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US May Ban All Wildlife Imports From MX To Protect Vaquita

Started by MIRAMAR · May 30, 2023 · 53 replies
MIRAMAR
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/us-says-mexico-not-protecting-vaquita/
randy and patty
I’ve always wondered why the totoaba isn’t farmed like salmon?
audsley
Talk to the Asians about farming for fish and wildlife. That's where the demand is, and they wouldn't have to depend on imports. They could start their own rhino farms, totoaba coves and vacquita pools to supply wealthy Asians who still believe in folk medicines that are generally dismissed by the world's doctors.
richwi
randy and patty said:

I’ve always wondered why the totoaba isn’t farmed like salmon?
Last edited: May 30, 2023 at 7:58 PM
corndog
randy and patty said:

I’ve always wondered why the totoaba isn’t farmed like salmon?

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/environment-sustainability/cites-decision-on-totoaba-keeps-earth-ocean-farms-from-selling-product-abroad They are allowed to export farmed Totoaba now.. https://dialogochino.net/en/trade-investment/57216-mexico-totoaba-cites-green-light-exports-farmed/
Last edited: May 30, 2023 at 8:22 PM
Old55
Mexico isnt even trying.The coastal highway was full of wobbly trailers pulling many pangas north from as far south as Puerto Libertad last week to for one poach the spawning shrimp. They follow them back down the coast .The pangas were packed with gill nets. My bet is they will deliberatly kill the remainder to make the issue moot if the US does this justifiable but maybe counter productive move.
Jungle Jim
Probably 100 plus "wobbly trailers" dragging pangas from as far away as Guymas as per the ID tags on the boats at El Golfo last Sunday. Heaps of fresh blue monofilament gill nets piled on the decks. Many scattered along the Coastal Hwy with broken axles or no spare wheel. Big windfall for the single llantera hombre in El Golfo. He is a smart shit though with many little signs with his "llantera mobile" along the road as soon as you leave PP. His yard is filled with llanatas usado especially for the little chicken shit rice burners from Kali.

I doubt that they were awaiting the soon to come Cannon Ball Jelly harvest.

Common sense would make an intelligent "person" pull an irritating thorn out of his ass as in the most endangered porpoise in the world. Once gone the the irritant no longer exists.

Happy times for the dick hard giant sea bass "maws".
Last edited: Jun 3, 2023 at 11:52 AM
joanC
From our 27 years owning property, and living in Mx 75 % of the time, no new laws, rules, regulations, domestic or international, will be respected to any degree by the people in our area of Mexico. (Our indigenous folks are quite different than populations in the south.) They have no respect for the rule of law, and don't gives a rat's ass about conservation, or the extinction of the Vaquita, shrimp, or any other living creature other than themselves.
joanC
From our 27 years owning property, and living in Mx 75 % of the time, no new laws, rules, regulations, domestic or international, will be respected to any degree by the people in our area of Mexico. (Our indigenous folks are quite different than populations in the south.) They have no respect for the rule of law, and don't gives a rat's ass about conservation, or the extinction of the Vaquita, shrimp, or any other living creature other than themselves.
Old55
You can say that again Joan.
Applies to my old rancher neighbors in Bowie az. If it moved they would kill it….all about the cows.
Last edited: Jun 3, 2023 at 5:52 PM
Old55
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/07/climate/vaquitas.html?unlocked_article_code=lBcHhGDTEqEt81nENzh88RScmczsqgMYmhB_p1af5fDjNUi77hiZrhbRnnatwG9vBBGY2za8QPwmqfHxNU_vh15aF_IGvcY6DXEbFIy17foxWIwAMHF49oruDUPEfxH1NUXQtquyMIKnBos_Wh19sZis4o5aWxo2_R3MQsbPE5ksMeQrCLJYdoFfGdW9blGhNSLpKIskGZPvU3Cs17-1oddTvzx9uCvDtajSKQixBKklbrNeCUZgC946MrPNZTJ0UCSPhBVCotiE3onMzOl13Xb0rLu1BBxU2V6tTLXNd1uVy2pvm8rYBXPd872AAnL-ZSg&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare. Good story
MIRAMAR
Over $2 million dollars of Totoaba bladders confiscated in Nogales https://www.12news.com/amp/article/news/local/arizona/27m-worth-of-fish-swim-bladders-confiscated-arizona-border-totoaba/75-1b6fe9fb-3ed1-4d75-9074-156941d66e55
audsley
Seems odd they'd be bringing Totoaba bladders into the US when the market is in Asia. I'd expect the ships coming from China for making fentanyl in Mexico would be the ones ferrying back the bladders.
Jungle Jim
Do you think any Chinese people live in the FUSA?
joanC
The US must take steps to stop all commercial Mexican fish and seafood from entering. If the commercial operations in Penasco withered away and died, no loss....just gain for the world.
Jungle Jim
How true Joan,

How about a ban on Mexican avocados, asparagus, tomatoes and almost every other damned type of produce than can be grown right here in the FUSA?
joanC
An alternative is someone develops a market for the bladders of Mexican fishermen. China is a good bet as a big market. Can you imagine what advertising the bladders could promise 700 million Chinese men?
Jungle Jim
And plenty of heartburn...................

Do a Goggle search on "FISH MAWS".

You won't believe what those primitive recent cave dwelling animistic religion imagined cure all that those squatters use "FISH MAWS" for.

Small packages are online and for sale here in the FUSA for hundreds of dollars.

From what I have read the tasteless dried ground up maws are reconstituted into a soup or broth that more than anything else resembles the sex lubricant known as KY Jelly.

They seem to rub and slather it on anything from the top of a bald head, all wrinkles from head to toe, instant erection juice, armpit and crotch de-odorizer to just a "feel-good" addition to their daily diet.

Man am I glad that they make almost all of the "modern" farmacia products that we pay so dearly for to include the Woo-Floo Clot-Shot.
CheddarBob
Jungle Jim said:

How true Joan,

How about a ban on Mexican avocados, asparagus, tomatoes and almost every other damned type of produce than can be grown right here in the FUSA?
joanC
Mexico works hard on maintaining its 3rd, or maybe 4th world, status.

I'm not sure we all are up to date on just how corrupt are Mexican government people.

The US has cancelled this program in Laredo to assist migrants.

"Migrants in Mexico seeking to travel to the U.S. had been encouraged to use the free U.S. Customs and Border Protection CBP One app, launched in 2020, to submit information in advance and schedule an appointment at authorized border crossings.

Some asylum seekers told the AP that Mexican officials in Nuevo Laredo had threatened to detain them and prevent them from attending their scheduled asylum appointments unless they paid a bribe. Humanitarian organizations in Laredo had also reportedly alerted the CBP."

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/us-ends-laredo-asylum-appointments-after-reports-of-extortion/

Our family made a mistake in choosing to invest and live in Mexico rather than Costa Rica.
CheddarBob
In the process of bailing out. Hope to be out by the fall. Won’t be looking in the rear view mirror that’s for sure.
Old55
Jungle Jim said:

How true Joan,

How about a ban on Mexican avocados, asparagus, tomatoes and almost every other damned type of produce than can be grown right here in the FUSA?

Jim voluteers to actually work a real job ! Thank you for your service.
Being a guy who worked every summer at the family Cherry Orchard and 10 acres of Asparagus field in western Michigan ….hard pass from me!
Old55
joanC said:

Mexico works hard on maintaining its 3rd, or maybe 4th world, status.

I'm not sure we all are up to date on just how corrupt are Mexican government people.

The US has cancelled this program in Laredo to assist migrants.

"Migrants in Mexico seeking to travel to the U.S. had been encouraged to use the free U.S. Customs and Border Protection CBP One app, launched in 2020, to submit information in advance and schedule an appointment at authorized border crossings.

Some asylum seekers told the AP that Mexican officials in Nuevo Laredo had threatened to detain them and prevent them from attending their scheduled asylum appointments unless they paid a bribe. Humanitarian organizations in Laredo had also reportedly alerted the CBP."

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/us-ends-laredo-asylum-appointments-after-reports-of-extortion/

Our family made a mistake in choosing to invest and live in Mexico rather than Costa Rica.

Remember when you followers of a certain soon to be jail bird predicted the border invasion after 42 ended? You pretty much dont know jack.
We need these people ! Mexico is actually doing fairly well….turn off Fox
Old55
joanC said:

Mexico works hard on maintaining its 3rd, or maybe 4th world, status.

I'm not sure we all are up to date on just how corrupt are Mexican government people.

The US has cancelled this program in Laredo to assist migrants.

"Migrants in Mexico seeking to travel to the U.S. had been encouraged to use the free U.S. Customs and Border Protection CBP One app, launched in 2020, to submit information in advance and schedule an appointment at authorized border crossings.

Some asylum seekers told the AP that Mexican officials in Nuevo Laredo had threatened to detain them and prevent them from attending their scheduled asylum appointments unless they paid a bribe. Humanitarian organizations in Laredo had also reportedly alerted the CBP."

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/us-ends-laredo-asylum-appointments-after-reports-of-extortion/

Our family made a mistake in choosing to invest and live in Mexico rather than Costa Rica.

Had a place down there after the grift in Belize got to be too much around 80…..same story as unnecessary people ( us) are looked at as a piggy bank
Old55
CheddarBob said:

In the process of bailing out. Hope to be out by the fall. Won’t be looking in the rear view mirror that’s for sure.

Avoid Florida….my friends frame and stucco shit box in a sea of frame and stucco shit boxes surrounded by a traffic jam now faced $7000 insurance bill that doesn't cover flooding.
ernesto
https://costaricacanadalaw.com/2020/09/25/what-are-squatters-rights-in-costa-rica/
Jungle Jim
I think the same is true in Mexico as I have had two Mexican friends that lost their property right there in PP.
richwi
Jungle Jim said:

I think the same is true in Mexico as I have had two Mexican friends that lost their property right there in PP.

Jungle Jim said:

I think the same is true in Mexico as I have had two Mexican friends that lost their property right there in PP.

Arizona has "squatters rights" If the squatter has possessed the property and paid taxes then they may claim adverse possession after 3 years ARS 12-523, If the squatter has uninterruptedly possessed the property for 10 years ARS 12-526
joanC
Jungle Jim said:

I think the same is true in Mexico as I have had two Mexican friends that lost their property right there in PP.


Tell us more details about this.
Old55
Jungle Jim said:

And plenty of heartburn...................

Do a Goggle search on "FISH MAWS".

You won't believe what those primitive recent cave dwelling animistic religion imagined cure all that those squatters use "FISH MAWS" for.

Small packages are online and for sale here in the FUSA for hundreds of dollars.

From what I have read the tasteless dried ground up maws are reconstituted into a soup or broth that more than anything else resembles the sex lubricant known as KY Jelly.

They seem to rub and slather it on anything from the top of a bald head, all wrinkles from head to toe, instant erection juice, armpit and crotch de-odorizer to just a "feel-good" addition to their daily diet.

Man am I glad that they make almost all of the "modern" farmacia products that we pay so dearly for to include the Woo-Floo Clot-Shot.

joanC said:

Tell us more details about this.

remember that woman on the Forum that lost her house to the charming grifter of a “handyman” …nice house too
CheddarBob
richwi said:

Arizona has "squatters rights" If the squatter has possessed the property and paid taxes then they may claim adverse possession after 3 years ARS 12-523, If the squatter has uninterruptedly possessed the property for 10 years ARS 12-526

Absolute bullshit in my eyes.
Stuart
Old55 said:

remember that woman on the Forum that lost her house to the charming grifter of a “handyman” …nice house too

Sheryl Story was her name and the house had been their family for many years
CheddarBob
Stuart said:

Sheryl Story was her name and the house had been their family for many years

Terrible
Old55
Stuart said:

Sheryl Story was her name and the house had been their family for many years

Stewart do you remember the outcome?
Old55
https://www.rockypointtalk.com/threads/francisco.4485/page-2#post-66603
Found it…Francisco ! what a snake
MIRAMAR
US navy may use their dolphins to locate Vaquita : https://qz.com/877715/the-us-navy-is-training-its-genius-mine-hunting-dolphins-to-help-save-the-endangered-vaquita-porpoise
Old55
MIRAMAR said:

Awesome!
Old55
It is hard not to hate China.Their arrogance even surpasses ours.
Jungle Jim
Shit man, that story is six years old.

The program was dropped after several Vaquitas died of fright as they thought the dolphins were predators hunting them down to eat.
Jungle Jim
Old55 said:

It is hard not to hate China.Their arrogance even surpasses ours.


Where on earth do you think they got their fucking arrogance?? As in "most favored nation" as per our own gub-mint building them up to where they are now. No doubt the "Big Guy" has had his finger in the pie for at least fifty years.
MIRAMAR
Ah sorry. Didn't see the article date. Seemed like a good idea
Jungle Jim
Time to batten down the hatches and clean out your rain barrels boys and girls and its.

Adrian is on her way north with 80 mph winds and her little brother/sister/it is getting frisky further down south.

The Big Guy is probably on his secret direct sat phone to El Jefe Chinky Dinky to prepare to seed the clouds in order to deliver another "climate change" un-natural disaster.
MIRAMAR
Looks like Adrian won't hit Penasco, but hopefully will start the monsoons in Arizona

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/eastern-pacific/2023/post-tropical-cyclone-adrian
Old55
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cocaine-marijuana-jellyfish-cartels-muscle-in-on-new-export-business
Good story…
MIRAMAR
“Worrisomely, the Lopez Obrador administration eviscerated the budgetary and personnel resources of Mexican government regulatory environmental agencies. Even before it came to power, many environmental agencies were weak, lacking mandates, rangers, and resources for enforcement against environmental crimes and were pervaded by corruption, but this traditionally weak enforcement has become essentially non-existent,”

Sad story- I was wondering why I hadn't seen any cannonball jellies in the water.
Last edited: Jul 11, 2023 at 8:46 AM
Jungle Jim
The Kartel and Sea Shepard are finally working together.

Just waiting to be required to purchase a "tourist permit" to enter PP.
audsley
Old55 said:

I read it on my Apple news feed. Hopefully this gets some interest from other news organizations.
Old55
audsley said:

I read it on my Apple news feed. Hopefully this gets some interest from other news organizations.

This summer they are not catching them in Santo Tomas fish camps …not sure if this is the reason
joanC
From the beach in Mirador we have not seen a dolphin in a few months. Are they still in these parts and we're just missing them?
joanC
See the pic of the mutilated seal on the beach near Encantame Towers? Maybe viewable at Rocky Point Mexico Friends
Old55
MIRAMAR said:

“Worrisomely, the Lopez Obrador administration eviscerated the budgetary and personnel resources of Mexican government regulatory environmental agencies. Even before it came to power, many environmental agencies were weak, lacking mandates, rangers, and resources for enforcement against environmental crimes and were pervaded by corruption, but this traditionally weak enforcement has become essentially non-existent,”

Sad story- I was wondering why I hadn't seen any cannonball jellies in the water.

I thought that too but think it is more of a nature thing…..just a down year
Old55
Hammer time ? (Remember around 1970 when we had a lot of them around ?)
well it looks like the hammer is coming down !
https://www.animalpolitico.com/verificacion-de-hechos/te-explico/vaquita-marina-estados-unidos-biden
AZRob
Old55 said:

Hammer time ? (Remember around 1970 when we had a lot of them around ?)
well it looks like the hammer is coming down !
https://www.animalpolitico.com/verificacion-de-hechos/te-explico/vaquita-marina-estados-unidos-biden

How did you post this?

Can you do pics?
Old55
Rob, copy and paste…so….if you have twitter account you could post fish pictures then share the twitter tweet link ( or whatever that idiot calls a tweet now …an X pression ? )