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Started by Roberto · Apr 10, 2019 · 69 replies
Roberto
CMV Reveals Puerto Peñasco Program on Astoria
April 10, 2019


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Cruise and Maritime Voyages (CMV) today announced the first-ever cruise sailing from Puerto Peñasco – Rocky Point on the 550-guest Astoria.
The exciting news offers travelers an authentic and memorable way to explore the splendid Sea of Cortez with the introduction of its new 12-day soft expedition cruise program that is part of CMV’s new “Voyages of Exploration” collection, the company said.
CMV’s Treasures of the Sea of Cortez will sail round-trip from Puerto Peñasco to distinctive ports of call in Sonora, Sinaloa, and Baja California Sur including: Puerto Topolobampo, Mazatlan, Cabo San Lucas, La Paz, Loreto, Santa Rosalia, and Guaymas.
The itinerary also offers Arizonians the unique opportunity to embark on a cruise from their closest sailing port, located just a few hours drive from Phoenix and Tucson.
“This is an exciting project that we have been very much looking forward to announcing together with the Mexican states of Baja California Sur and Sonora and the state of Arizona – the first opportunity to cruise from Puerto Peñasco – Rocky Point! Our new Treasures of the Sea of Cortez voyage takes travelers to discover some of the best kept secret destinations of Mexico from a beautiful seaside town conveniently located just outside Arizona,” said John Dennis, VP, Sales and Marketing for CMV USA.
"Additionally, we are pleased to share that with countless local drive-to opportunities, as well as superb airlift into Phoenix and Tuscon, we have already started to see great interest from many markets, including the UK that has non-stop service into Phoenix.”
Chris Coates, Group Commercial Director of CMV commented: “The largely undiscovered pristine waters of the Sea of Cortez present the Group’s first foray into the soft expedition cruise sector, inaugurating our new ‘Voyages of Exploration’ collection. In tandem, CMV’s Astoria that will perform the program offers a unique, classic boutique style and an authentic cruise experience, supported by an enrichment program and supplemented by classical and more popular themed entertainment. Carrying a compliment of just 500 mainly North American and Mexican guests, and structured as an ‘inclusive’ sailing brimming with inclusions, further provides for attractive price points and a great value proposition. Our mid-term aim is to introduce a wide array of ‘Voyages of Exploration’ programs to other parts of the world too.”
Structured as an “inclusive” cruise, Treasures of the Sea of Cortez includes the cruise program and accommodations category selected, all shipboard gratuities, immersive and enriching lecture series throughout the cruise and house beer and wine included with lunches and dinner onboard.
The program is available for departures on select dates in December 2019 and in January and February of 2020 with rates starting at $1,599 USD per person.
Queen of Kings
I have been on many cruises and this ship looks like something from the 80's. I guess its a start.
Hobie Vern
Queen of Kings said:
I have been on many cruises and this ship looks like something from the 80's. I guess its a start.

How about the 40's. I think it first sailed in 1946??
brokenwave
It sank the Andrea Doria in 1956. It was the MS Stockholm originally in 1946, Vern is correct.
Cabins are small compared to newer cruise ships.
Landshark
It’s the oldest cruise ship in the world, but what the hell, I like antiques!
Landshark
brokenwave said:
It sank the Andrea Doria in 1956. It was the MS Stockholm originally in 1946, Vern is correct.
Cabins are small compared to newer cruise ships.

Needed a little body work after the collision...29B3DF1D-B14E-4687-97EA-E89641CBFCB7.jpeg
Hobie Vern
They must have had some kind of bilge pumps!
CheddarBob
Bilge pumps and compartments
Roberto
UK Cruise Line to Open Cruise Port in Arizon April 11, 2019



(10:28 a.m. EDT) -- Los Angeles has Long Beach, and Houston has Galveston. Now Phoenix and Tucson have an embarkation port to call their own: Puerto Penasco.
Never heard of it? Welcome to the club. But at a press conference during Seatrade Cruise Global, the cruise industry's annual event in Miami, British cruise line Cruise & Maritime Voyages shared how they hope to change that.
Also known as Rocky Point, the Mexican town is located at the top of the Gulf of California, 60 miles south of the U.S. border and about 200 miles by car from Phoenix and Tucson. It has long had a following among "Zonies," who head to the town for inexpensive seaside margaritas and cervezas.
Next winter, Cruise & Maritime Voyages will put Puerto Penasco on the map for small-ship cruises through the Sea of Cortez. The cruise line will offer six identical 11-night itineraries out of Puerto Penasco starting December 7, 2019, visiting destinations on both sides of the Gulf, including Topolobampo, Mazatlan, Cabo San Lucas, La Paz, Loreto, Santa Rosalia and Guaymas.
"This is an exciting project that we have been looking forward to announcing together with the Mexican states of Baja California Sur, Sinaloa and Sonora, and the state of Arizona," explained John Dennis, vice president of sales and marketing for Cruise & Maritime Voyages USA. Dennis says all four states have been instrumental in making the cruises happen.
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The itineraries will be conducted aboard Astoria, an older 550-passenger vessel that normally spends most of the year sailing the British Isles and Northern Europe. Astoria is not a luxury ship, and although half of the ports (including Puerto Penasco) will be accessed by tender, Dennis was careful not to classify the Sea of Cortez cruises as a pure expedition experience.
"We're not heavily expedition oriented, and the cruises target travelers age 55-plus," he explained. "It's a soft expedition and immersion program, and the ship has everything you would expect from a large cruise ship as far as amenities. You've got your spa, salon, casino, and lecture series, and the cabins are a good size." Astoria's Sea of Cortez cruises are semi-inclusive, with gratuities included, along with beer and wine at meals; no children are allowed.
The line's typical clientele is predominantly British, but Dennis says he is expecting the Sea of Cortez itineraries to draw 65 to 70 percent of its passengers from Arizona, supplemented by a British contingent, who can now reach Phoenix on two daily flights. Bookings for the cruises opened in the UK in January, and more than 10 percent of the cabins have been sold, according to Dennis. Rates start at $1,599 per person.
Since there are no scheduled commercial flights into Puerto Penasco, coach transfers will be available from both Phoenix and Tucson, and the line is working with customs officials to expedite border crossings.
Of particular interest to Mexico fans will be calls on Topolobampo, the western gateway to the famed Copper Canyon railway. The port has been off the calendar for most cruise lines for much of the last few years, although Holland America's Maasdam will be making two calls in April 2020.
Astoria will arrive in Topolobampo at 5 a.m. and stay in port until midnight, allowing passengers ample time to take in the full Copper Canyon rail experience.
Roberto
And the beat goes on !! A few more details here:

https://www.travelagentcentral.com/cruises/cmv-s-first-ever-cruise-line-to-sail-from-puerto-penasco
brokenwave
Well, this thing isn't off to being the success story that everyone/some hoped for. Per RP360 cruises are only averaging being 30% booked.
The Promoters are launching a big advertising campaign this fall to try to get the numbers up to 60%. Article mentions next season 2021
might not happen without it selling better than it has. Stay tuned.
https://rockypoint360.com/first-sea-of-cortez-cruise-sets-reservation-goal-at-60/
Roberto
Article is a little deceptive, in fairness to the Cruise Line. First cruise is apparently sold out and there are 9 more scheduled through the next 60 days or so. I did not realize they packed them in back to back over a relatively short time period.
brokenwave
Why would the tourism president say that it's only averaging 30%?
Wouldn't it make more sense, to hype it up more to drive up peoples interest and more reservations?

It would be nice if they got this going and stable so it could help drive some employment gains and provide some much
needed tax $$ for the city to spend on things that are sorely needing help. Water, sewer, roads and trash, the list goes on.
My opinion is, if it does well, Great. If it fails, Another missed opportunity for Penasco.
MIRAMAR
The cruise ship is on it's way!
https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304

https://www.facebook.com/cometorockypoint/photos/a.244430685598342/3428910060483706/?type=3&theater
Bklynborn
MIRAMAR said:
The cruise ship is on it's way!
https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304

https://www.facebook.com/cometorockypoint/photos/a.244430685598342/3428910060483706/?type=3&theater
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Bklynborn
Cruise Shiphttps://youtu.be/SQlHmvtSSio
MIRAMAR
Yesterday it was by Guatamala, today by Acapulco.
Roberto
I hope the pirates working down there do not get it !!
MIRAMAR
Docked in Manzanillo now- it's getting closer! https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304
BeachyKeen
MIRAMAR said:

Docked in Manzanillo now- it's getting closer! https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304

Wow I never thought it was really going to happen. I am assuming they will see how the first run goes before making further bookings , I saw on the website this month was the only option thus far. I have heard conflicting things about what active cruise ship ports do to Mexican cities so I hope whatever happens is good for PP , most importantly the people
MIRAMAR
It's supposed to leave on 1/11, and it just left Mazatlan- hope it makes it! https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304
Last edited: Jan 5, 2020 at 6:58 PM
CheddarBob
Chug chug chug chug
IggyAZ
Pictures please.
MIRAMAR
In the Sea of Cortez! https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304

https://rockypoint360.com/preparing-for-historic-astoria-cruise-launch-from-puerto-penasco/
joester
I'm looking forward to the pictures of the tenders leaving port, and the ship anchored out in the bay - should be historic.
Hopefully someone posts pics here - the ship lit up at night should be pretty cool to see.
also - detailed trip reports from someone taking the cruise would be great to read.
Kenny
joester said:

I'm looking forward to the pictures of the tenders leaving port, and the ship anchored out in the bay - should be historic.
Hopefully someone posts pics here - the ship lit up at night should be pretty cool to see.
also - detailed trip reports from someone taking the cruise would be great to read.

I too am interested in seeing how and where they access the tenders. It looks like our new fishing breakwater is safe.:cool:
mondone
I'm hearing possibly the EcoFun is going to be used as the tender maybe???
MIRAMAR
Wow, past Isla Tiburon, should be in Penasco tomorrow! https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304
mexicoruss
Astoria arrived on time 1-8-20, we are attending a sold out gala event on board today for a tour and a show and 3 course meal, I will post a few pictures of the boat later but here's a good shot by Blanca from this morningastoria 1-8-20.jpg
mexicoruss
IMG-20200105-WA0002.jpgLunch today.
mexicoruss
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lunch was fantastic

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Wednesday morning shot taken from Sandy beach by Eric just after she arrived.
ernesto
How did they do with sales? I imagine it cost a bit to float that boat over here. Heard some haters say sales were dismal.
mexicoruss
I heard 490 on the first. I talked to ??? and he said this is an investment.....it wont make any money this year for sure but it shows what you can do when many parts work together for a common goal...my take is you can sit on the sideline and poo poo the whole thing and YOU get nothing. That's easiest to do...but if you want positive changes or if you want to accomplish goals....you gotta work and risk and ignore the hater folk that sit around doing nothing. They may do it in 2020.2021 or they may not...but they are trying and it is a beautiful ship and I am sure that the people going on these explorations will have an awesome experience!
mexicoruss
ernesto said:

How did they do with sales? I imagine it cost a bit to float that boat over here. Heard some haters say sales were dismal.

most haters are hoping for a fail...then they can post all about it and feel good about their miserable selves...I prefer forward motion not reverse...
Mexico Joe
1/8/2020 A DAY THAT WILL FOREVER LIVE IN INFAMY.
Mexico Joe
mexicoruss said:

most haters are hoping for a fail...then they can post all about it and feel good about their miserable selves...I prefer forward motion not reverse...



Hey Russ, just an outsider observation. Every time you comment on this forum for I'd say the last two years give or take, all I hear is sarcasm and to be honest, you come across angry. If you are angry that's fine too. Just saying. Kind of sounds like you're talking about yourself.

I guess I've been a natural born hater since the day I was born. I got it from my father. He's a natural at calling bullshit too. He used to throw the bullshit flag on people all the time. We just see things objectively I guess. Come to think of it, I was HATER OF THE YEAR 4 years in a row. If calling this Cruise Ship Port a disaster makes me a hater, then throw my name in the pot for HTY again this year. Just because a ship has sailed out of this disaster doesn't make it not a disaster. Money went missing. Project was delayed for 8 years, cement blocks stand stacked up over in that yard. Work still has not resumed on the port and it's hardly finished. The cruise ship port can be both of these things. A disaster that just watched it's first ship depart!

For the record and for my dear friend Russ. May he have it in his heart to forgive my hating soul.

I WAS WRONG. A ship has SAILED from Rocky Point on January 8, 2020....


Now if Russ can give me credit for predicting this disaster wouldn't get a ship until 2020... I really don't want to search through 8 years of forum posts to find my quote. But a HATER GON HATE!!!! So I might have to! hehe

Happy New Year RUSTY!
mexicoruss
the cruise ship port and the new cruise are not the same...by far...hate on bro...
Mexico Joe
mexicoruss said:

the cruise ship port and the new cruise are not the same...by far...hate on bro...


So then you do agree that the cruise ship PORT is a disaster? Cool.
Kenny
Mexico Joe said:

So then you do agree that the cruise ship PORT is a disaster? Cool.

Except for our fishing Jetty, because it gets better every day.
Stuart
All is good until the first chubasco.
mexicoruss
Mexico Joe said:

So then you do agree that the cruise ship PORT is a disaster? Cool.

The cruise port was a debacle. Somebody got it started and there was no blah blah to finish it. Its sad that people have to be such jackasses but they are...everywhere I do business. The cruise ship is a private company and does not rely on the port project .....it is a start not an end...but they are doing something.
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ernesto
You know what? I would prefer the cruise doesn't wad up the old port, the border, the restaurants etc. But it's not all about me. The local economy can use a boost. And it's not about saving the local dogs. Save the people. As I do in other places, avoid the port when the ship is in because the prices rise. Be nice.
Kenny
Really, not one picture of the boarding or what kind of tender they used and where, but we have people complaining about not being able to get a toddy at Manny's?
Waiting
Kenny said:

Really, not one picture of the boarding or what kind of tender they used and where, but we have people complaining about not being able to get a toddy at Manny's?

Here is a bit of the activity. At least you get to see the tenders.
Mexico Joe
ernesto said:

You know what? I would prefer the cruise doesn't wad up the old port, the border, the restaurants etc. But it's not all about me. The local economy can use a boost. And it's not about saving the local dogs. Save the people. As I do in other places, avoid the port when the ship is in because the prices rise. Be nice.



Don't always assume the trickle down theory will work. I don't necessarily see how this will improve the local economy as much as the boosters claim. 11 days at sea. So what, 1 or 2 nights in Rocky Point? The poor person won't see a dollar from this. The upper class Mexican that can afford to buy a little house and put it on Air BnB might fair alright. The airport was supposed to boost tourism too... You know what would help the common man more than this deal? Jobs. I see call centers are popular in TJ right now because of the influx of Mexicans who grew up in the states but got deported. Speak two languages. Decent earning compared to the Mexican minimum wage. There's only so many bar tending jobs in RP. Las Palomas brought jobs until it didn't when they laid everyone off... I bet other people got rich off of LP though. Just depends on which side of the coin you grew up on. The haves and the have nots. Any opportunity is better than no opportunity but I just don't see this as the big winner for the people.
Roberto
I agree completely with Joe. It seems to me unless they are re provisioning here the effects on the local economy will be modest and go to mostly the upper levels of income folk. Seems clear that there are no job opportunities on the ship itself. It may bring new visitors to Penasco who will return to vacation and it may bring potential home buyers and have an economic effect this way. But as Joe said, trickle down is just a trickle, most staying at the top. Jobs are the key. And not boom jobs. Opportunity is better than a job for those willing to take it. Poverty is crushing. Like being into the clay gumbo up to your hips and trying to walk.

I hope my style of writing in diction and form of delivery is not slightly less than pretentious and somehow offensive for a message board . Now clearly Joe is rushing to the lead in being offensive. !!!!
Last edited: Jan 12, 2020 at 10:37 AM
Roberto
I will make a prediction that if this cruise venture is successful that there will soon be powerful competition and regulations that favor this competition will be passed and the Astoria will go down in the history of Penasco.
MIRAMAR
It's in Cabo now: https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304
audsley
I was hoping someone with a video camera and an observant eye would be on hand for the assembly at the ferries and tendering to the ship. I'd guess it took several hours to board all the passengers and their luggage. How did the crowd seem to handle it? The logistics seemed really challenging to me, but then I've never been on a cruise.
mexicoruss
audsley said:

I was hoping someone with a video camera and an observant eye would be on hand for the assembly at the ferries and tendering to the ship. I'd guess it took several hours to board all the passengers and their luggage. How did the crowd seem to handle it? The logistics seemed really challenging to me, but then I've never been on a cruise.

490 people plus luggage. When we went on board the other day it was 15 mins to board the tender 15 mins to Astoria 15 mins to get off the tender and then 15 back to Marina...it was easy. 100 people at a time. Maru the boat owner deployed 2 tenders so it was extremely efficient. For those on Astoria first..wine and snacks were waiting for them. It was all handled very well and the reports coming from passengers that I know they are all having a blast.
Kenny
PP finally has it's cruise ship in spite of the breakwater scam. Ha, they could have done the same thing years ago.
Last edited: Jan 12, 2020 at 7:46 PM
MIRAMAR
CEDO is on board also to talk about the Sea of Cortez ecology and culture- about 200 cruisers attended the first talk on board!
Last edited: Jan 12, 2020 at 5:06 PM
MIRAMAR
In Mazatlan tonight https://www.cruisemapper.com/?imo=5383304
richwi
Kenny said:

PP finally has it's cruise ship in spite of the breakwater scam. Ha, they could have done the same thing years ago.

Yes, it could have been done years ago, but Rocky Point isn't the one that makes that decisions, it's the cruise lines. I feel certain that if some cruise lines had wanted to do it previously it would have happened, but none of them did. You can be sure the reason that no one has done it before this is that the various cruise lines felt there was more money to be made elsewherre
Kenny
richwi said:

Yes, it could have been done years ago, but Rocky Point isn't the one that makes that decisions, it's the cruise lines. I feel certain that if some cruise lines had wanted to do it previously it would have happened, but none of them did. You can be sure the reason that no one has done it before this is that the various cruise lines felt there was more money to be made elsewherre

The only sure thing is they didn't start looking for that option till they drained the money for the breakwater. I said "they", not the city.
audsley
Anyone know if there's another cruise scheduled for after this one? Somewhere I got the idea this is the only cruise scheduled for this winter.
Southbeacher
audsley said:

Anyone know if there's another cruise scheduled for after this one? Somewhere I got the idea this is the only cruise scheduled for this winter.

There were originally a number of cruises scheduled for fall / winter, but lack of response brought it down to this one. There really hadn’t been much of an advertising campaign, which could be the problem rather than lack of interest. In any case, at this point any repeat performance seems to be up to the cruise line.
mexicoruss
Southbeacher said:

There were originally a number of cruises scheduled for fall / winter, but lack of response brought it down to this one. There really hadn’t been much of an advertising campaign, which could be the problem rather than lack of interest. In any case, at this point any repeat performance seems to be up to the cruise line.

There are actually 2 more cruises already booked after this one returns home. The cruise line did most of their advertising through their channels that unless you are a cruiser on their list you probably didn't see. Having said that they did advertise in Phoenix as well as Tucson on TV and in paper. I would say that for a first ever cruise in the sea of Cortes and the amount of money the cruiseline invested to do it here that it went over well. I hope they decide to make it part of their inventory but like you said it is ultimately up to the line.
Southbeacher
mexicoruss said:

There are actually 2 more cruises already booked after this one returns home. The cruise line did most of their advertising through their channels that unless you are a cruiser on their list you probably didn't see. Having said that they did advertise in Phoenix as well as Tucson on TV and in paper. I would say that for a first ever cruise in the sea of Cortes and the amount of money the cruiseline invested to do it here that it went over well. I hope they decide to make it part of their inventory but like you said it is ultimately up to the line.

Yeah -- like I said, there are actually 2 more cruises already booked. (Okay, so I had no idea what I was talking about . . . ) 1579124700376.png Anyway, good to know there were more takers . . .
mexicoruss
The Rocky Point group said they had a great time on the Astoria on its first Treasures of the Sea of Cortes cruise. The second cruise left tonight for another 11 day tour. The individual ports of call really treated these new visitors super well.

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mexicoruss
Someone said they wanted a picture of how the tendering went, I found this one on EcoFuns page


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It was pretty easy

audsley
Thanks, Russ. Glad you were there to get us a visual.

Not being a cruiser myself, I'd assumed the passengers would board directly onto the deck like they do in the movies. Didn't know cruise ships had walk-in basements.

Trip Advisor isn't showing any reviews yet. I have friends leaving on the next cruise and anxiously await their report in mid-February. If it's positive, I'll consider going next year.
Terry C
I didn't go!
https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/destinations/2020/01/22/review-first-rocky-point-cruise-puerto-penasco-cruise-maritime-voyages-astoria-ship/4531034002/
audsley
Interesting report and no surprise to me. I'd expected they would need to get some bugs out the first couple of runs. And like the reviewer said, it's probably not for everybody. But that's OK, I'm not for everybody either.
joester
latest news says the ship will retire after the third cruise.
here's the link -
https://www.azcentral.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/01/27/mv-astoria-cruise-ship-retiring-andrea-doria-sinking-stockholm/4566443002/
brokenwave
If the cruise company found enough interest and was able to make $$ on the 3 cruises they launched this year.
Then maybe they will find a more modern ship to cruise next year. Time will tell.

Russ, thanks for sharing Eco's pic of the tendering.
Kenny
The reason the departure date was pushed back is that they still had work to do on it before it left port. In other words, pouring more money into it. If they had decided to park it permanently because of projected losses, what at this time would that be based on besides occupancy? In other words, what didn't they get what they were looking for? I was under the assumption that sales were good.
Something else is bothering. Why didn't Russ have a video of the departure? I mean, I've watched his videos of the opening of everything from a taco joint, to him interviewing an acquaintance of mine and asking if he knew he'd blasted the back window out of the Mayer of Puerto Penasco Suburban, from a rock thrown from his sprint car. But no, he doesn't have a video of something he's been cheerleading for how I don't know how long; close to a decade? What's up with that?
Last edited: Feb 3, 2020 at 8:10 PM
mexicoruss
What is your problem with me Kenny. I wasn't going to go out on a boat to watch a bigger boat float away. I posted about our personal experience on the boat the day before the inaugural launch, I posted about the ease of getting on and off the ship by tenders. This is still a big deal for Peñasco. I doubt I have been cheer leading about the Astoria for "I don't know how long" a decade since I didn't even know she was coming until early last year. Get rid of the hate or whatever it is Bro.
richwi
I read an interesting article that said that the cruise line is simply not renewing its charter with the ships owner. The owner will look for a new operator, but said that given the size and age of the ship it could be difficult. The recent work done on the ship was part of the charter contract that the owner had agreed to. Based on the contract and the built in tax advantages the owner carried out the contracted repairs and upgrades.
Kenny
mexicoruss said:

What is your problem with me Kenny. I wasn't going to go out on a boat to watch a bigger boat float away. I posted about our personal experience on the boat the day before the inaugural launch, I posted about the ease of getting on and off the ship by tenders. This is still a big deal for Peñasco. I doubt I have been cheer leading about the Astoria for "I don't know how long" a decade since I didn't even know she was coming until early last year. Get rid of the hate or whatever it is Bro.

Relax Russ. Why would you have to go out on the boat, or even think you had to? I said the "video of the departure" in my post above. But since you're thinking about the tender, in my mind and from that picture, and with the angle of the steps, I'm sure it was a daunting experience for more than a few. Why would you try to gage my comment in such a short time span by saying you only knew about this particular ship a year ago, when it should have been "pretty easy" for you to know I was talking about the whole time that I've been the naysayer, while you are the cheerleader on this subject The timeline I mentioned is accurate.

Russ, when you were blasting me some years ago for pointing out that the rock they first starting using for the Jetty wouldn't work, and why, you blasted me saying I was a naysayer and whatever else. Was that hate coming from you? "Get rid of the hate or whatever it is Bro."

Relax Russ. Simply, I like your videos and I watch them. I was disappointed that you didn't do a little on the spot video, like the ones you have created in the past. I teased you a little about not being Johny on the spot because, in my opinion, you do that kind of cheerleading video stuff pretty well. But you didn't, so really, what's really up with that?

I actually thought you'd get a kick out of thinking of that story about how Bobby blasted out the Mayor's Suburbans back window with his Sprint Car. It was almost as funny as what he said about the track.
Last edited: Feb 6, 2020 at 1:31 AM