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Rocky Point History
Started by Ladyjeeper · Feb 8, 2011 · 31 replies
Here are some photos we scanned from a old copy of Arizona Highways Magazine from 1964.
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So cool. Playa. I will get my pics up soon.....
The only significant thing I can add would be the time in 1994 when I was leaving a party at Rigo E.'s house (owner of Los Pinos lumberyard) and crashed into Ramon Bustamontes police cruiser. He was the police chief then. I bet I'm the only gringo ever to get away with something like that. The good ole' day's.
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Playa, I ate a few times in the restauarnt La Caverna when I was little. It burned years ago and was never reopened. My uncle was commander of the port in the 60's and I spent alot time in Nogales.playaperro said:Here are some photos we scanned from a old copy of Arizona Highways Magazine from 1964.
Love the pictures. Also brought memories of eating at La Caverna when I was a kid. Bill was there as an adult but we never made it there together.
The first time I ever was down here was in 1948 (or maybe 1947) - we went out fishing. There had been a terrible storm and one of the shrimp boats had gone down. A fishing boat near us found one of the bodies so our captain headed back to port with them. When we reached port another body had washed up on the beach (Playa Hermosa? Sandy Beach?) and everyone was going there, including our Captain, who disappeared before my Dad could pay him. Being as small as it was everyone pretty well knew everyone in town or was related in some manner or other. We had to get back to Phoenix so Dad ended up paying the next time down (you did not drive the road to the border at night - too many chances of car problems, animals on the road and a bad road). I also remember that they were looking for a horse thief and it was like a hanging offence (a man supported his family with his horse).
The first time I ever was down here was in 1948 (or maybe 1947) - we went out fishing. There had been a terrible storm and one of the shrimp boats had gone down. A fishing boat near us found one of the bodies so our captain headed back to port with them. When we reached port another body had washed up on the beach (Playa Hermosa? Sandy Beach?) and everyone was going there, including our Captain, who disappeared before my Dad could pay him. Being as small as it was everyone pretty well knew everyone in town or was related in some manner or other. We had to get back to Phoenix so Dad ended up paying the next time down (you did not drive the road to the border at night - too many chances of car problems, animals on the road and a bad road). I also remember that they were looking for a horse thief and it was like a hanging offence (a man supported his family with his horse).
I also ate at La Caverna before it burned..... Long time ago........
I also remember the old road, narrow and bumpy. I used to drive down at night sometimes on that old road and once narrowly missed colliding with a cow. It was right in front of the alters. I still shudder at the memory.....
I also remember the old road, narrow and bumpy. I used to drive down at night sometimes on that old road and once narrowly missed colliding with a cow. It was right in front of the alters. I still shudder at the memory.....
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Ladyjeeper said:I also ate at La Caverna before it burned..... Long time ago........
Nogales Sonora is really pretty once you get out of the downtown district. In 2006 we stayed a couple of days with some friends in Villa Sonora a part of Nogales. I took my bass boat from there we went to Lake Novillo east of Hermosillo to fish for bass and then decided to take the historic Ruta Rio Sonora back to the states, we stopped in Aconchi and went into the catholic church, they still have the statue of Jesus placed there in the 1600's and he is a black man. If you are interested in Mexican history read about the Ruta Rio Sonora.
Another Spanish lesson Nogales are walnuts, nogal is one walnut. Around our little place in Cristopher Creek we have lots of Nogales. That place is near you Tomcat right below the Mogollon Rim.
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My geologist buddy is designing a gold mine east of Aconchi.He says it has cooled way down gangster wise...
lagrimas85 said:Nogales Sonora is really pretty once you get out of the downtown district. In 2006 we stayed a couple of days with some friends in Villa Sonora a part of Nogales. I took my bass boat from there we went to Lake Novillo east of Hermosillo to fish for bass and then decided to take the historic Ruta Rio Sonora back to the states, we stopped in Aconchi and went into the catholic church, they still have the statue of Jesus placed there in the 1600's and he is a black man. If you are interested in Mexican history read about the Ruta Rio Sonora.
On the old road - shortly after leaving Soyonita - there used to be a really bad curve with lots of crosses marking the spot. Since we started coming down again after a lot of years of not being here I can't find the spot - don't know if my mind is playing games or they improved the road and got rid of it.
Also, when did they do away with the old cemetery that was on the hill as you went into the Old Port? My mother always wanted to be buried there so she so watch all the comings and goings.
Also, when did they do away with the old cemetery that was on the hill as you went into the Old Port? My mother always wanted to be buried there so she so watch all the comings and goings.
Yeah, when they rebuilt the road about 10 years ago, they straightened it out. I had a close call on that curve once. Almost got took out by a Tecate semi..... He was taking his half out of the middle.
jerry said:My geologist buddy is designing a gold mine east of Aconchi.He says it has cooled way down gangster wise...
The towns, Arizpe and Naco were the 2 worst towns of the trip. I sensed if you went looking for trouble in those towns it wouldn't take long to find it. Even back then there was army everywhere around Aconchi.
El Gato said:Also, when did they do away with the old cemetery that was on the hill as you went into the Old Port? My mother always wanted to be buried there so she so watch all the comings and goings.
El Gato... I believe the old cemetary is still back there... it's just a little harder to find the road into it, since they have built that motel out in front of it... I used to ride my mountain bike back there and I was always fasinated by the old above ground graves... I'll have to go and check it out again...
That was a great read, thanks for the post. Its amazing that the peso was 12.5 to 1 in 1964, i don't know anything but doesn't that seem high for 1964 in relation with todays currency? Isn't it roughly 12/13 to 1 right now? Wouldn't 12:1 back in 64 be worth more then, than todays 12:1? Also, the article stated a population of approximately 7,000 people at the highest estimate, does anyone know what the app. population is now or the highest it has ever been?
Bill I also had a great time in Nogales.
I will always treasure the days of the La Caverna era, I remember one vendor that I met one day selling his sarapes and tequila. He invited us into his store and we gladly went in, offered us a free shot of tequila. His name was Micky and his tiendas name was Micky's. He was a very nice person to us. Well nogales turned into a sour town and everyone got up and left, now its run from Sinaloa. I also had a great time in Agua Prieta, going to The copa, Santa Fee , Pelicos, Silver Dollar, Chapos, Man that was the time of my life...
Yes Micky was the one and the same that lived here in Penasco RIP amigo..
PS Lj Where are you pic's and storys.
lagrimas85 said:Playa, I ate a few times in the restauarnt La Caverna when I was little. It burned years ago and was never reopened. My uncle was commander of the port in the 60's and I spent alot time in Nogales.
I will always treasure the days of the La Caverna era, I remember one vendor that I met one day selling his sarapes and tequila. He invited us into his store and we gladly went in, offered us a free shot of tequila. His name was Micky and his tiendas name was Micky's. He was a very nice person to us. Well nogales turned into a sour town and everyone got up and left, now its run from Sinaloa. I also had a great time in Agua Prieta, going to The copa, Santa Fee , Pelicos, Silver Dollar, Chapos, Man that was the time of my life...
Yes Micky was the one and the same that lived here in Penasco RIP amigo..
PS Lj Where are you pic's and storys.
I will put one up tonight. My pics are in boxes up high on some shelves in my spare bedroom and I can't stretch yet. Oh OWEEEEEEE if I stretch!!!!!
Loved La Caverna- and especially (I can't believe I'm saying this) the Turtle Soup. It was incredible, although I wouldn't eat it now. It's kind of amazing a cave could burn- until you saw the electrical wires running down the wall.
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La Caverna also had the bar to the side.
La Caverna also had the bar to the side.
playaperro said:I will always treasure the days of the La Caverna era, I remember one vendor that I met one day selling his sarapes and tequila. He invited us into his store and we gladly went in, offered us a free shot of tequila. His name was Micky and his tiendas name was Micky's. He was a very nice person to us. Well nogales turned into a sour town and everyone got up and left, now its run from Sinaloa. I also had a great time in Agua Prieta, going to The copa, Santa Fee , Pelicos, Silver Dollar, Chapos, Man that was the time of my life...
Last time I was in Agua Prieta, we ate at La Reforma Restaurant Nov. 2007 the next morning the owner was shot 4 or 5 times with an Ak near the entrance. Scared the hell out of me. He also owned the pro baseball team in AP.
Pues si Bill, I heard he was also into boxing and was good for the pueblo, for a while there no one would go to a taco stand or anywhere in public to eat. I also ate
at the reforma. looks like only the cremosos would only dine there. I really liked the place. The reforma is now a casino, its all on the computer format, they keep track
of every penny, who played what when. You have to sign in with a card you buy for 3 bucks and they start you off with 5 buck credit, you can only play with the
card.
at the reforma. looks like only the cremosos would only dine there. I really liked the place. The reforma is now a casino, its all on the computer format, they keep track
of every penny, who played what when. You have to sign in with a card you buy for 3 bucks and they start you off with 5 buck credit, you can only play with the
card.
Time sure flies by. From 1979 to 1993 the Mexican Peso ranged from 17 to one dollar to as high as 3200 to the dollar, in 1982 Mexico defaulted on it's foreign loans, so inflation soared and the pesos value sank.
I went to RP for the 1st time in 1983 and kept about $100 in pesos to use the next time, A year later, they were then worth about $60, Wow! There have been periods were the peso would plummet by 10-20% in a week.
In 1993 Mexico got it's financial house in order so a New Peso was issued where they took the last 2 zeros off from the old pesos 3120 to 1, became 3.12 to the dollar.
Life became good again for the people with a stable peso. Along comes 1994 with the PRI party trying to stay in power, So President Salinas has the treasury buy Pesos to keep it stable.
In comes newly elected Pres. Zidello who finds out that the Mexican treasury is almost broke from the previous regimes Peso buying binge. A few weeks later the peso goes to 4-1, the locals were livid.
That is why the dollar is king. That old 12.5 to 1 peso from 1964 is really a 11,200 to 1 Peso. Recounting History is longwinded, Sorry.
I went to RP for the 1st time in 1983 and kept about $100 in pesos to use the next time, A year later, they were then worth about $60, Wow! There have been periods were the peso would plummet by 10-20% in a week.
In 1993 Mexico got it's financial house in order so a New Peso was issued where they took the last 2 zeros off from the old pesos 3120 to 1, became 3.12 to the dollar.
Life became good again for the people with a stable peso. Along comes 1994 with the PRI party trying to stay in power, So President Salinas has the treasury buy Pesos to keep it stable.
In comes newly elected Pres. Zidello who finds out that the Mexican treasury is almost broke from the previous regimes Peso buying binge. A few weeks later the peso goes to 4-1, the locals were livid.
That is why the dollar is king. That old 12.5 to 1 peso from 1964 is really a 11,200 to 1 Peso. Recounting History is longwinded, Sorry.
playaperro said:I will always treasure the days of the La Caverna era, I remember one vendor that I met one day selling his sarapes and tequila. He invited us into his store and we gladly went in, offered us a free shot of tequila. His name was Micky and his tiendas name was Micky's. He was a very nice person to us. Well nogales turned into a sour town and everyone got up and left, now its run from Sinaloa. I also had a great time in Agua Prieta, going to The copa, Santa Fee , Pelicos, Silver Dollar, Chapos, Man that was the time of my life...
Yes Micky was the one and the same that lived here in Penasco RIP amigo..
I know! I used to make trips down to Nogales SPECIFICALLY to visit Mickey's shop and have a shot of that amazing tequila from the back room, stored in a random glass bottle. My friends would think I was crazy, "You're going to go blind!" "Who knows what's in there???" Yes, RIP, Mickey.
La Caverna/ Cavern Cafe 1930s
Hello. I came across this thread when I was researching The Cavern Cafe. My grandmother, Lucia (or Lucille) danced there from 1937 to 1940 off and on through the seasons. I have several newspaper clippings from her dancing scrapbook from the Nogales Herald. Also, she danced at the Cavern Gardens. The only images I have of that place are the interior postcards from the 30s and perhaps photos of the inside (but I have so many of her dancing days, I can't really tell one venue in the background from another). I wish I knew more about this place and had an image of the outside. I understand there was a fire and it hasn't opened since. Does anyone know any stories from that time period? My grandmother passed away when I was 5 so I am attempting to know her through her scrapbook and photos! I also have an autograph book she had all of the employees, band, dancers, etc, sign on her last day there so there are a ton of names and messages if anyone has relatives from that period. Any help would be wonderful! Thanks so much.
Hello. I came across this thread when I was researching The Cavern Cafe. My grandmother, Lucia (or Lucille) danced there from 1937 to 1940 off and on through the seasons. I have several newspaper clippings from her dancing scrapbook from the Nogales Herald. Also, she danced at the Cavern Gardens. The only images I have of that place are the interior postcards from the 30s and perhaps photos of the inside (but I have so many of her dancing days, I can't really tell one venue in the background from another). I wish I knew more about this place and had an image of the outside. I understand there was a fire and it hasn't opened since. Does anyone know any stories from that time period? My grandmother passed away when I was 5 so I am attempting to know her through her scrapbook and photos! I also have an autograph book she had all of the employees, band, dancers, etc, sign on her last day there so there are a ton of names and messages if anyone has relatives from that period. Any help would be wonderful! Thanks so much.
I know the place lagrimas85 ! just west on 260 from my place here.
lagrimas85 said:Another Spanish lesson Nogales are walnuts, nogal is one walnut. Around our little place in Cristopher Creek we have lots of Nogales. That place is near you Tomcat right below the Mogollon Rim.
Tomcat said:I know the place lagrimas85 ! just west on 260 from my place here.
Maybe 30 minutes west, I was in Heber a few weeks ago,the day you guys had a small forest fire break out.
Inside La Caverna
Not sure Roy Manley pix.
Not sure Roy Manley pix.
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lagrimas85 said:Maybe 30 minutes west, I was in Heber a few weeks ago,the day you guys had a small forest fire break out.
That was a interesting day. A guy towing a fifthwheel RV didnt realize on of his tires shredded and caught on fire just a few miles north of Heber on the road to Holbrook. Sparks a chunks of burning tire were starting small fires for several miles before a car pulled the guy over and asked what the hell are you doing ???
The RV guy said ooops I didnt notice the smoke and flames behind him !!!! Well we all soon found out there are few or no back up generators in this town. For safety the power company cut all electricity in the whole area. No gas etc. There a lot of houses on wells up here but with no electricity to run the pumps your screwed !
One interesting thing happened was the heber IGA store decided to give away all there meat and produce as they had no refer working. I stocked up a shopping cart with t-bones tenderlions and lots of cheese's etc.
That little fire grew to about a 1,000 acres in 12 hours. We are all pretty happy where getting some moonson rains now :-)
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I have to go and look at this collection sometime
I have to go and look at this collection sometime
Jerry, which library is this in? ASU'S? or the Phoenix main library, (Burton Barr)?
brokenwave said:Time sure flies by. From 1979 to 1993 the Mexican Peso ranged from 17 to one dollar to as high as 3200 to the dollar, in 1982 Mexico defaulted on it's foreign loans, so inflation soared and the pesos value sank.
I went to RP for the 1st time in 1983 and kept about $100 in pesos to use the next time, A year later, they were then worth about $60, Wow! There have been periods were the peso would plummet by 10-20% in a week.
In 1993 Mexico got it's financial house in order so a New Peso was issued where they took the last 2 zeros off from the old pesos 3120 to 1, became 3.12 to the dollar.
Life became good again for the people with a stable peso. Along comes 1994 with the PRI party trying to stay in power, So President Salinas has the treasury buy Pesos to keep it stable.
In comes newly elected Pres. Zidello who finds out that the Mexican treasury is almost broke from the previous regimes Peso buying binge. A few weeks later the peso goes to 4-1, the locals were livid.
That is why the dollar is king. That old 12.5 to 1 peso from 1964 is really a 11,200 to 1 Peso. Recounting History is longwinded, Sorry.
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