Here is a deeper thought for you... Why would the current operator be so willing to do what owners want, when they are in the process of being replaced? Also, if I had it my way the operator would force all owners to upgrade their units to 4 diamond standards (ex. flat screen tv's, no cheap blinds, no cheap furniture). Hopefully the next operator will do something about that, unfortunately my owner powers can't get this operator to do this and remove all the units in the rental pool that are not up to par.
The rental operator can do as they please, if they say that owners supported their decision or advised with them... so be it. The enforcer and decision maker is still the rental operator, not an owner or group of owners (might sound powerful for an owner to claim otherwise, however not one or 3 people are going to make a difference to the operator). now if that 3 people turned into 400, then it would make a difference.
Here I will twist words for ya to sound like we are one "curiousgeorge and I agree that improvements need to be made with the resort". True statement huh?
No my little bumble bee, you don't know. The TC is comprised of more owners from phase 1. keep reaching
Why don't you use your position of great power to communicate the need for the resort to answer the reservation line? A 4 diamond resort would.
I would look at it more as "stop the bleeding" 1st. the renting of units outside of the rental operator has been a problem at Las Palomas for 4 years (1st the rental operator did not enforce, then they had financial problems). Since the resort is in a state of transition, it appears that certain actions are needed immediately in order to fix a huge problem 1st (Las Palomas get's plenty of complaints from other resorts and other operators for not enforcing their rental regulations- the problem has affected other resorts too). Drastic measure are sometimes needed in the interim in order to clean things up and improve moving forward. Hopefully a lot of these measure will be adjusted once the main problem has been resolved. No rental operator is going to take over the business at Las Palomas with the current situation (many have been interviewed- those in penasco and those that are international operations). I do like the idea of posting sub-par units and having a rating system for quality of individual units (something that a new operator would have to put in place.
Nice of you to be so concerned about how the other resorts are feeling. Truly misguided.I'm sure they are getting their share of business from people that passed on Las Palomas because of their 1 diamond approach to customer service. They are directing all their energy stealing and fighting with the people that invested with them when they really need to refocus on the core business.
Dry Heave; so based on posts from my 1st 3-days on this thing; sounds like SC can mandate alot of nasty shit. Just get rid of this 6-day limit 7 leave good people like me alone. Another example of stupid limits is: My Wife & I are DONATING a week @ LP @ wonderful Silent Auction next weekend at a Valley fundraiser next weekend, What r we to do stupid Squirrel & Dictators/WWG??? You are very selfserving.
Why don't you use your position of great power to communicate the need for the resort to answer the reservation line? A 4 diamond resort would.
Best way to approach an issue is to bring up your concern to the rental operator regarding your dissatisfaction of the reservation line, don't rely on others to complain for you.
Hopefully the next operator will be able to meet your expectations. You should be excited about the changes!
Nice of you to be so concerned about how the other resorts are feeling. Truly misguided.I'm sure they are getting their share of business from people that passed on Las Palomas because of their 1 diamond approach to customer service. They are directing all their energy stealing and fighting with the people that invested with them when they really need to refocus on the core business.
Not so much of a concern, more of a point about how bad the wildcat renting problem is at Las Palomas that other resorts have taken note and complained that the resort is not enforcing rental regulations. Amazing how concerned you are about sharing your dissatisfaction regarding Las Palomas on a public site- smart business for someone that owns at the resort. Part of their core business is taking care of the problem of having a vast amount of owners renting outside of the rental operator, once that problem is under control, I am sure we will see adjustments (of course those that rent on their own will be negatively impacted by the enforcement and clean up the resort has to do in order to get the problem under control).
Dry Heave; so based on posts from my 1st 3-days on this thing; sounds like SC can mandate alot of nasty shit. Just get rid of this 6-day limit 7 leave good people like me alone. Another example of stupid limits is: My Wife & I are DONATING a week @ LP @ wonderful Silent Auction next weekend at a Valley fundraiser next weekend, What r we to do stupid Squirrel & Dictators/WWG??? You are very selfserving.
Let's see 1st it was your "poor father" staying for a week, then your wife and you are "donating a week for a fundraiser". next you will say that you need a week for the homeless shelter you volunteer at. why do I have a feeling that you may have reasons ($$$) for not wanting a limit on guest of owners? Just seems strange that you say you are "good people" and the various examples of less needy people that require the use of your condo. Unfortunately owners who rent on their own are going to see drastic changes that will eliminate their ability to rent outside of the rental operator, may be time to sell if you fall under this category Howard T.
baaaa baaaaaaaaa:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah: baaa baaa baaa hey dry heave your girlfriends are calling you :blah::blah::blah::moon: baaa baaa baaa ! what address should i forward all your mail too ?
dry heat said:
Let's see 1st it was your "poor father" staying for a week, then your wife and you are "donating a week for a fundraiser". next you will say that you need a week for the homeless shelter you volunteer at. why do I have a feeling that you may have reasons ($$$) for not wanting a limit on guest of owners? Just seems strange that you say you are "good people" and the various examples of less needy people that require the use of your condo. Unfortunately owners who rent on their own are going to see drastic changes that will eliminate their ability to rent outside of the rental operator, may be time to sell if you fall under this category Howard T.
Someday we will meet HEAVE & you will see how wrong u r to rush to such judgement of others. Also i have good documentation to back up everything i have said. U r right my dad was a bad example but I cant believe what an ----- u seem to be. I was so impressed by the meeting but u seem to be such an arrogant human being. R u an car saleman or Insurance salesman who does not want to listen to good folks who have & still are playing by WWG rules. My statements back up what Im sayin......what about u Richdick
Just a gentle reminder, I have a really lovely Hacienda for sale in the Mirador, 2 blocks to the sea. Six total bedrooms, 4 total baths, in main hacienda and two apartments. Gated and walled 875M2 lot with 20+ Palms, bougainvilla, cacti, succulents, fountain, gazebo. You can live in it or rent it out totally at your whim. Total monthly expenses are much less that HOA fees. No HOA, Secret Squirrels, or management company to deal with. Relax and enjoy.
Secret Squirrels & WWG are the main problem, really dont mind HOA Fees if they are appropriately applied & if TC & SC dont flipflop like congress. Ur place sounds nice Roberto.
Someday we will meet HEAVE & you will see how wrong u r to rush to such judgement of others. Also i have good documentation to back up everything i have said. U r right my dad was a bad example but I cant believe what an ----- u seem to be. I was so impressed by the meeting but u seem to be such an arrogant human being. R u an car saleman or Insurance salesman who does not want to listen to good folks who have & still are playing by WWG rules. My statements back up what Im sayin......what about u Richdick
I hate it when the used car salesman and the insurance salesman don't want to listed to good folks.
Tom, I still need you to arrange a "special massage tour" of those Filipino parlors. Does your "personal-tours" make a stop at these locations? Do I have to buy a wife, I mean find a wife in the Philippines or can I just join the tour to get a full release massage?
Tomcat said:
baaaa baaaaaaaaa:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah: baaa baaa baaa hey dry heave your girlfriends are calling you :blah::blah::blah::moon: baaa baaa baaa ! what address should i forward all your mail too ?
We reserve the right to deny service to anyone and your a perfect example of why that rule was written.
dry heat said:
Tom, I still need you to arrange a "special massage tour" of those Filipino parlors. Does your "personal-tours" make a stop at these locations? Do I have to buy a wife, I mean find a wife in the Philippines or can I just join the tour to get a full release massage?
Sorry HEAT; Now I will retract the My Dad example (Dad has a lanyard) & the saleman examples (cause Im one too) but your people skills really are lacking....mainly u might want to try listening to folks issues and problems w/ WWG and SC dictatorship rulings. We all have bills to pay. BTW: just got most recent LPPMC statement I am down under 9K owed since I am still refering people for PAYING GUEST RES!!! Ur 6 DAY mandate still has not been addressed. U will have to give me condo # or office address so we can provide u details for the Charity event so u can bid on my condo Heave!!!
Yes Dry Heave can you provide your phone # and address to all of us so we can talk in person and stop using up all this space on a open forum.... Face to face is a much better way to communicate don't you think ? :-)
Dr Howard said:
Sorry HEAT; Now I will retract the My Dad example (Dad has a lanyard) & the saleman examples (cause Im one too) but your people skills really are lacking....mainly u might want to try listening to folks issues and problems w/ WWG and SC dictatorship rulings. We all have bills to pay. BTW: just got most recent LPPMC statement I am down under 9K owed since I am still refering people for PAYING GUEST RES!!! Ur 6 DAY mandate still has not been addressed. U will have to give me condo # or office address so we can provide u details for the Charity event so u can bid on my condo Heave!!!
Sorry HEAT; Now I will retract the My Dad example (Dad has a lanyard) & the saleman examples (cause Im one too) but your people skills really are lacking....mainly u might want to try listening to folks issues and problems w/ WWG and SC dictatorship rulings. We all have bills to pay. BTW: just got most recent LPPMC statement I am down under 9K owed since I am still refering people for PAYING GUEST RES!!! Ur 6 DAY mandate still has not been addressed. U will have to give me condo # or office address so we can provide u details for the Charity event so u can bid on my condo Heave!!!
I am sure if you provide the details regarding the charity event, the rental operator will make an exception for you. Isn't that nice, owners working together to find solutions. I would make sure though to space out your "dad" reservations and "charity" reservations so that it does not bring up any red flags. Post the charity event on here, I am sure everyone would love to bid on a good cause!
Yes Dry Heave can you provide your phone # and address to all of us so we can talk in person and stop using up all this space on a open forum.... Face to face is a much better way to communicate don't you think ? :-)
Definately. An owner at the resort has the contact info for the rental operator, HOA, TC and SC. Please contact any of these parties directly for any questions or concerns you have. Great idea!
Thanks, BUT your so much more intelligent and so much more informed on all the issues that I am sure most of us would much rather meet with you in person. That is if you will grace us with your presence and valuable time Sir !!!!!
dry heat said:
Definately. An owner at the resort has the contact info for the rental operator, HOA, TC and SC. Please contact any of these parties directly for any questions or concerns you have. Great idea!
As stated above you don't qualify for our minimum standards for personal conduct ! Please ask any taxi driver for the services your seeking.
Ok, how long do I have to court the Filipina before I get to bring her over to the states and marry her? do you have a guarantee that I will find a filipino wife in your tour? Do they speak english or is that not necessary to finding a wife in the Philippines? Do I have to pay her or her family anthing or just the tour operator? Is it possible to see pictures of the women who want a foreign husband (maybe bikini shots?)?
Do to your past involvement with sheep sir its not possible to provide any services to you... I am sure you understand we have to be careful and keep our client level of a high moral standard Sir... Maybe you would be interested in the hundreds of other dating services that are available online ? 70% of todays dating is through online services. They range from your home city to state or USA and everywhere else in the world. Just don't tell them about your sheep when you sign up OK LOL
dry heat said:
Ok, how long do I have to court the Filipina before I get to bring her over to the states and marry her? do you have a guarantee that I will find a filipino wife in your tour? Do they speak english or is that not necessary to finding a wife in the Philippines? Do I have to pay her or her family anthing or just the tour operator? Is it possible to see pictures of the women who want a foreign husband (maybe bikini shots?)?
Thanks, BUT your so much more intelligent and so much more informed on all the issues that I am sure most of us would much rather meet with you in person. That is if you will grace us with your presence and valuable time Sir !!!!!
Why? if anything you and others have said how incompetent I am, that is why I think it would be better for you to bring up your concerns with others who are more competent (or in your mind maybe a group of incompetent owners will equal 1 competent owner). If you can find me a filipina wife or a couple of prospects on your tour and bring them back- I'll meet (do I get a discount if they don't need to speak english?).
Absolutely right Tom, I did have a problem. That is why I am in need of your tour services in finding a couple of filipina wives (does your service have a limit). Can I return a filipina wife within 30 days for a replacement? I need to improve my standards and move up to mail order brides. I think your filipina wife tour service is a great service for those that want to skip the formalities such as talking and asking questions about interests and family (ugh, what a waste of time). You sir, have it right- no B.S. just get yourself a Filipina wife on our tour. The online dating services still require both to have mutual interests, talk, meet family, etc. That is way to much effort, I prefer your tour plan of BAM! get yourself married to a Filipina on our tour. Much easier for the consumer (especially the fat, perverted, no social skills american man that can't find himself a woman in the states. However in these tours I bet he is a king). Awesome plan.
Tomcat said:
Do to your past involvement with sheep sir its not possible to provide any services to you... I am sure you understand we have to be careful and keep our client level of a high moral standard Sir... Maybe you would be interested in the hundreds of other dating services that are available online ? 70% of todays dating is through online services. They range from your home city to state or USA and everywhere else in the world. Just don't tell them about your sheep when you sign up OK LOL
Once again you speak out of total ignorance.... I am sure your statements apply to any other and all races of people that you don't belong too. I can't imagine how you treat and talk about the spanish latino people ? You know what I don't even feel comfortable continuing to speak with a person such as yourself... I hereby refuse to have anything to do with a racist bigot bye bye..... sorry folks I can not continue with this ugly racist talk of human beings..........
dry heat said:
Absolutely right Tom, I did have a problem. That is why I am in need of your tour services in finding a couple of filipina wives (does your service have a limit). Can I return a filipina wife within 30 days for a replacement? I need to improve my standards and move up to mail order brides. I think your filipina wife tour service is a great service for those that want to skip the formalities such as talking and asking questions about interests and family (ugh, what a waste of time). You sir, have it right- no B.S. just get yourself a Filipina wife on our tour. The online dating services still require both to have mutual interests, talk, meet family, etc. That is way to much effort, I prefer your tour plan of BAM! get yourself married to a Filipina on our tour. Much easier for the consumer (especially the fat, perverted, no social skills american man that can't find himself a woman in the states. However in these tours I bet he is a king). Awesome plan.
Once again you speak out of total ignorance.... I am sure your statements apply to any other and all races of people that you don't belong too. I can't imagine how you treat and talk about the spanish latino people ? You know what I don't even feel comfortable continuing to speak with a person such as yourself... I hereby refuse to have anything to do with a racist bigot bye bye..... sorry folks I can not continue with this ugly racist talk of human beings..........
Racist? I wanted to find out about your- find a Filipina wife tour in the Philippines. I did not know your service was 'pro-bono' and out of the goodness of your heart. I'm sorry I thought you charged people to give them a tour of the Philippines so they could find a wife there. Good thing you do it out of kindness since other tour operators see it as an opportunity to exploit women who want out by marrying a foreigner (and thus post pictures of such women in bikini's so that they could be viewed for their inner qualities). I'm glad you don't have such a toursite with such pictures (right?)
This is what made me love your tour operation (referenced here under "fair use" principles):
It doesn't matter your age or looks. It doesn't matter if you haven't had a date in 10 years. There will be many beautiful young ladies there waiting to meet and be with you. This is Asia and the rules are not the same there. Its very common for a 20 something babe to be with a 40-50-60 year old western man. This is a tried and true method for a great vacation with amazing results !!!! Go ahead and have a look at a real list I made for a 2 months stay in Cebu. I have met and spent some quality time with a dozen ladies on this list and you can do the same thing.
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Of course none of this is racist. I can only imagine how you treat certain people.
Stay strong my friend.
What the hell is wrong with you heat? Were you abandoned as a baby and left to fend for yourself, or was there some other childhood trauma that left you so lacking in any kind of normal social interaction?
What the hell is wrong with you heat? Were you abandoned as a baby and left to fend for yourself, or was there some other childhood trauma that left you so lacking in any kind of normal social interaction?
It's my community college employee friend who also oversees millions in property. How are you kenny? Did you get those teeth whitened? Please be more specific, would it help if I said yes to all of the above.
I'm sorry, I did not know you had used tom's filipina service before (I assume since you jumped in out of nowhere). In any case, good to have you back.
Why do rich guys buy into these quasi-socialist buildings anyways? Shared services and sitting next to the lower classes at the pool seem to be less suitable that the "man and his castle" traditional beach house development.I'm not just yelling at clouds here i really can't see the upsides in owning one of these things for the typical vapid dentist,insurance agency owner or chiropracter....wait a minute maybe it's just all about networking...hmmmm
My gosh....this thread has gotten nastier, with below the belt shots, than some of the political ones....sounds like dry heave needs to spend some time in one of his investments in RP....and chill...............
Had a few good laughs from this thread, but mostly it's useless argueing. I don't think Dryheat is who he says he is. Who, as rich and powerful as he implies he is, would have so much time and interest to post over and over and to be so aggressive and insulting. People who have real wealth, power and influence don't have to play stupid games annoyomously on the net. They don't have to ridicule and beat people up verbally. They get enough satisfaction from their real life not a virtual existence. He's obviously an intelligent person, perhaps well educated. Great language skills. He's having a HAPPPY like ball, baiting people. I think maybe you are all doing him/her a big favor with all the attention. It's a toss up whether it's actually a man or a woman though when you pay attention to his use of words.
Just like HAPPY, if you ignore him, he will go away, think he/she loves the attention, which suggests an isolated and lonely person. That he uses a forum such as this for social contact also suggests he has poorly developed social skill and perhaps inadequate interaction with real live people. He/she may even be disabled in some significant way, preventing him/her from obtaining usual normal social contact and support. He/she seems to have a lot of unstructured time in his/her life, again not a usual circumstance for a successful, wealthy person with a typical social life.
Had a few good laughs from this thread, but mostly it's useless argueing. I don't think Dryheat is who he says he is. Who, as rich and powerful as he implies he is, would have so much time and interest to post over and over and to be so aggressive and insulting. People who have real wealth, power and influence don't have to play stupid games annoyomously on the net. They don't have to ridicule and beat people up verbally. They get enough satisfaction from their real life not a virtual existence. He's obviously an intelligent person, perhaps well educated. Great language skills. He's having a HAPPPY like ball, baiting people. I think maybe you are all doing him/her a big favor with all the attention. It's a toss up whether it's actually a man or a woman though when you pay attention to his use of words.
Just like HAPPY, if you ignore him, he will go away, think he/she loves the attention, which suggests an isolated and lonely person. That he uses a forum such as this for social contact also suggests he has poorly developed social skill and perhaps inadequate interaction with real live people. He/she may even be disabled in some significant way, preventing him/her from obtaining usual normal social contact and support. He/she seems to have a lot of unstructured time in his/her life, again not a usual circumstance for a successful, wealthy person with a typical social life.
Ya, know, we'll never know !!
I really don't have anything to add to your insight Roberto since I'm a social misfit myself :D... I just wanted to see it in quotes.:gradea:
I don't think I ever said I was wealthy. For some- wealthy is having everything paid off, to someone else it may be having over 1m in liquid assets and then to someone else it could be having 10m in assets. However I disagree with you that "rich and powerful" don't have time to post over and over again (I hate to use mark cuban as an example). Do I really sound like a woman in my posts? will work on it and thanks for the constructive criticism.
I would love nothing else than to say who I am. Unfortunately since I am loved so much I don't see positives outweighing the negatives. Like I said before I have other project I am involved in both in penasco and in the states. with the internet I don't want 500 of my dear friends bashing my ventures online because they don't like me or because they blame me for their problems. Last thing I need is references to secret squirels or sparrows on project I have a financial stake in.
Roberto, you win for the most creative post. It was by far the best one I have heard on here! Since I am online too often (phone, tablet, etc), it is too easy for me to respond. I will be back to traveling often in another 3 weeks. so till then I will do my best to stay in touch.
Again Roberto, awesome post!
Roberto said:
Had a few good laughs from this thread, but mostly it's useless argueing. I don't think Dryheat is who he says he is. Who, as rich and powerful as he implies he is, would have so much time and interest to post over and over and to be so aggressive and insulting. People who have real wealth, power and influence don't have to play stupid games annoyomously on the net. They don't have to ridicule and beat people up verbally. They get enough satisfaction from their real life not a virtual existence. He's obviously an intelligent person, perhaps well educated. Great language skills. He's having a HAPPPY like ball, baiting people. I think maybe you are all doing him/her a big favor with all the attention. It's a toss up whether it's actually a man or a woman though when you pay attention to his use of words.
Just like HAPPY, if you ignore him, he will go away, think he/she loves the attention, which suggests an isolated and lonely person. That he uses a forum such as this for social contact also suggests he has poorly developed social skill and perhaps inadequate interaction with real live people. He/she may even be disabled in some significant way, preventing him/her from obtaining usual normal social contact and support. He/she seems to have a lot of unstructured time in his/her life, again not a usual circumstance for a successful, wealthy person with a typical social life.
Hmmm....he or she is from Vegas.....on an Olympic sport committee which makes me think he or she is a 'Nudes on Ice" producer and an Olympic Ice dancing instructor....good jobs both if you can get them...The Dubai this is a bit of a puzzle...maybe I'm wrong and a English school administrator is more like it...
Hmmm....he or she is from Vegas.....on an Olympic sport committee which makes me think he or she is a 'Nudes on Ice" producer and an Olympic Ice dancing instructor....good jobs both if you can get them...The Dubai this is a bit of a puzzle...maybe I'm wrong and a English school administrator is more like it...
Hmmm....he or she is from Vegas.....on an Olympic sport committee which makes me think he or she is a 'Nudes on Ice" producer and an Olympic Ice dancing instructor....good jobs both if you can get them...The Dubai this is a bit of a puzzle...maybe I'm wrong and a English school administrator is more like it...
good research, impressed....
1. I like the olympic dancing instructor comment- that was funny. Any involvement would not be directly affiliated with a sporting events organization.
2. Dubai, somewhat of a sore subject today. I had moved on some property at the right time, however held on to 1 property that I should have sold (occupancy levels clouded my judgement at the time).
3. I could never qualify to be an English school administrator- can't spell and grammar is horrible. Thus the reason why I need help from others to proof my correspondence. Unfortunately I am too embarrased to have anyone proof my posts on this site.
This is a little off the topic, but this thread seems the best place to air what I was told last week by an owner at Las Palomas. I was surprised that the situation regarding LP's 'check-ins' had degraded to this point. I hope this was an isolated incident. I have two friends that are going to enjoy our condo (I hope) free of charge shortly, and I wouldn't want this to happen to them.
I was talking to an owner at LP while watching basketball at a local bar, and they told me that they had family friends use their condo. The family friends went to the Front Desk to get their wristbands, account set up, etc., then were pulled aside into another, separate room and questioned about a number of things. They were asked how well they knew the owners, if they had paid them money to stay in the condo, how they obtained information about the condo, and if they found out about the condo through the Internet (vrbo, craigslist), etc.
The friends that used the condo answered everything fine and were 'released'. According to the owner, they had a great time, but let the owner know that they were asked these questions. The owner had just found out about the interrogation, but it was the weekend, so they couldn't go to their HOA until the following Monday to find out why their friends were asked these questions. I don't know what explanation LP could give about this situation.
What I'd like to know is, has this happened to anyone else checking in at LP?
We just got a letter from the Sonoran Spa stating that all guest of owners need to check in at the HOA office in order to get the keys....:rofl: I think all of my guest will just get the keys from me here in Phoenix...
This is a little off the topic, but this thread seems the best place to air what I was told last week by an owner at Las Palomas. I was surprised that the situation regarding LP's 'check-ins' had degraded to this point. I hope this was an isolated incident. I have two friends that are going to enjoy our condo (I hope) free of charge shortly, and I wouldn't want this to happen to them.
I was talking to an owner at LP while watching basketball at a local bar, and they told me that they had family friends use their condo. The family friends went to the Front Desk to get their wristbands, account set up, etc., then were pulled aside into another, separate room and questioned about a number of things. They were asked how well they knew the owners, if they had paid them money to stay in the condo, how they obtained information about the condo, and if they found out about the condo through the Internet (vrbo, craigslist), etc.
The friends that used the condo answered everything fine and were 'released'. According to the owner, they had a great time, but let the owner know that they were asked these questions. The owner had just found out about the interrogation, but it was the weekend, so they couldn't go to their HOA until the following Monday to find out why their friends were asked these questions. I don't know what explanation LP could give about this situation.
What I'd like to know is, has this happened to anyone else checking in at LP?
This is just another example of how a few people who do not want to follow the renting rules of the majority places additional scrutiny on those that do follow the rules. I believe that everyone should check in including owners and if they are a “non paying guest of the owner” they should sign a paper attesting that they have not paid anyone for their stay. I just wonder how many renters that paid the owner would be surprised that they were involved in cheating. Cheating owners cheat the management company, they cheat the HOA (every owner) out of impact fees, they cheat the government both Mexican and American out of taxes and because they cheat they can offer discounts that make it difficult for honorable owners to compete with. Owners and renters who lie and cheat the system hurt all of us. If anyone has a better idea of how to verify that “non paying guest” are really non paying without making everyone check in please speak up. Remember it’s the cheats that have made this process more difficult for all of us. Just the opinion of a Sonoran Sea owner.
Dan you are so busy calling touch fouls that you miss the bigger point.More people come to town,,,have fun...they then come back bringing extra people with them.Maybe next time rent a nicer place and spend more money. The best way to deal with this is look the other way unless it's blatant.The constant rental of the units that are angering you will soon degrade them to the point no one will want to rent them.
My reply was not anger I was just explaining why the additional scrutiny that we all have to go through are because of cheats. I’m sorry but looking the “other way” or cheating has never been in my character and I believe that would apply to most people. How does one decide which rules or things to look the other way on? Times are tough, rentals are bad and cash flow sucks so how does looking the other way benefit anyone besides the cheats. How many renters of cheats have there been that had a problem with the unit and was stuck? How about the renters that gets a unit that the cheating owners do not take care of? What will they say to friends and family about RP then? The management companies for better or worse are our partners, and we need them. If they cannot make a profit then they will not be our partner long and how will we ever find another one when we have nothing to offer them because we (the owners) chose to look the other way. We have impact fees that all renters pay per night to help pay for the additional wear and tear on our complex. Losing those fees means that all owners (renting or not) must pay more for HOA fees. If there are rules that I don’t agree with I chose to work with other owners that have the same interest and make changes. If I’m stuck and don’t like the rules then I sell and buy where I can abide by the rules.
Maybe if you guys started your own rental company and kicked out the crooks that seem to be stealing money from your fellow owners (looking the other way on this one Dan?) things might work out better.Charge 25% instead of 40 and nickel and dime the renters to get the difference.
az-dan said:
My reply was not anger I was just explaining why the additional scrutiny that we all have to go through are because of cheats. I’m sorry but looking the “other way” or cheating has never been in my character and I believe that would apply to most people. How does one decide which rules or things to look the other way on? Times are tough, rentals are bad and cash flow sucks so how does looking the other way benefit anyone besides the cheats. How many renters of cheats have there been that had a problem with the unit and was stuck? How about the renters that gets a unit that the cheating owners do not take care of? What will they say to friends and family about RP then? The management companies for better or worse are our partners, and we need them. If they cannot make a profit then they will not be our partner long and how will we ever find another one when we have nothing to offer them because we (the owners) chose to look the other way. We have impact fees that all renters pay per night to help pay for the additional wear and tear on our complex. Losing those fees means that all owners (renting or not) must pay more for HOA fees. If there are rules that I don’t agree with I chose to work with other owners that have the same interest and make changes. If I’m stuck and don’t like the rules then I sell and buy where I can abide by the rules.
I’m sorry but looking the “other way” or cheating has never been in my character and I believe that would apply to most people.
Funny how some people always feel the need to speak for other people. That is how the LP SC works. No need to ask opinions or take votes. Also, it is ok to infringe on everyone's rights, because the "cheats" have to be controlled. So what if this creates a huge inconvenience for others or in fact hurts the customer experience.
If you cast a wide enough net, you will catch more fish. You will also kill dolphins.
Wow how do you stretch "what I believe" into "speaking for other people". I don't speak for anyone but myself. Any renter who books though the management company or through the owner and management company shouldn’t have a problem. The problem is with “non paying owner guest” and yes they now have to be inconvenienced because all owners are now suspect because of the cheats. What rights are being infringed on? When we purchased we had the right to inform ourselves of the rules, we had the right to go somewhere else if we didn’t like them, we have the right to change the rules that we don’t like, we also have the right to enforce those rules and we have the right to sell if we cannot live with the rules. Living in a community that has and HOA is a choice, some like it and some don’t. I don’t know of anyone that didn’t have the right to purchase wherever they could afford. Again this is my opinion as an owner at the Sonoran Sea.
The problem is with “non paying owner guest” and yes they now have to be inconvenienced because all owners are now suspect because of the cheats. What rights are being infringed on? .
So "reserving as guest" is kinda like "driving while black". You are assumed guilty until you prove yourself otherwise.
I think you have answered you own question on what rights have been infringed on.
Maybe if you guys started your own rental company and kicked out the crooks that seem to be stealing money from your fellow owners (looking the other way on this one Dan?) things might work out better.Charge 25% instead of 40 and nickel and dime the renters to get the difference.
At the Sonoran Sea the HOA is working with and has oversight of the management company. The problem is cash flow, more going out than what is coming in, that is a problem that “I believe” (again my opinion) most of us have. There is no “looking the other way”. It is best for us to unite and work together with the management company to work through this problem so that we all get paid, enforce the rules and agreements that we have all agreed to and have a resort that we can be happy with (again just my opinion).
So "reserving as guest" is kinda like "driving while black". You are assumed guilty until you prove yourself otherwise.
I think you have answered you own question on what rights have been infringed on.
I think the better examples would be more like people drive drunk and believe that they do not have to obey that rules, then we as divers are stopped at road blocks and questioned. Or being a US citizen driving down a road that I paid taxes to build has to stop to answer questions about my citizenship.
Wow how do you stretch "what I believe" into "speaking for other people". I don't speak for anyone but myself. Any renter who books though the management company or through the owner and management company shouldn’t have a problem. The problem is with “non paying owner guest” and yes they now have to be inconvenienced because all owners are now suspect because of the cheats. What rights are being infringed on? When we purchased we had the right to inform ourselves of the rules, we had the right to go somewhere else if we didn’t like them, we have the right to change the rules that we don’t like, we also have the right to enforce those rules and we have the right to sell if we cannot live with the rules. Living in a community that has and HOA is a choice, some like it and some don’t. I don’t know of anyone that didn’t have the right to purchase wherever they could afford. Again this is my opinion as an owner at the Sonoran Sea.
Any owner who booked thru the rental co. was ripped off for thousands of dollars at LP. Something you conveniently ignore.
Any owner who booked thru the rental co. was ripped off for thousands of dollars at LP. Something you conveniently ignore.
I have never given an opinion on LP. I responded to a post about owners being scrutinized for their “non paying guest” which is also being done at the Sonoran Sea. My opinion was based on my own personal experiences and issues at the Sonoran Sea and how cheats hurt all of us. I thought I mentioned Sonoran Sea enough times in my post in fact look at my last sentence.
that's it??? Don't get frustrated, go online and copy a funny comeback or something more creative than "tool". You wil be excited to know that a handful of owners this week where caught cheating the system. I figured you would be excited to know that it is working; unless of course this is bad news for some owners ? hmmm
I heard there was a resort that still hadn't paid their owners $3 million. Pot callin' the kettle black. Tool.
The resort owes owners $3m? really? are you sure that they owe owner's $3m? Developer and rental operator owe owners, HOA and contractor's money. However I don't recall owners being owed 3m.
I guess your brilliant suggestion would be to let anyone and everybody do as they please because the developer owes others money. That sounds like a great anarchy plan. I thought it was mentioned too many times that the issue regarding debt owed is being negotiated and that part of the solution moving forward will be replacing the current rental operator and HOA administrator. So, how is that a bad thing? Unfortunately for you and others that prefer to rent as they please, that won't be happening today (with the current operator) or the next. In any case you should be excited to have a new rental operator! smile be happy.
You wil be excited to know that a handful of owners this week where caught cheating the system. I figured you would be excited to know that it is working; unless of course this is bad news for some owners ? hmmm
Yes it was bad news for a couple of owners. Let's see, in all likelihood at least:
- 1 owner was falsely accused of cheating and now has an exhausting fight with OLP ahead of them
- 15 true guests of owners were needlessly hassled by the resort
- 3 potential owners have now decided to buy into the Sonoran's instead of purchasing at LP
Yes, I would say it was bad for the majority of owners.
The resort owes owners $3m? really? are you sure that they owe owner's $3m? Developer and rental operator owe owners, HOA and contractor's money. However I don't recall owners being owed 3m.
Oh how about the 22 owners that are owed back trusts? Isn't $3m really an understated number?
dry heat said:
I thought it was mentioned too many times that the issue regarding debt owed is being negotiated and that part of the solution moving forward will be replacing the current rental operator and HOA administrator. So, how is that a bad thing? Unfortunately for you and others that prefer to rent as they please, that won't be happening today (with the current operator) or the next. In any case you should be excited to have a new rental operator! smile be happy.
Lets see, will the current operator have a say in who replaces them?
Will the current SC and TC still be in place?
I guess you can put lipstick on a pig, but what do you really have?
The resort owes owners $3m? really? are you sure that they owe owner's $3m? Developer and rental operator owe owners, HOA and contractor's money. However I don't recall owners being owed 3m.
I guess your brilliant suggestion would be to let anyone and everybody do as they please because the developer owes others money. That sounds like a great anarchy plan. I thought it was mentioned too many times that the issue regarding debt owed is being negotiated and that part of the solution moving forward will be replacing the current rental operator and HOA administrator. So, how is that a bad thing? Unfortunately for you and others that prefer to rent as they please, that won't be happening today (with the current operator) or the next. In any case you should be excited to have a new rental operator! smile be happy.
You SC people have already negotiated YOUR debt. You got paid. Now you want us to take a %?
FYI- many of the sonoran resorts are also revamping their rental regulations. You might want to be a good pal and give them a heads up. If the "3 potential owners" like the independence of renting on their own, they will also have a problem there.
curiousgeorge said:
Yes it was bad news for a couple of owners. Let's see, in all likelihood at least:
- 1 owner was falsely accused of cheating and now has an exhausting fight with OLP ahead of them
- 15 true guests of owners were needlessly hassled by the resort
- 3 potential owners have now decided to buy into the Sonoran's instead of purchasing at LP
Yes, I would say it was bad for the majority of owners.
FYI- many of the sonoran resorts are also revamping their rental regulations. You might want to be a good pal and give them a heads up. If the "3 potential owners" like the independence of renting on their own, they will also have a problem there.
Maybe it's not $3 mil. Need to deduct what the SC got paid.
Oh yes of course. Also they need to deduct the free penthouse, unlimited tacos, and comp'd limo service from phx to penasco. Fiesta bowl committee was jealous of the perks these guys got.
You SC people have already negotiated YOUR debt. You got paid. Now you want us to take a %?
I don't know how to answer a desperate, ignorant person. when emotions are high it appears some lose all sense of reasoning.... oh, yes you will still have to rent via a rental operator. No matter how many times you spin it and no matter how many tantrums you throw, you will still have to rent your unit with a rental operator. If this will put a damper on your current income situation, I suggest you start planning ahead to sell.
Quit what? As a fellow humble owner, I feel the need to help lost souls such as yourself see the need to play nice within a community. regardless of who takes over, I find it interesting that you still shake you head no to renting within a rental operator (you know- no different than any other resort). It tells me that you have your own agenda to protect (cough cough -rent on your own/undercut owners- cough cough). thus I see great pleasure in doing all I can as a fellow owner to make sure this does not happen. I love you too much to see you go down a destructive path of selfishness, I want you to show love to your fellow neighbors by doing your part to follow the rules of the community. fortunately for you- you will have a new operator, considering your displeasure with the current one. It's a WIN, WIN ernesto.
Yeah,you are "winning"! Got a few rocks in your shoe here Dryheave. Not like the other venue you guys own.i don't mind the "pool" if we get an HONEST operator,until then all bets are off.Answering the reservation line would be a great start! But they are also feeding you Squirrels rentals so it doesn't matter to you. No, you got pissy and threatened to quit the SC. Now you got a vendetta. Good luck.
Yeah,you are "winning"! Got a few rocks in your shoe here Dryheave. Not like the other venue you guys own.i don't mind the "pool" if we get an HONEST operator,until then all bets are off.Answering the reservation line would be a great start! But they are also feeding you Squirrels rentals so it doesn't matter to you. No, you got pissy and threatened to quit the SC. Now you got a vendetta. Good luck.
1. I don't have a vendeta against any owner (nor do I care to- I am not an emotional "blue" personality - personality color code book. I am more of a 'red' personality). If anything I have a vendeta to improve the situation we are in. My personal opinion is we can't have "all goes" during the transition period of replacing and fixing this mess.
2. agree answering the reservation line is inexcusable (sp?). I have also heard of this problem from others. Last I heard is the current operator hired a couple of reservations agents to help (hopefully somewhat of a fix)
3. I am owed money by WWG just like others. One of the original partners is also owed money. I don't allow the resort to rent my unit. 50% of the committee members who rent their units (from what I understand refer most of the guests to the resort). My personal stand and opinion (again I am only 1 man), is to have as much order as possible (especially during the time period of transition). some don't feel that way and that is ok.
4. Threatened to quit the SC? are you trying to narrow down your owner list as to who I am? Again, I am nobody and it really does not matter.
We know who you are. Gettin' a little wild on the other site eh?
I am lost. Sure, it is getting wild on the other site (is it a porn site?).
You are really working hard to find out who I am, I am glad it is important to you. Easiest thing would be to post the owner list and say I am in it. I feel sorry for the poor guy that you think is me- but go ahead and harrass him- you have my blessing. Oh, here is a hint- did I ever say I was on any Las Palomas owner's committee???? ahhhh, go back and read all my posts and I think you might be surprised that I never said such a thing- if you guys assumed then that is your assumption and not one I needed to correct.
Oh c'mon! I'm not gonna out ya! I enjoy giving you Squirrel jerks shit for your hypocritical ,typical "this ain't for me,I'm doin this for you"
horseshit. It's all about you guys,always was and always will be. Next time sell tickets to your dog and pony show. Oh shit! I guess you did when you charged $5 to get into one of the meets.
Oh c'mon! I'm not gonna out ya! I enjoy giving you Squirrel jerks shit for your hypocritical ,typical "this ain't for me,I'm doin this for you"
horseshit. It's all about you guys,always was and always will be. Next time sell tickets to your dog and pony show. Oh shit! I guess you did when you charged $5 to get into one of the meets.
No matter what I say it won't change your thoughts regarding the direction the resort is going in. Thus I don't know what else to say, other than I hope you are on board and I hope you realize that the enforcements of rental regulations is nothing new in the industry (as mentioned before, the sonoran properties are making changes to their rental regulations and enforcement).
In regards to the $5 fee collected at one of the meetings, I believe the money was donated to back-end employees that had not been paid at the time. I also believe this was made clear prior to the meeting and at the entrance to the meeting. Either way it was not my idea or one I carried- a different set of owners took the batton on that one.
No matter what I say it won't change your thoughts regarding the direction the resort is going in. Thus I don't know what else to say, other than I hope you are on board and I hope you realize that the enforcements of rental regulations is nothing new in the industry (as mentioned before, the sonoran properties are making changes to their rental regulations and enforcement).
In regards to the $5 fee collected at one of the meetings, I believe the money was donated to back-end employees that had not been paid at the time. I also believe this was made clear prior to the meeting and at the entrance to the meeting. Either way it was not my idea or one I carried- a different set of owners took the batton on that one.
Jerry, our winsome idiot-
The facility use was not free for the group that met that day. For those that wanted to attend, the group organizers collected $5 per person (1st to pay for the rental facility since it would be impossible to know how many owners would actually show up- some owners were prepared to pay the balace due for the rental if not enough was collected). Money left over after the rental payment would be donated to back-end employees (ex. cooks). Those that generally don't receive tips as part of their income. I heard that over 300 attended the meeting and the group of owners managed to pass on the extra money to these employees (around 70 or so). Owners often times tip or are generous with various employees, this was a way to give a little more as a group of owners. Again, this was the idea of a group of owners that I did not have any affiliation with. I did admire their effort and work collecting the money and passing it out to various employees.
Any more ignorant comments or thougths Jerry?
You know what? I was kinda diggin' the concilatory tones in your previous posts,but your pompous bullshit came through again! Like him or not , Jerry has been around down there and has worthwhile input.Listen and stop talking ALL the time.
You know what? I was kinda diggin' the concilatory tones in your previous posts,but your pompous bullshit came through again! Like him or not , Jerry has been around down there and has worthwhile input.Listen and stop talking ALL the time.
You mean the following comment is worthwhile input...
"$5 bucks....you guys put Mother Teresa to shame!"
In regards to your comments- It surprises me that you would even make a comment about the donation, you are someone who should know the reason why the money was collected and who it went to. You are to the point of now complaining about anything and you are now throwing things to the wall hoping it would stick.
Are you slow or do you have a learning disability? I only ask because of the reason why you mentioned the collection, I am starting to get the feeling that you are not the brightest person. Unfortunately for Jerry, he did not know the details- however you did since you are an owner and that news was spread to all owners. You are now grasping at anything and turning in kiddy arguments. Just sell or move on. Your constant crying and now stupid points are getting worse each time you say something. Next, I am waiting for you to say how the Surveillance Committee controls the weather in penasco and how they are out to get little ol ernesto. Just sell or move on, because you are certainly not getting a damn thing accomplished on here (especially with your recent dumb comments). My concilatory tones are probably due to being exhausted and defeated in dealing with a man of no reason and one who has their own/individualized agenda. I don't understand the following- If you know you won't be able to ever rent on your own at Las Palomas or any other resort in peansco, why do you still argue to no end? At some point you either sell or accept it.
You my misguided friend,have aligned yourself with the enemy under the pretense of being the savior of the owners of the development.They have screwed blued and tattooed us and continue to do so. It is an insult. And so is your attitude and your behavior here.Believe me amigo, the movement has just begun.look at the number of views here,you will be your own undoing. And rightfully so.
You my misguided friend,have aligned yourself with the enemy under the pretense of being the savior of the owners of the development.They have screwed blued and tattooed us and continue to do so. It is an insult. And so is your attitude and your behavior here.Believe me amigo, the movement has just begun.look at the number of views here,you will be your own undoing. And rightfully so.
Sure Ernesto, whatever you say. At this point you are just throwing random accusations with no substance. Everytime the point is made that the resort will have a new rental operator or a new HOA administrator, you find a way to disagree with it. No one is trying to be a savior. You just have some owners that want to improve the project and make sure that regulations are enforced by the time the next operator gets involved. I know you think you have an army of owners upset that they can't break the rental rules anymore- unfotunately as you can tell by the last assembly that most owners don't think like you and most are supportive of the 20 or so individual owners that are volunteering their time in order to resolve the various issues that affect the community. Even when progress is made, you find a way to be upset because you can't rent your unit as you please. We have gone over so many times what has happened in the past, the need to correct the problem with a new operator and hoa administrator, and the need to resolve the debt owed. Yet, you are still upset. Deep down we know that you are really upset you can't rent your unit as you please- I get it. So, best wishes on your movement and good luck.
No Heave. We differ in our approach to the resolution of the problem of the stealing developer WWG. You guys want to downplay the problem whereas others want to call it what it is.You claim to have insider info.I call it self interest info because that is how the world(Mexico in particular) works.I don't give a shit about changing your views,but with this many looks, others are learning what you Ben,and Bob are all about. Now further insult all of us by saying you don't know who they are.
Why do gringos go to Mexico to hang out with a bunch of other gringos? Thats about as much fun as sittin' around watchin' paint dry, then when they aren't bitchen about hoa's and mafia and land fraud all they do is talk about drinkin' and eatin'. I have had 3 house's in Las Conchas, property in Cholla, Mirador and I couldn't get Fabi to leave her beloved Lagrimas, home of the way Rocky point used to be for nothin'. wanna get your ass kicked say something wrong to your neighbor. They ain't screwin' with any hoa's. they are just gonna beat your ass. I like it that way.
No Heave. We differ in our approach to the resolution of the problem of the stealing developer WWG. You guys want to downplay the problem whereas others want to call it what it is.You claim to have insider info.I call it self interest info because that is how the world(Mexico in particular) works.I don't give a shit about changing your views,but with this many looks, others are learning what you Ben,and Bob are all about. Now further insult all of us by saying you don't know who they are.
Do you think it is best to advertise and announce continuing negotiations? Do you think it is best to get emotional and loud regarding the problem? You are right, we disagree on the approach to debt owed and how to handle a negoatiated settlement. By the way, the world works the same everywhere (even in the great USA). I have seen more corruption in my country with less consequences than any other area. Ernesto, a lot more people are involved and fully support the transition. Transperancy has always been shown to all owners, just like it will in the future when more information is presented. Again, here you go again with accusations thrown from left field with no specifics. You my friend, are the one that is looking like a desperate fool wishing he could still rent his unit as he wishes.
Try to stay calm and not get so angry- it's not good for your health.
Why do gringos go to Mexico to hang out with a bunch of other gringos? Thats about as much fun as sittin' around watchin' paint dry, then when they aren't bitchen about hoa's and mafia and land fraud all they do is talk about drinkin' and eatin'. I have had 3 house's in Las Conchas, property in Cholla, Mirador and I couldn't get Fabi to leave her beloved Lagrimas, home of the way Rocky point used to be. wanna get your ass kicked say something wrong to your neighbor. They ain't screwin' with any hoa's. they are just gonna beat your ass. I like it that way.
I completely agree Lagrima's. If you want freedom, then purchase property in an area that has less restrictions. good thoughts.
Dry Heat, I am not picking on you, I still dont think you have said anything wrong. But GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAd Dang what nice place to buy a vacation home. Go on vacation and have your stomach in knots the whole time with gringos squealin' on gringos. Las Palomas what a joke. That development also put Penasco over the edge for available water, thank god its half empty so the rest of us can finally get some frickin' water.
Ernesto, of the 10000 views you guys were probably 9900 of them. The problems at Las palomas aint that big of a deal to anybody not invoved. P.S. I have had excellent water pressure since the slowdown.