandy Beach, the police department completely shut down the roads from the Sonoran to the clinics to all but the ambulances so they could get those kids there as quickly and safely as possible. While I agree that the U.S. is better equipped to handle these things (unfortunately), I reiterate that lots of people did a fine job last night.

This wasn't the only emergency my office was involved in this weekend, although it was the only one involving injuries, thank God.

Viva Mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PitiquitoRosy said:

I understand your injury was a serious one, and am glad you got back safely and got the appropriate care. The elephant i refer to is the old adage that says the blind men, all touching the elephant, describe it differently because they touched a different part (flappy ears, eely tail, tree trunk legs, etc). I don't pretend to think that we have the equipment in Penasco that is available in the States. In fact, when our current Governor was campaigning, I met with him about the importance of providing us with at least the bare minimum to deal with the kinds of trauma incidents we see every year.

Nor am I always happy with Dr. Rodriguez' policy of "you stay here until your bill is paid", but I know that he's running a business and that there are some people who wouldn't do the honorable thing and pay later for services rendered.

As for the best way to get back to the U.S. in an emergency, there is currently no better alternative than an ambulance to the border and a helicopter waiting there to take you the rest of the way. The Consulate is an important part of making those arrangements because things go more quickly if the Consulate is on the case. We try to take up some of the slack where we can, for example, if the people last night had needed to cash a check, we would've cashed it for them so they could pay the bill. This is assuming we had the funds and if I feel reasonably sure the check will be good (in this case that would not have been a problem).

Dr. Francisco Carrillo at the San Jose Clinic is an excellent physician and, last night at least, he was assisted by some very skilled doctors. Let me point out that when the word went out that children were injured in an explosion on Sandy Beach, the police department completely shut down the roads from the Sonoran to the clinics to all but the ambulances so they could get those kids there as quickly and safely as possible. While I agree that the U.S. is better equipped to handle these things (unfortunately), I reiterate that lots of people did a fine job last night.

This wasn't the only emergency my office was involved in this weekend, although it was the only one involving injuries, thank God.

For future reference is there a number we can contact directly or is it better to contact an official that can make the call? If there is a number can you please post, I will most definitely put that one into the tellcel.

Mexico Joe said:

For future reference is there a number we can contact directly or is it better to contact an official that can make the call? If there is a number can you please post, I will most definitely put that one into the tellcel.

I don't have the number on hand but will post it tomorrow. If you get caught needing it, though, and don't have it handy, the clinics and hospital have the number. I'll get that up here for sure tomorrow.

[yes, I'm late to the party]

Let's not fight over who's right or wrong here for the hospital visit, we could battle that one for years and never be happy. This thread is about the kids that were injured and should stay that way.

I hope the kids have a speedy recovery and hopefully they learned their lesson ;-) I had a close experience with a firecracker in my eye once as a kid.

Are these the only places that dont take insurance? Or are we talking about a deductible?
My buddy told me about the red cross place dont know the name of it, bad news. He needed stitches and they tried using a rusty unsanitary needle, he told them to stop, said Ill find some where else, they did nothing for him and called the cops to make sure he paid before he leaves (shake down).
In the mean time his back of the leg is hanging half on, bleeding real bad. But the doctors or cops dont care, they want that U.S. green back.
Its just like when someone shop lifts the cost of merchandise goes up, every time an illegal immigrant goes to a U.S. hospital and gets treated and doesnt pay, who flips for that bill, the insurance company, than they charge us more for our policy.
Mexico has a good point, have a cop at every U.S. hospital if you cant pay you go to jail.

Az, the name of the "red cross" place is the Red Cross only in spanish Cruz Roja it is mostly volunteer, just like our Red Cross, I think your buddy is b,s,'n you. The 2 times I went to the Cruz Roja, once in San Felipe when I fell off the boulders that surround the marina, there was no charge but you can give a donation. The second time was in RP and again no charge only a donation if you want to. The doctors that I met there were from different parts of Mexico and also volunteers. Thats why when I see them in town collecting money I always donate something. If its like before they dont even have invoices and I just dont believe they would call the cops or use a rusty needles. (they may not even give injections)

The reason I say stay home then, is because of your fears. Ya' right, rusty needle, even tho' most everything they use is donated and needles are made of stainless.
Sorry for those kids but where was thwe adult supervision? These sound like really irresponsible people or maybe they were too busy doing tequila shots.

In the 20 years going down to RP I had to use the Cruz Roja/Red Cross twice, and in both instances there was no charges at all and as Lagrimas say they will take your donation instead, the first time they did remind me of the donation, 18 years ago, and the second time they did not even mention it however I did donate, that was about 10 years ago, in my travels I had the chance to use the Red Cross in a couple of countries (en Europa y Sudamerica) and they did not charged either, so if anybody tells you otherwise they are not telling you the truth!

Also 18 years ago Fabiolas son Ricardo got hurt screwing around down at the malecon and was held by the clinic for payment of about $1700.00 dllrs but he is a Mexican citizen so its not just americans. I had Jesus Canteneda, owner of the Bumaye night club pay the bill and he was released. I understand why they hold them, they would go broke because nobody would pay. How would you feel if somebody walked out of your business and you didn't get paid. Try walking out of any business without paying and the cops are going to get involved. Just because it is health care does'nt mean they get their rent, electricity,help, schooling,equipment and water for free.

So, the next time you are by the Cruz Roja drop off a donation we did, they even gave us a receipt.

Back in 94 I was hit by a stingRay, man that thing but the barb in so i hard i thought a shark was bitting my leg, I did not know what i was in for. After being shot
in the knee i thought i could put up with any pain but this was worse..went back to the playa in got my advil and bottle of pisto and nada my family put me in the
bronco and took me the red cross. Young guy came out in a butcher outfit and said soy medico y te voy a ayudar.vente amigo no tengas medio...So i went in and he
asked a few ?'s. Got out a seringe and bottle of something and started filling it half way asked me when it happened? told him about 3 hours ago and said oh no why
did u wait so long, and continued to fill the seringe full. Hit me where that Jodido had bit me and the pain started to go away, man i was relieved asked him what time
they close and he said i was good to go for a couple days said to go buy the strongest ecotine there was and i would be fine. I will always donate to them when i see them parked anywhere. Till u been there you should not give them a bad wrap...

Oh my gosh....I'm actually agreeing with playa.....

The only group that I always donate to when they have the collections on the roads/street. I've never had to use them...just a matter of luck me or my kids haven't been hit by stingrays over the years (even doing the shuffle), but it's good to know they are there.

As for clinics/doctors offices in the states....every one that I've been to in the last couple of years requires payment (either in full for the office visit or your insurance co-pay) BEFORE they see you. It's only Emergnecy Rooms of hospitals that take you no matter if you can pay or not....that's why the hospitals are going broke in some parts of the country!

Mexico Joe said:

For future reference is there a number we can contact directly or is it better to contact an official that can make the call? If there is a number can you please post, I will most definitely put that one into the tellcel.

U.S. Consulate contact information:
Phone (from U.S.): 011.52.631.311.8150
Emergencies: 011.521.631.318.0723

Vice Consul/Chief of American Citizen Services: Amon Johnson
Email: nogales [email protected]

tyler said:

[yes, I'm late to the party]

Let's not fight over who's right or wrong here for the hospital visit, we could battle that one for years and never be happy. This thread is about the kids that were injured and should stay that way.

I hope the kids have a speedy recovery and hopefully they learned their lesson ;-) I had a close experience with a firecracker in my eye once as a kid.

Got a message from one of the moms yesterday. Most of the kids have been released from the hospital and are recovering. The boy with the injured arm doesn't seem to be in danger of losing it.

azfish said:

Are these the only places that dont take insurance? Or are we talking about a deductible?
My buddy told me about the red cross place dont know the name of it, bad news. He needed stitches and they tried using a rusty unsanitary needle, he told them to stop, said Ill find some where else, they did nothing for him and called the cops to make sure he paid before he leaves (shake down).
In the mean time his back of the leg is hanging half on, bleeding real bad. But the doctors or cops dont care, they want that U.S. green back.
Its just like when someone shop lifts the cost of merchandise goes up, every time an illegal immigrant goes to a U.S. hospital and gets treated and doesnt pay, who flips for that bill, the insurance company, than they charge us more for our policy.
Mexico has a good point, have a cop at every U.S. hospital if you cant pay you go to jail.

Your Red Cross story is not true. As pointed out by others, they run on donations, and the needles are disposable, new each time. It amazes me how gullible some of you think the rest of us are.

As for the insurance question: Whenever you, as an American, are injured in a foreign country, be prepared to pay the medical costs out of pocket and then submit to your insurance carrier for reimbursement. In most foreign countries you won't find medical service providers who will submit to your U.S. insurance and wait for payment. I find it incredible that Americans would expect that as normal business practice. In Puerto Penasco, doctors and clinics don't even accept Mexican insurance, so locals must also submit to their carriers for reimbursement.

The story from MyFoxNews:

Vacationers in Mexico Hurt in Fireworks Explosion

Kids playing with fireworks get seriously injured

Updated: Monday, 14 Mar 2011, 6:20 PM MDT
Published : Monday, 14 Mar 2011, 6:20 PM MDT

ROCKY POINT, MEXICO - Parents are reminded to talk to their kids about explosives, after a spring break explosion in Rocky Point sends five valley teenagers to the hospital.
Those teenage boys were playing with fireworks when the explosion happened. Their injuries so bad they had to be flown back to Phoenix to be treated.
Authorities say the boys were setting off fireworks inside of a condo, which sparked a massive explosion.
That sent pieces of a granite countertop, glasses shards from the bay window, and scrap metal from the dishwasher flying through the air.
"We were on the back patio and we could see the smoke and stuff coming out of there," says Terry Woodward, who was staying at the same resort. He rushed over to help after hearing the explosion.
"Then some lady says 'my babies my babies!'... we just took off running."
The boys, ages 13 to 17, were staying with their parents at the Sonoran spa when it happened. They were rushed to Ajo and flown to Maricopa Medical for surgery.
We don't know their current conditions, but we do know one of them lost a finger. Doctors say they will recover from their injuries -- no doubt learning a tough lesson.

This article says more....

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdefrente.com.mx%2F2011%2F03%2Fexplota-en-sonora-spa-una-bolsa-de-cohetes-deja-7-heridos%2F&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

Say what you will about my buds story, I wasn't there, but why would his wife rush him back to the US to go to the hospital with the calf of his leg hanging off?
I know the damage that happened to him I seen that with my own eyes, and he has never lied to me either. So to each his own.
On another note, are the kids parents going to be charged for negligence?

azfish said:

wife rush him back to the US to go to the hospital with the calf of his leg hanging off?

Wow, border patrol must have really been shocked to see a calf hanging from someone's leg at the border. sure would be a change from their job of looking for fruits and vegetables being crossed into the states.

playaperro said:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdefrente.com.mx%2F2011%2F03%2Fexplota-en-sonora-spa-una-bolsa-de-cohetes-deja-7-heridos%2F&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

"all of them presented/displayed alcoholic breath".......teenagers drinking in Penasco? Say it ain't so!!!

LOL Joe.... I was one of them in my time. I had my first grasshopper in Hector;s at the Playa Hermosa hotel in 1973. I was 15........ Memories......

Hector allowed me to have Corona or a really llight rum and coke, never a Margarita - one time some guys were drinking Margarita's a LOT and just after they ordered their last round they all passed out so my aunt took the Margaritas as she didn't want them to go to waste and I had my first one. Hector was really mad at Aunt Betty as he thought Margaritas were way too strong. So I was sent back to my Coronas.

rockyptjoe said:

"all of them presented/displayed alcoholic breath".......teenagers drinking in Penasco? Say it ain't so!!!

Take it from me, those kids had not been drinking. A few of the parents had been, though. The Mexican media is as guilty as their American counterparts of over-dramatizing the stories. Some reports said they were lighting the fireworks in the condo...also untrue. They simply wanted to put the powder together to make a bigger bang and didn't realize that the mere friction would be enough to ignite the powder.