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Border Wall

Started by TICO-T · Jun 23, 2020 · 34 replies
TICO-T
Saw on the news that Martha McSally and Trump were in Yuma today. Martha said this wall you prevent cartel activity. Does she and Trump think the cartel guys walk through the desert between the USA and Mexico? They drive Cadillac's and new SUV's with all the proper documents. The wall is a total waste of money.
PintoPoint
Saw the wall being build on highway 2 last month. From all the news I thought it was going to be an eyesore but I was surprised how awesome it looked. When you are close you can see the mountains through it and from afar it blends into the scenery. Double layer in most places. Not many could get through it.
ernesto
What about the Mexican ladder?
Petrose
I've worked rescued in this southern border over 25 years, the wall makes a big difference.
randy and patty
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TICO-T
How does the wall stop the cartels from traveling between Mexico and the USA in 2020










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Queen of Kings
TICO-T said:

Saw on the news that Martha McSally and Trump were in Yuma today. Martha said this wall you prevent cartel activity. Does she and Trump think the cartel guys walk through the desert between the USA and Mexico? They drive Cadillac's and new SUV's with all the proper documents. The wall is a total waste of money.

With your logic, you don't have doors, windows or locks on your hovel right? You really don't understand that the Wall is just one of many tools to slow down the drugs and slave trade coming in from Mexico? In your mind are solutions all or nothing?
TICO-T
Slave trade? Do I have slaves in my neighborhood in Buckeye, AZ? So the drugs are carried on foot through the desert? You are as goofy as Trump!
ron
What does this have to do with Puerto Penasco?
rplarry
TICO-T said:

Slave trade? Do I have slaves in my neighborhood in Buckeye, AZ? So the drugs are carried on foot through the desert? You are as goofy as Trump!


Goofy ? Who’s the looney tune asking questions ?

I have a buddy who is with BP on the south eastern Az border, and hell yes the drug mules smuggle drugs through the middle of the desert all the time. And they traffic people, meaning illegals

brokenwave
As long as there is demand for drugs in the US and consumption remains mostly illegal, the Cartel will find a way to bring it here.
Pretty clever bunch of thugs. The wall will slow some of the flow down mainly in places where there isn't much of a barrier now.

Way to beat the Cartel is to legalize/decriminalize drugs or figure out a way to have people stop wanting them.
The first choice is doable but will take 10-20 years to accomplish, the 2nd is the Elephant in the room nobody wants to see.
(FYI: I think it's OK for people to use Alcohol and some drugs occasionally, if they consume you I have a problem with that).

Politicians and others say "We need to stop the flow of drugs" that = major $$ for law enforcement/prisons/court systems,
medical treatment, counseling, drug treatment and the list goes on. (same goes for Alcohol)
For the many, many Billions of $$ that brings in the Elephant will never be seen.
Roberto
The interesting thing about human use of mood altering substances is that there is good evidence that use has occurred, throughout human evolution. History is peppered with people who were addicts but also some of the most productive and creative people. Maybe we need to acknowledge that we are never going to stop the use and learn to ride the horse better. Were things worse when opium, heroin, cocaine were legal? Were things better when Prohibition was in force? The destructive aspects of drug abuse are not caused by the presence of the drugs, rather by social and familial issues that create demand and that education can at least reduce significantly . We cannot stop illicit drug use but I believe we can reduce it to a less destructive level. Now please hand me that glass of Merlot.
Last edited: Jun 24, 2020 at 8:53 AM
Landshark
Roberto said:

The interesting thing about human use of mood altering substances is that there is good evidence that use has occurred, throughout human evolution. History is peppered with people who were addicts but also some of the most productive and creative people. Maybe we need to acknowledge that we are never going to stop the use and learn to ride the horse better. Were things worse when opium, heroin, cocaine were legal? Were things better when Prohibition was in force? The destructive aspects of drug abuse are not caused by the presence of the drugs, rather by social and familial issues that create demand and that education can at least reduce significantly . We cannot stop illicit drug use but I believe we can reduce it to a less destructive level. Now please hand me that glass of Merlot.

Education and more education, starting at an early age.
Mexico Joe
Landshark said:

Education and more education, starting at an early age.


X's A MILLION
Mexico Joe
Alcohol is one of the most toxic and unstable molecules this earth has ever seen. The classification of Alcohol and Drugs has done a disservice to the citizens of the US. Alcohol is a drug. Period. The difference should not be distinguished. That was done on purpose. Education leads to understanding. Alcohol is one of, if not the most dangerous drug on Earth.

Hamilton Morris might help you to understand DRUGS. A molecular chemist who can synthesize any compound on earth explains that alcohol is a drug and one of the most unstable molecular compounds you can put in your body. Highly toxic.

Drugs are not the problem. Fear and poor education are. Maybe throw in Christianity too.

Queen of Kings
Mexico Joe said:

Alcohol is one of the most toxic and unstable molecules this earth has ever seen. The classification of Alcohol and Drugs has done a disservice to the citizens of the US. Alcohol is a drug. Period. The difference should not be distinguished. That was done on purpose. Education leads to understanding. Alcohol is one of, if not the most dangerous drug on Earth.

Hamilton Morris might help you to understand DRUGS. A molecular chemist who can synthesize any compound on earth explains that alcohol is a drug and one of the most unstable molecular compounds you can put in your body. Highly toxic.

Drugs are not the problem. Fear and poor education are. Maybe throw in Christianity too.



Yup, and directly responsible for millions of deaths every year. So many people love alcohol that we don't speak of such things. aka The elephant in the room.
Maduro steve
Mexico Joe said:

Alcohol is one of the most toxic and unstable molecules this earth has ever seen. The classification of Alcohol and Drugs has done a disservice to the citizens of the US. Alcohol is a drug. Period. The difference should not be distinguished. That was done on purpose. Education leads to understanding. Alcohol is one of, if not the most dangerous drug on Earth.

Hamilton Morris might help you to understand DRUGS. A molecular chemist who can synthesize any compound on earth explains that alcohol is a drug and one of the most unstable molecular compounds you can put in your body. Highly toxic.

Drugs are not the problem. Fear and poor education are. Maybe throw in Christianity too.



And who runs the schools
Mexico Joe
Maduro steve said:

And who runs the schools


No, I think you misunderstood. We're talking about informal education. AKA culture. Your parents. People around you. The government. Has nothing to do with traditional education. They don't teach about drugs in school for or against. I did have one DARE class back in 1996 in sixth grade but that was the last time drugs were ever mentioned in school. Aside from, please don't bring them to school.
Mexico Joe
Maduro steve said:

And who runs the schools


Steve, you're not very smart are you? I'm sure you're a good man but nuance isn't your thing...
Mexico Joe
When we talk about poor education we mean when Steve's parents told him TO JUST SAY NO!!!! It's basically the Catholic equivalent of your dead uncle is watching you when you masterbate so don't masterbate, it's a sin!
Maduro steve
I went to both government run schools and Catholic , typical of M J to a talk down to folks it must make you fell good about yourself, you never disappoint old man .
Mexico Joe
Maduro steve said:

I went to both government run schools and Catholic , typical of M J to a talk down to folks it must make you fell good about yourself, you never disappoint old man .


I don't like to but when a man can't read between the lines maybe that man shouldn't be in educated conversations. The problem is we have to explain every line to you and then it just slows down the grown ups. Sorry sir. I guess they're right, we've all lost respect for our elders. I hate 22 year olds. What's new? It's 2020.
dirtsurfer
Mexico Joe said:

No, I think you misunderstood. We're talking about informal education. AKA culture. Your parents. People around you. The government. Has nothing to do with traditional education. They don't teach about drugs in school for or against. I did have one DARE class back in 1996 in sixth grade but that was the last time drugs were ever mentioned in school. Aside from, please don't bring them to school.

It’s endemic in our society and taught subliminally to us at a very young age when we watch our parents drink, celebrate and eventuallly teach us Without trying that you cannot possibly have a good time unless you are drinking. The advertisements all tell us that we Will have a rip-roaring time watching sports if we are drinking-don’t be a bore, drink! Alcohol is far worse problem in our society than any other drug And the only drug you are chastised for not partaking in.
Queen of Kings
dirtsurfer said:

It’s endemic in our society and taught subliminally to us at a very young age when we watch our parents drink, celebrate and eventuallly teach us Without trying that you cannot possibly have a good time unless you are drinking. The advertisements all tell us that we Will have a rip-roaring time watching sports if we are drinking-don’t be a bore, drink! Alcohol is far worse problem in our society than any other drug And the only drug you are chastised for not partaking in.

And those facts will not change in our life time. It was tried 100 years ago and failed miserably. Much like the 'war on drugs' has been a miserable failure for the last 50 years. People want drugs, and will break as many laws as they need to in order to use those drugs.
dirtsurfer
Queen of Kings said:

And those facts will not change in our life time. It was tried 100 years ago and failed miserably. Much like the 'war on drugs' has been a miserable failure for the last 50 years. People want drugs, and will break as many laws as they need to in order to use those drugs.

I am thinking all drugs might be legalized. It might be a shit slide at first but I lean towards letting people do what they want. Hell, after 50 years of the war on drugs the drugs are more readily available on the street than ever anyway.
brokenwave
It's going to take a generation for this to happen, really need all the people aged 50 and up to retire from decision making positions.
Then tax the crap out of it and then figure out how to manage people out and about, high from Drugs and Alcohol and the aftermath.
It's a cluster either way.
Maduro steve
brokenwave said:

It's going to take a generation for this to happen, really need all the people aged 50 and up to retire from decision making positions.
Then tax the crap out of it and then figure out how to manage people out and about, high from Drugs and Alcohol and the aftermath.
It's a cluster either way.

The problem is the government is in charge of the money and we all know how they love to spend other people's money .
Queen of Kings
dirtsurfer said:

I am thinking all drugs might be legalized. It might be a shit slide at first but I lean towards letting people do what they want. Hell, after 50 years of the war on drugs the drugs are more readily available on the street than ever anyway.

I hope that happens sooner rather than later. All the idiots killing themselves will clear up the gene pool quite a bit.
Casablanca
Queen of Kings said:

With your logic, you don't have doors, windows or locks on your hovel right? You really don't understand that the Wall is just one of many tools to slow down the drugs and slave trade coming in from Mexico? In your mind are solutions all or nothing?

You are implying that his house came without doors and windows and he had to get a loan from his family (taxpayers) to add them after-the-fact.
richwi
Just an opinion..The Mafia didn't go away when prohibition ended, they just found other enterprises. It will be the same with the cartels and drugs. They'll just find something else. That being said, the entire "war on drugs" was no better a strategy than the war in Vietnam. N possibility of winning and a waste of millions of dollars.
CheddarBob
Does Avocados ring a bell?
MIRAMAR
Mexican limes
Queen of Kings
Casablanca said:

You are implying that his house came without doors and windows and he had to get a loan from his family (taxpayers) to add them after-the-fact.

Why would someone buy a house with doors and windows if they don't believe they work? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.
Roberto
CheddarBob said:

Does Avocados ring a bell?

Yea one of the other things they found.
dirtsurfer
brokenwave said:

It's going to take a generation for this to happen, really need all the people aged 50 and up to retire from decision making positions.
Then tax the crap out of it and then figure out how to manage people out and about, high from Drugs and Alcohol and the aftermath.
It's a cluster either way.

It will certainly be a shit show for a few years but I am for it. Hell, if you want a great rush just snort some wasabe-pewrfectly leagal and guaranteed to take you to a new place