Things are not always what they seem. Neither are people. They didn't randomly target this guy. They had been looking for him for a few days. Although he might of been a "tourist" to Penasco, he was from Juarez. They only shot him and did not injure his wife or son. You can draw your own conclusions about who he was or might have been involved in, but yes, he was specifically targeted.
More disturbing to me is that they shot him at the marina as he was cleaning his boat up and securing it. I also find it amazing (something that another forum member mentioned to me) that it is so easy for these hit men to "disappear" with no police intervention and without a trace. I said I found it disturbing, not surprising. The police know that getting too involved in any of this is to risk their own lives.
Not poo-pooing the violence....but the AZRepublic ran 3 separate stories this morning on violence/killings in Mexico.....and it's the week before Labor Day weekend.....although they didn't have this one....YET!!!
More than 60 percent of municipal police officers receive a monthly salary of 4,000 pesos ($306) or less, he said. “The root of crime in Mexico is at the local level,” Calderon said. “The municipalities haven’t been able to respond with efficiency to the challenge of insecurity.”
Can you blame them? They are outmanned, outgunned, and become immediate target practice for any efforts they do make. Yeah, I'd be looking the other way, too. It's amazing they find anyone to even take a local cop job these days.
I am coming down for Labor Day Weekend. I will not allow these types of things to stop me from traveling to Mexico just as I do not allow criminals in Phoenix stop me from going out to dinner and etc. It is just another form of terrorism.
I am coming down for Labor Day Weekend. I will not allow these types of things to stop me from traveling to Mexico just as I do not allow criminals in Phoenix stop me from going out to dinner and etc. It is just another form of terrorism.
exactly. very good point. I go down, mind my own business , relax with good friends and love getting away from Phoenix.
A comment posted to the Arizona Daily Star in regard to the article reporting this event:
"Here we are again with all the Rocky Point lovers, notice none of them live there and the Americans that do, think about being kidnapped "all the time" and if they say otherwise they are lying. Rocky Point is a dirty, corrupt and chock full of disease that no one there is vacinated for. The folks that go there are not there for the beautiful beaches, clear waters, or seafood that is better than anywhere else, it's not, as I and many others have been to other locations in the USA that have all of the above. Its because they feel "superior" to the real citizens that live there, because their money being worth more there adds to the sense of supremacy and they know that if they don't get in trouble there that they can come back to the USA. I am sure there will be comments contradicting that, but I have been there and seen how they act.
I have been stopped in RP by the corrupt state police for no reason but to try and squeeze a bribe, but this American was too smart for them and didn't pay a thing. You all have seen them in the white Fords with the crew sitting in back of the truck with their dark blue shirts with a silk screened badge.
Even if bystanders were killed as happened a couple of years ago and the police chief shot up or killed a couple of months ago, the Rocky Point elitist will say "Oh its safe and beautiful", Don't be fooled, its just plain unsafe."
I can attest to being stopped by the police for the purpose of being shaken down for bribes. This happened to me once by the municipal police, and twice to my Mexican wife: Once by the municipal police, and once by truckful the police estatal investigadora. In every case NO bribes were paid!
You already did "dignify" it by virtue of your response. I didn't write it, I only cut-and-pasted what appeared in the media. I do agree with the description of the attitude of many foreign visitors to Rocky Point. I think it is something that we all should reflect on.
ernesto - Have empathy for the locals, many of whom have no B1/B2 Laser Visas, and cannot escape to the US, like tourists. You don't think that tourists have a pompous attitude because they have an immediate escape route available to them, not available to the locals? Locals are trapped at the other end, having no means to relocate to other more tranquil parts of Mexico, out of the drug corridor to the US.
PS - If you care to respond to my posts, kindly do so without snidely referring to me by aliases.
A comment posted to the Arizona Daily Star in regard to the article reporting this event:
The folks that go there are not there for the beautiful beaches, clear waters, or seafood that is better than anywhere else, it's not, as I and many others have been to other locations in the USA that have all of the above. Its because they feel "superior" to the real citizens that live there, because their money being worth more there adds to the sense of supremacy and they know that if they don't get in trouble there that they can come back to the USA.
Wow. Thank you very much for the real reason we all go to Rocky Point, I never understood the superior feeling I got when I spent money on the dirty beaches wile eating really bad sea food as I passed the day looking to get in trouble so I can cross back into the states. Smilin Jack you must have some really bad luck, Ive been going to RP for 15 years and have NEVER been stopped by anyone and guess what? NO BRIBES HAVE BEEN PAID !! and another thing you say
""Here we are again with all the Rocky Point lovers, notice none of them live there and the Americans that do, think about being kidnapped "all the time" and if they say otherwise they are lying."
I have not once even thought about that and I'm not lying. What you commented on must describe You and not anyone I know. Sorry to bust your bubble Mr Know it all. Have a great day
Let me start by saying I have been to R.P. probably 20 times since March. The only issue we have had was stopping at the check point in Sonoyta where I was informed that not wearing a seat belt is a $40.00 american fine. Upon looking down at my seat belt (buckled) looking at my passenger (buckled) looking back at my wife (not buckled) the officer said to buckle up and have a nice day. I don't feel nor do I or any of my friends "look down" on the locals. I love the seafood I love the small mom and pop restruants. I love the fact everyone welcomes you and makes you feel as family. I don't always enjoy the slower pace but I am starting to. With the great people I have met in town and on this board I can honestly and fully say I escape the states to go to Rocky Point. In all my years on this earth I have realized 1 major thing Trouble finds people looking for trouble.
Frauning Jack? or as Kenny say stinking rotten, bitter cactus!! sorry Kenny, I think I added some adjetives there that you did not mention!!
back to work now!!
Message to Smilin' Jack - If looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, THEN IT'S PROBABLY A GOD DAMNED DUCK!!
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Oh, what? The admin just told you to F' off? YES, HE DID. Grow the f' up and stop being a whiner. The reason people are calling you "Cactus" is because you seem to be a clone of a previous user by that name and display the same writing and posting style. Let's just say you ain't gonna make any friends here that way.
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Rob,
It's the report post button, the triangle on the bottom left next to the Thanks button. If you are offended, you push that and Stuart or Tyler get copies of the offending post right away.
Cartel defenders used to say it was just a way to get back at the Imperialists to the North but attacks like this and the horrifying 72 murders of Central and South Americans reported on this week make it clear it's not Brown people taking their piece of the empanada it's criminals preying on the rest of us.My question to the boosters is where were the cops?
Wahoo said:
Well in my case it look like a Duck "siccario" smelled like Duck "AK-47 casings" and walked like a duck, "not one but 7 bullet holes" . It was a targeted attack.
Upon further thought and reading another forum and RP reactions (local) this was not what it seemed, ""the outside the tourists genre, nothing to do with "us" me""
The 'target' was indeed a tourist (non local) staying at a rented condo. This was not his first time doing the same. He was not involved in the drug trade but a affluent Spanish business owner of a Maquilladora, (manufacturing plant) hiring many Mexicans for labor and selling product abroad. Mainly to his original home land in Spain. He had dual citizenship, Mex - Spain traveling to Spain often. He was not a fisherman but liked his sport boat for ski and fun. The "girl" friend" was actually his wife. Again, I was wrong because I assumed the different names.
He was target of a kidnapping for money. A new business for easy cash from seemingly wealthy business owners by the mafia. He refused to go with them and struggled and ran. kidnappers do not like to be recognized and so the gun shoot out occurred.
My question to the boosters is where were the cops?
Yeah, that has been sort of the million dollar question, hasn't it? An AK-47 is not a stealth weapon; it makes a lot of noise. And weapons fire so close to the Navy base and those guys weren't all over it in a heartbeat? They used to have machine-gun armed guards in stone turrets on duty 24/7 at the Navy base; I'd see 'em coming and going every time I went out. Nobody heard or responded to that gunfire? And, in a town as small as Penasco, these guys were able to make a clean getaway, even though the locals said they recognized the black jeep and had seen it around for a couple of days?
A whole bunch of things that just that make you say "Hmmmmmm."
And the 72 immigrant deaths? Wow, just wow. It's about as hideous a thing I've ever heard of. Right up there with the holocaust and other genocidal events. The complete and utter disregard for life to exterminate 72 people and stack them in a room is both sickening and unbelievable. Our next war is looming and we won't have to go around the world to fight it; we'll need only cross our own southern border. Despite the millions of USD given to fight the drug cartels, I think Calderon is losing the battle for his country. The war on drugs is becoming just that - a real war with heavily armed troops killing each other and innocent civilians. Somebody needs to cut the head of this snake off, once and for all.
30 YEARS OF HISTORY WITH MY WIFE EDNA. PLUS ALMOST ALL OF MY LIFE OF 70 YEARS.
I started camping on the beach 39 k below the border of California when I was about 8 years old. I have been going to Mexico on a regulas bassis ever since.
Never have I had any problems with anyone down there. I treat the people there like I want to be treated, with respect. I am no better than any of them I deal with.
Sure there are bad people and bad places but I don't go there. In my life I generaly believe when you hear that bad things have happened to good people it is because you do not hear the whole story. I love the town, the people and the culture. I feel safe there because the drug people kill there own and not the bystanders. You never hear that some one walked into a store down there and just started shooting every one, like in Phoenix.
Eg. I was talking to an older person here in Casa Grande the other day. He was riding a bike instead of driving. He told me how bad our local judge is because he took his drivers license, end of story. I questioned him about the incident that lead to his loss of license. Truth, He had been stopped and was drunk. Court appearance and did not go. Bench warrant and was arested, a little time in the pokey and a fine, still had his license. Failed to pay the fine, bench warrant, back to court, litle more time in the pokey and lost his license.
When you want the truth get the whole story from a reliable source.
Sorry for the rant but 1/2 stories p*** me off.
Legalize the dope and "induct' anyone that even looks like a narco in a civilian conservation corps and make them spend 5 years doing public works projects in mexico...hey most of the narcos are fat asses anyways some hard labor might be good for them!
Stuart said:
Yeah, that has been sort of the million dollar question, hasn't it? An AK-47 is not a stealth weapon; it makes a lot of noise. And weapons fire so close to the Navy base and those guys weren't all over it in a heartbeat? They used to have machine-gun armed guards in stone turrets on duty 24/7 at the Navy base; I'd see 'em coming and going every time I went out. Nobody heard or responded to that gunfire? And, in a town as small as Penasco, these guys were able to make a clean getaway, even though the locals said they recognized the black jeep and had seen it around for a couple of days?
A whole bunch of things that just that make you say "Hmmmmmm."
And the 72 immigrant deaths? Wow, just wow. It's about as hideous a thing I've ever heard of. Right up there with the holocaust and other genocidal events. The complete and utter disregard for life to exterminate 72 people and stack them in a room is both sickening and unbelievable. Our next war is looming and we won't have to go around the world to fight it; we'll need only cross our own southern border. Despite the millions of USD given to fight the drug cartels, I think Calderon is losing the battle for his country. The war on drugs is becoming just that - a real war with heavily armed troops killing each other and innocent civilians. Somebody needs to cut the head of this snake off, once and for all.
Yeah, that has been sort of the million dollar question, hasn't it? An AK-47 is not a stealth weapon; it makes a lot of noise. And weapons fire so close to the Navy base and those guys weren't all over it in a heartbeat? They used to have machine-gun armed guards in stone turrets on duty 24/7 at the Navy base; I'd see 'em coming and going every time I went out. Nobody heard or responded to that gunfire? And, in a town as small as Penasco, these guys were able to make a clean getaway, even though the locals said they recognized the black jeep and had seen it around for a couple of days?
A whole bunch of things that just that make you say "Hmmmmmm."
And the 72 immigrant deaths? Wow, just wow. It's about as hideous a thing I've ever heard of. Right up there with the holocaust and other genocidal events. The complete and utter disregard for life to exterminate 72 people and stack them in a room is both sickening and unbelievable. Our next war is looming and we won't have to go around the world to fight it; we'll need only cross our own southern border. Despite the millions of USD given to fight the drug cartels, I think Calderon is losing the battle for his country. The war on drugs is becoming just that - a real war with heavily armed troops killing each other and innocent civilians. Somebody needs to cut the head of this snake off, once and for all.
Stuart...I had the same questions when I read the report...I've launched my jetskis there many times. There is one way in and one way out......and there was no police or Navy activity?????
I've been on the Mirador when it used to be busy on weekends at night...and there was some "altercation"....the police would be there within a minute or two....in mass!!!
Well in my case it look like a Duck "siccario" smelled like Duck "AK-47 casings" and walked like a duck, "not one but 7 bullet holes" . It was a targeted attack.
Upon further thought and reading another forum and RP reactions (local) this was not what it seemed, ""the outside the tourists genre, nothing to do with "us" me""
The 'target' was indeed a tourist (non local) staying at a rented condo. This was not his first time doing the same. He was not involved in the drug trade but a affluent Spanish business owner of a Maquilladora, (manufacturing plant) hiring many Mexicans for labor and selling product abroad. Mainly to his original home land in Spain. He had dual citizenship, Mex - Spain traveling to Spain often. He was not a fisherman but liked his sport boat for ski and fun. The "girl" friend" was actually his wife. Again, I was wrong because I assumed the different names.
He was target of a kidnapping for money. A new business for easy cash from seemingly wealthy business owners by the mafia. He refused to go with them and struggled and ran. kidnappers do not like to be recognized and so the gun shoot out occurred.
Kidnapping for Ransom. :notme:
Wahoo...if it was a kidnapping, then that is more troubling than if it was a cartel "hit".
However, I do have a question....if it was a kidnapping gone wrong, why didn't they take the wife/child after they gunned him down? They would still have someone to collect a ransom for?????
Cartel defenders used to say it was just a way to get back at the Imperialists to the North but attacks like this and the horrifying 72 murders of Central and South Americans reported on this week make it clear it's not Brown people taking their piece of the empanada it's criminals preying on the rest of us.My question to the boosters is where were the cops?
It looks more like a "hit" to me. I suggest we all wait for Rosie to get us the truth.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chari...I only have a couple of minutes before my next meeting, but do have some comments for you guys on this. Will be back in a while to post.
Unfortunately the 72 murders where also Kidnapings. The Mexican Government has asked help from Brazil, Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua and Honduras to help identify the gruesome find. The easiest kidnappings are immigrants that need to pay 50:50 upon arrival. They know their family has the other 50% fee so this is what they're after. If they can not pay there bodies are worthless to them. They are not in the biz to transport illegals but to prey on them for cash paid by families.
90%plus of the kidnappings in Arizona are from this breed. In migrants being "chantajiados". Doubly used, .. . mafia fighting coyotes for the prey.
Migrants killed for refusing to be assassins, teen says..MEXICO CITY — The sole survivor in the massacre of 72 illegal immigrants headed to the U.S. has said a notorious drug gang gunned them all down after they refused to work as assassins, according to a source at the prosecutor's office for the state of Tamaulipas quoted in Mexican media. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38867434/ns/world_news-americas/
Check out youtube, they have songs honoring them,kids in Douglas where my friend who teaches 5th grade want to grow up to be Secarios....one will be president of mexico soon .
Old grudges die hard.The fact is we did steal a large part of mexico in the stacked deck treaty of Guadalupe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo
on the brighter side the people that were annexed lucked out compared to those left behind in the evil Hacienda system and then butchered in the revolution.
Again, it's not very diferent than the American Mafia. Who's going to try and stop someone w/an AK47. This is a problem that is affecting the emotions of us tourists and american full timers but so far the stray bullet hasn't hit. It's like the old time western towns, when the people start losing their livlihood over this nonsense they will step up to the plate and demand something be done,but, don't hold your breath It took the Us the better part of 75 years to get some semblance of control.
The bottom line:
"Ultimately, Mexico is a failed state only if you accept the idea that its goal is to crush the smugglers. If, on the other hand, one accepts the idea that all of Mexican society benefits from the inflow of billions of American dollars (even though it also pays a price), then the Mexican state has not failed — it is following a rational strategy to turn a national problem into a national benefit.
Read more: Mexico and the Failed State Revisited | STRATFOR
Well, I thought I would venture up from the fishing forum and I must ask for us inquiring minds. What kind of boat did he have and is it now for sell at a bargain price?
Also, at least the hit man had some ethics, he waited for him to clean and SECURE his boat before feeding the guy a few lead pills. OK, granted I am not the most PC person in the world....
Mexico is what Mexico is, we all know it. I said it before, stay out of the narco's business and your chances of not getting the air let out of you are pretty good. Other than that, enjoy the cheap accommodations, hospitality, the great fishing and cold beer.
That makes sense. I looked for an article in El Imparcial yesterday and found none. The only thing I could find yesterday was the article in Defrente. With this info, it does look like a failed kidnapping.
I've heard a lot of conflicting information -- there's what's been published so far, then there's the hearsay - he was living large; he had a substantial amount of cash in the condo; there was a stripper from one of the nightclubs with him on the boat at harbor, NOT his wife. Like I said, all hearsay depending on who you talk to in Penasco. When initially inquiring, I was told it was shootout between two drug guys, both were dead, and both were wanted by the Mexican police, so nobody cared that they got shot.
That's just some of what I have heard. True? Who knows. I'm leaning more toward the published version of events, but it still doesn't answer some of my main questions.
Kelney - That boat is the suck for any kind of fishing. The first information I got on this said that he had a "yacht." A Seadoo scooter boat is nowhere near a yacht, but it just goes to show how things can get jumbled or lost in translation.
I'll repeat an earlier question of mine....if it was a kindappiing, why didn't they take his wife and kids....if that's who they were on the boat with him?????
I guess we just have to wait for Rosy.....in the words of Paul Harvey...."and now, for the rest of the story"!!!!
Hey...can we refer to Rosy as the Paul Harvey of Penasco?:thumbsup:
A couple of well-armed helicopters and some good mobile surveillance equipment could make it very difficult to pull off assassinations in broad daylight at a place like the marina. I'll be curious to see whether the Mexican government decides to shrug this one off or takes measures to enhance its capability.
This incident is a serious threat to Rocky Point's future tourism industry. Tourists can no longer be assured that staying out of the wrong places will keep them safe. The marina should be one of the safest places in town. If you can be exposed to gunfire at the marina, you can be exposed to it anywhere. While I'm willing to accept some risk, most American tourists aren't. That's especially true where children are involved.
When a carload of gunmen open fire at the marina, directly across from the naval station, and then drive away unmolested, there can be little doubt as to who controls Puerto Penasco. It certainly isn't the people's elected officials. The ultimate authority in Rocky Point now is clearly the narco-terrorists. Unless the national government takes extraordinary measures to change that, the narco-terrorists will also decide whether kidnapping for ransom, armed robbery and other crimes will be allowed to flourish.
Northern Mexico is looking a lot like Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and certain African countries, where the best people live in fear and the worst control the destiny of everyone else. The national government might be secure in Mexico City, but Mexico is at a crossroads in defining its national character, both for itself and in the eyes of the world.
Alright guys, I'm here. There isn't a lot of new information, but hopefully I can clear a couple of things up. In an earlier post someone said the victim owned a maquiladora. We now know this isn't true. He supplied widgets for the maquiladora. It wasn't a yacht. I used the word mistakenly based on the report I translated for the article. Sorry for the confusion. It was still pretty obvious that the guy had some bucks.
He was with his wife and 14yr old son. Police sources (unnamed, of course) say he was followed here. Yes, he was told to go with the shooters and he refused. This doesn't mean it was a kidnap for ransom. It is believed that he knew it wasn't, and that is why he ran instead of trying to protect his son. He knew he was the only one they wanted.
We Mexicans certainly know by now that just because someone has a legitimate business, it's no guarantee that there isn't more to their activities. Many times the target isn't necessarily a drug smuggler...he can be someone who snitched, someone who helped the opposition launder money, someone who played dirty in a business deal, the list is really kind of long. Without more information, we can't profess to know for sure, but experience tells authorities that this was most likely a revenge killing. Ransom kidnappings are not an issue here even though we do have some very wealthy, high-profile local families. If this guy had gone with his attackers, he probably would not have been seen alive again anyway. I hope this helped!
Because; .... you target the owner of the Cash, to get a ransom not try to "extort" a ransom. Taking care of a Women and child? Are you out of your mind? This is suppose to be easy $.$$$.$$$.$$$
I suggest renting these two films and then you will understand;
"Proof of life", Meg Ryan and "Ruthless People" Danny de Vito
and this is only my opinion, I have been wrong many times before.
Stuart, "Lanchas" are usually "outboards" if the engine is inside "inboards" many locals will them "Yates".
"If" it was a Sea Doo it is a 230hp yet powered, and inboard. I can see the confusion. (Yachte vs Yate)
"Panga" or "Canoa" are wood and long hulled. I think my first post also called the wife a "girlfriend" becasue different names used.
Maybe Rosy has all the correct info as she wrote the insurance policy..... : )
My point was if they had already killed their original target of a kidnapping (if it was a kidnapping for ransom), then they would have taken the wife and child. I'm sure he had family that would be able to access his money to ransom them.
SAN FERNANDO, Mexico — The body of a local official investigating the massacre of 72 Central and South American migrants has been found, a government source told a leading Mexican newspaper. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38883757/ns/world_news-americas/
Family members attest calls from persons with Mexican accents demanding cash in return for loved ones.
Tonight the mayor is murdered.
This is a very odd post, Wahoo. What family members? Where? What mayor? Geez...could you be a little less mysterious with this kinda stuff in the future?
Wahoo....do you think you might be able to put together a complete post, without everyone trying to figure out who, what, when and where?????
I just heard from a friend who lives in Penasco (gringo), but has been in AZ due to some medical issues. He had spoken to his wife (Mexican) and was telling me about 2 murders in Penasco....and after discussing it with him for a while, it was apparent that it was the same shooting, from last weekend....he was talking about a Spaniard, and a Mexican====>the same guy.
Rosy, I also believe this has nothing to do with PPenasco and I maintain one is safer In Rocky Point than in many metro cities in the sates.
This is something that was dragged from Juarez and unfortunately occurred in your back yard.
The amount of "secuestros" is growing especially against foreign entrepreneurs.
The "they" vs "us" syndrome. They are "using" us, so they must and can pay.
The only "they" vs. "us" I'm familiar with is the narcos vs. society. I disagree with you that the death of the Spaniard was intended to be a kidnapping for ransom. Now, if because they attempted to take him with them you want to technically refer to it as a kidnapping, then fine...but we all know that most most of the time when people are "taken" by the narcos, it is to settle a score.
Wahoo said:
Rosy, the demand for money is contrary to kennys post why the migrants where killed. Kidnapping and extrusion. The major spoke out against the Mexicans yesterday and today he is murdered. That's all
We will know soon enough what that was about. No doubt the survivor will be giving interviews and he can tell us what they experienced. I just think that when you don't type in complete sentences it gets confusing because it isn't clear if you're referring to Penasco or not.
3,200 Mexican police officers fired, 1,200 more by next week.
The Zeta's is a paramilitary group which has a large group of police and ex police officers within their ranks. Officials said about 465 officers are believed to have been directly involved in crime themselves, such as extortion, and are being investigated for possible prosecution.
120 more Federales arrive to serve in Sonora last night. Group of 30 separated into 4 groups and directed to different corners of the state.
The arrival of federal agents to serve alongside the staff of the various corporations in the state to combat organized crime at the recent executions that have occurred in the state.
The point to get in this thread is that "Barbie" is/was an arch enemy of the Zeta's. The Zeta's set up the capture of Barbie to get him out of the picture. Valdez (Barbie) is a Texan Born not Mexican and his clan is slowly being eliminated to the benefactors the Paramilitary Zeta's. (His capture was a set up)
Last week a grenade exploded at a Bar in Puerto Vallarta, aimed at another King pin. Slowly the King pins are dissapearing and the Zeta's will rule and supply all the Tourist ($,$$$) hot spot drug consumption locations. Party on!
This is nothing to do with tourists, tourists are the Golden goose and they will be protected an more so by the Zeta's.
No Fear, Fish on
Do you mean to say that the Z are in cahoots with the army? as in set up? I was under the impression that the Z is also an enemy of the state. No Fear tampoco - fish on, my plate!
Personally I think it adds nothing useful to post brief, breathless, irrelevant off topic reports and links without context. It does add to the hysteria and the great Buddha knows we have enough of that. I am getting convinced more and more that humans would rather be fearful and hysterical than happy. Send it to the National Inquirer. People who really want to know and have to know will find out. No need to be tapping people on the shoulder constantly to warn them that it is a dangerous world. It's tiresome to get unsolicited reminders all the time. Leave that to the news.
Remember too that well over 50% of these so called 'reports' are SPECULATION. A disclaimer should be required on each report: "Most of this report was gathered from unknown and unnamed individuals and most of the 'information' is specualtion and rumor from unsupported and unconfirmable sources." The first 'report' is repeated as the true story, when the story is repeated, it is often merely reporting that there was a report. There is vitutally NO first hand information and the media does not care. Why in the world do they interview EACH OTHER as a news report? Mindless, mindless, mindless. The truth is that no one really knows what is happening with the cartels. Not even the higher up members. Too many groups and people involved.
Lets have a topic for irrelevant, off topic violence, we can post pictures and everything.
I'm going to go with Roberto here - just WTF are you trying to prove, Wahoo? The ongoing, meaningless reports of violence and cartels and such end here. It's one thing to report and discuss something relevant to Penasco, but we don't need a history of the Zetas in this thread. Find something else to occupy your time, okay?
I thought the information was useful to the pool here.
Hey amigo, I do think you are attempting to be helpful, pero I'm saying it that it is NOT Information or Knowledge. It's a MEDIA REPORT, more like rumor and innuendo. When you pass it on, you are reporting that there is a report which takes on the reality of actual true information which it is not. I also guarantee it that if I could repeatedly whisper into your ear "You are going to get bitten by a dog" at irregular intervals you would have a different reaction to an approaching dog than prior to the whispering.
Actually, I appreciate people sharing what they think they know about the situation down there. I read both the Mexican and U.S. news and so little is reported in the Mexican news and even less in U.S. news. I think we are intelligent enough to listen to different versions of an issue and evaluate the situation for our own purposes, like how much time we want to spend in Mexico and where we want to spend it, to decide what we want to do and what we don't want to do.
Janet Sez: I read both the Mexican and U.S. news and so little is reported in the Mexican news and even less in U.S. news.
I certainly do not object nor would I do anything to obstruct people from gathering and sharing information and yes we should be able to winnow the stuff and get the good kernels for ourselves. I wish logic and critical thinking was part of every school curricula is the world. I guess I was objecting mostly to inserting something with an acknowlegement that it had nothing to do with the topic. Lets ask to set up a seperate topic, maybe Saftey Issues ?
Too bad you still think the media reports the news. Maybe there is nothing to report? Read the Border Reporter blog if you want to read a lot of 'information' presented by a lot of people who know lots of things and love to let others know how much they know.
Roberto said: "Too bad you still think the media reports the news."
By the way Roberto, I do not think that the media reports the news. Al contrario. I like listening to people and I do a lot of that. Anyway, people are more interesting. I read the Border Reporter a little bit, but it is too much even for my inquiring mind. Overwhelming. I have the greatest respect though for that reporter and wish him safety.
Just want to thank all the forum contributors for their generous contributions of their ideas to this forum. I find it fascinating even when we don't agree on issues. I wish that people face to face would so generously share their opinions and listen to each other.
En referencia al español asesinado en puerto peñasco, en la bajada del puerto, ¿Alguien sabe algo de eso? ¿Fue un intento de secuestro o un ajuste de cuentas?
It appeared to be a settling of scores. In my opinion, the only reason they were trying to kidnap him was to avoid killing him right there. When he refused to get in the vehicle, they killed him anyway.
20 mechanics from Mexico, and no conformation that it even happened?..Reminds me of a old saying a Mexican friend of mine had, "She's more popular than a set of jumper cable's at a Mexicans wedding reception"..OK, so shoot me..LOL
"Police received a report on Friday that 20 mechanics on vacation from another part of western Mexico were kidnapped on Thursday afternoon, said Fernando Monreal, a top investigator with the attorney general's office in Guerrero state, where Acapulco is located."
That AP report was not in the article you posted, but this was.
"He provided police with a list of names and a description of the cars in which the group arrived, but has since disappeared, Monreal said.
"It is very probable that he went back to where he was from," Monreal said by telephone. "We are looking for evidence. The information is very thin."
En referencia al asesinato de puerto peñasco, ¿ajuste de cuentas de que tipo, estava metido en algo sucio, o era por su poder adquisitivo?.
¿Y quien fue la persona que pudo dar la orden?, ¿que banda pudo ser?
Quien sabe!! a lo mejor uno de los sicarios/secuestradores/asesinos pertenece a este foro y nos dara la informacion es de seguir insistiendo......... como te habras dado cuenta parece que nadie quiere hablar o decirnos quien lo hizo!!!!
no era de peñasco, estava de vacaciones, era de ciudad juarez. En la prensa decian que habia sido seguido por sus ejecutores desde ciudad juarez hasta puerto peñasco. Y me gustaria saber cual fue el motivo de su ejecución, si es que habia tenido algun problema o no se.
No, no, me refiero que alguien en Penasco lo conocia, yo se que el era de CJ, y si los sicarios lo siguieron desde CJ como no lo mataron en el camino? hubiera sido mucho mas facil y rapido, ha no ser que los asesinos tambien querian unas vacaciones, entonces si entenderia la manejada de casi 15 horas de CJ