....In addition to stopping all payments to these countries, which seem to have almost no control over their population, I must, in the strongest of terms, ask Mexico to stop this onslaught - and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!..
5:35 AM - Oct 18, 2018
We are driving to Mazatlan next week. There doesn't seem to be a problem going down and by the time we come back some of the problems should be solved.
They have crossed into Mexico and are heading our way.
“A caravan of Central American migrants marching into Mexico bound for the United States grew to more than 5,000 people Sunday despite threats from President Donald Trump to use the U.S. military to seal the border. They were cheered on by crowds on the Mexican side who shouted, "Venganse!" – Come on in! You can’t even walk, there’s just so many people. So far, they’re all peaceful, thank God.
They have crossed into Mexico and are heading our way.
“A caravan of Central American migrants marching into Mexico bound for the United States grew to more than 5,000 people Sunday despite threats from President Donald Trump to use the U.S. military to seal the border. They were cheered on by crowds on the Mexican side who shouted, "Venganse!" – Come on in! You can’t even walk, there’s just so many people. So far, they’re all peaceful, thank God.
Wait a minute, throwing rocks and bottles at Mexican police is considered peaceful?
Yeah, just read that report today. Nothing good about this for anyone. Ultimately there will be bad things happening and who knows what will happen if and when the now 7000 people reach the US border. Wouldn’t surprise me if that number grows significantly as the caravan travels through Mexico. There’s strength in numbers and those in Mexico wanting to go to the US will see this as an opportunity and jump on board.
Time to defend our borders from those not authorized to enter, oh wait, we tired that and failed as bad as Vietnam. Well Mexico, what are you going to do with all your new squatters that won't be able to enter the USA?
They won't do anything with them. they will be absorbed into the social system barely getting by like many there. The goal is to get to the US and receive section 8 housing , food stamps,free Obama cellphones, internet etc. Many are young females with a few children, no male to support them, perfect setup to game our system.
So these people...(I don't have a stand here) come to the USA from Honduras and (according to some) they already understand the complicated paperwork to get benefits....... that so many claim they come here for....... and the few Americans that decide to move to Mexico cant figure out how to get a CURP or a Drivers License or pay Hacienda taxes.......I think there might be a disconnect.....just sayin... dont believe everything you see on the world wide web...they are playing you!~
Same story from the same source, carried by another newspaper.
It's a good article, but you have to read it through to get a true understanding of the headline.
"Camarota said one of the most shocking findings from the report was the high number of native-born Americans also on welfare. About 76% of immigrant households with children are on welfare, but so are 52% of native-born households with children.
"Most people have a sense that if you were to work for $10 an hour, 40 hours a week, you couldn't be receiving welfare, could you? You couldn't be living in public housing, could you?" he said. "The answer is yes, you can. That's one of the most surprising things about this study."
They won't do anything with them. they will be absorbed into the social system barely getting by like many there. The goal is to get to the US and receive section 8 housing , food stamps,free Obama cellphones, internet etc. Many are young females with a few children, no male to support them, perfect setup to game our system.
Sounds like the ones here now and many I've came in contact with in the desert. Yeah I'm stupid too.
For those apparently trying to make a (political) point, I’ll refrain from responding on how immigration stats have absolutely nothing to do with existing law. Totally moot. After all, that would be a political argument, which is prohibited.
I am driving to Mazatlan for 10 days the 1st of Oct. Mazatlan Chat has nothing on it about the border. I guess they are all there and not going anywhere. Seeing how much traffic is going both ways in Nogales, it is hard to think of them closing the commercial border, It is not a walk across border. Any thoughts?
MexicoRuss,
In my earlier post, I wasn't talking about your post. Evidently you posted an instant before I did. I was referring to an exchange above yours that went like this:
Tico-T: Food stamps? Section 8 housing? Free Obama cellphones? You are a mental case. Really you are a nut job Ernesto: And YOU are naive, my friend! Tico-T: And you are stupid, very stupid. Obama cellphones??? You are the very stupid. Pathetic. Trump lover I'm sure.
THAT"S what got me wondering if anyone had seen the bouncer.
Some discussion of politics directly related to Mexico and U.S.-Mexico relations has a place here. How we go about it is important.
Been pretty quiet around here...well, here we go...
Trump sending 5200 US troops to “harden” the US border, in addition to the 2000 National Guard already deployed. Gonna be a good old-fashioned Mexican stand-off...you know...nobody wins...
Been pretty quiet around here...well, here we go...
Trump sending 5200 US troops to “harden” the US border, in addition to the 2000 National Guard already deployed. Gonna be a good old-fashioned Mexican stand-off...you know...nobody wins...
Fox News’ Shepard Smith debunks Trump’s migrant caravan rhetoric: ‘There is no invasion’
Just read about the "Irish Invasion" and how the Irish were vilified as subhuman. There have been several "immigrant invasions' and each wave breathed new life into the US economy and society. The new invasionistias ought to get a free weekend at one of you know who's resorts.
The word “invasion” is of course the key here, obviously used by design for a reason we can’t discuss on our forum any longer. It is, in my opinion, an inappropriate word to use as most people will think of definition number 1 when in reality definition number 2 is accurate. Dirty deal in my book.... wait, can I say that??
in·va·sion
noun
1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
3. an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
Just read about the "Irish Invasion" and how the Irish were vilified as subhuman. There have been several "immigrant invasions' and each wave breathed new life into the US economy and society. The new invasionistias ought to get a free weekend at one of you know who's resorts.
They are gonna get a free stay at a Trump tent city resort.
The word “invasion” is of course the key here, obviously used by design for a reason we can’t discuss on our forum any longer. It is, in my opinion, an inappropriate word to use as most people will think of definition number 1 when in reality definition number 2 is accurate. Dirty deal in my book.... wait, can I say that??
in·va·sion
noun
1. an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force.
2. an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity.
3. an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.
Actually you can make the argument that all 3 definitions are accurate in this case.
Actually you can make the argument that all 3 definitions are accurate in this case.
Very true however in an environment of which we are no longer permitted to discuss number one would be considered fear-mongering and I believe that is most people’s perception of the word.
Very true however in an environment of which we are no longer permitted to discuss number one would be considered fear-mongering and I believe that is most people’s perception of the word.
We can't talk about number 1 anymore? That's a pile of number 2.
I spoke to a friend who is in a fairly high position with US Customs and Border Protection. He told me a couple things that I do not think are political but more factual. 1-In the unlikely event the border is "closed" all US citizens with proper documentation will be allowed back into the US, it is possible there could be some delays. 2- It is not foreseen that the entire border will be "closed". It is anticipated that should a closure be ordered it would take place at specific locations. 3- As of now (Oct 28) it is not anticipated that Lukeville would be one of the specified locations 4- As of now (Oct 28) there has been no notification from the Mexican government that they are planning to close the border going in to Mexico. 5- Per US law any military troupes sent to the border would not be used in a policing or border enforcement role except in those specific situations allowed by the law. Military troupes would be used in support roles freeing up US CBP for required enforcement duties. I hope this was helpful. I do admit I have fairly strong feeling about this whole thing but they are better expressed elsewhere :)
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.
1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country,
2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in,
3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US,
4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,
5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language,
There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.
1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country,
2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in,
3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US,
4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,
5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language,
There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.
1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country,
2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in,
3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US,
4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,
5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language,
There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.
Your distinctions are fascinating. Please share more. Thank you.
For those comparing these modern day invasions to previous Irish and Italian immigrant waves there are a few distinctions.
1) The people were brought in a controlled manner to a designated US location (Ellis Island) where papers and health were checked. Those found to be ill were quarantined, treated and in some cases returned to their home country, Ellis Island did not open until 1900. The massive Irish and German Immigrant waves occurred well before that time. 1920 marks the beginning of Federal control over immigration. Only those in steerage, the lower decks. cheap seats, were inspected and detained for detailed inspection prior to being allowed into the country.. First and second class ticket holders had a only brief interview. The position of the US gov at the time was if they could afford first or second class they were OK. Prior to Ellis Island and Federal control of immigration, immigration was administered by the individual states and residency and citizenship generally required only a set term of physical presence in the country. There was no restriction on entry of Americans from other south of the US border.
Many went to Mexico and Canada and passed directly into the US.
2) none of them were burning the American flag on the way in, Apparently you know, or believe, that this actually occurred with the group under discussion . Assuming it did , is it appropriate to hold the entire group responsible if one person does something? If you are standing next to someone are you guilty of whatever action they make.??
3) none were waving the flag of their home country as they tried to enter the US, My neighbor flies an Italian flag every day because he is proud of his heritage. There are social clubs all over the US based on ethnicity. Do you see this as inappropriate?? Have you ever seen the St. Patricks Day parade in NYC? See 2 above.
4) all were proud of their new host country and strived to become American,
5) none isolated themselves in to their own areas and demanded their home language become the official US language, You need to read about the early Irish and Italian ghettos that the many thousands of new immigrants created. You need to read about the brutal Irish and Italian gangs that were prevalent . There is a great movie 'The Gangs of New York' you might enjoy viewing. They remained clannish and protected each other from attitudes of residents who resented them and accused them of taking away jobs. How some of those ethnic gangs evolved into political parties and were responsible for massive government corruption.
There are a few Dozen more distinct differences between then And now but I’ll stop as I’m not intending to inflame anyone here but just clarify there is a huge difference.
If you have any dis-stink-tions based on actual facts other than opinions or fantasies pass them on. We need to know the truth.
I'm gonna throw this out there. If you let politics dictate your friendships in life, you should probably reconsider who you call a friend.
Not worth it. Seriously. Despite what any of you may think, I have always considered everyone in this forum a friend, regardless of their political views. The common bond for me has always been fishing and a loving both the good and bad that is Viva Mexico.
It's the ONLY reason I've devoted years to try and keep this place what it is.
I appreciate your efforts for the forum. I hope you advise those below that violations will not be tolerated. They agreed as I recall. Let them play there. I do not care. Outright distortions of fact supporting political views are not good for this forum nor for the countries the US and Mexico.
I'm gonna throw this out there. If you let politics dictate your friendships in life, you should probably reconsider who you call a friend.
Not worth it. Seriously. Despite what any of you may think, I have always considered everyone in this forum a friend, regardless of their political views. The common bond for me has always been fishing and a loving both the good and bad that is Viva Mexico.
It's the ONLY reason I've devoted years to try and keep this place what it is.
Meh. Maybe I'm just stupid.
I would venture to say that the vast majority of folks agree and appreciate your efforts, Stuart (and Tyler). Only a few – who given rules and regs, and who sign on to those rules and regs -- then ignore the rules and regs. They interpret lack of response / argument to be acknowledgement of their self-made podium, when in reality they drive away those who are repulsed. Thank you for not caving and throwing the forum to the delinquents.
If we could create a filter from the brain to the mouth(or fingers), maybe we could separate and purify the sediments of hatred , hostility, derisiveness, antipathy, and resentment that are present in our country today.
Most new immigrant populations coming to the U.S. Have been vilified be they Irish, Italian, Polish...........the difference is in following the law or breaking the law and admittedly our immigration laws require a lot of work to clean them up. Remember that the U.S. , despite the negative image the libs will spin on this issue still accepts more immigrants from around the world than any other country. The U.S. is still in high demand from immigrants from everywhere in the world as a place to make a home (some of our local citizens should consider this thought). The biggest problem I see is partisan party politics whereby the government members of both of our loser parties vote what the party tells them to vote instead of voting for what is correct in their own conscience, just, and proper. A simple work permit system that requires background checks, taxes to be paid, clean living- no arrests, and is renewable every couple of years may be a good start as a path to citizenship. In Phoenix right now every single service provider and contractor is crying for help and cannot find anyone. Limited labor supply is a drag on the economy and is easily solvable with a work permit system that is easy and fast. My own personal stories of families that are all Americans with several kids but the father is illegal are heartbreaking.The immigration system currently is a vast morass of bureaucracy.
Have not made a study of it but believe that asylum seekers can appear at any Port of entry to request asylum. At that point they are housed by the US Govt. while their case is being decided. Lukeville is a port of entry. Think any will appear there? Seems like a backwater crossing but entry and processing might be faster. Wonder where they would house them if some show up in Sonyta..
Have not made a study of it but believe that asylum seekers can appear at any Port of entry to request asylum. At that point they are housed by the US Govt. while their case is being decided. Lukeville is a port of entry. Think any will appear there? Seems like a backwater crossing but entry and processing might be faster. Wonder where they would house them if some show up in Sonyta..
I think the best spot to house them would be Honduras.
Bricklayers, farm workers, construction labors, concrete workers, masons, etc are all trades which we need and can't fill with our current labor force. Let them come with a work permit. Doctors, professionals, etc have a different road to immigration which is not through the illegal route.
Fallece estadounidense al caer de techo de una vivienda en fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”
Un hombre de origen estadounidense murió la noche de ayer jueves, 8 de noviembre, luego de caer del techo de un segundo piso de una vivienda ubicada en el fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”, de este puerto.
La fuerte caída le ocasionó al hoy occiso lesiones de gravedad, por lo que fue trasladado a una clínica de la localidad por elementos de Cruz Roja Mexicana.
Ya en la clínica fue declarado muerto, siendo diagnosticado con traumatismo cráneo encefálico policontundido, heridas que le causaron la muerte.
Have not made a study of it but believe that asylum seekers can appear at any Port of entry to request asylum. At that point they are housed by the US Govt. while their case is being decided. Lukeville is a port of entry. Think any will appear there? Seems like a backwater crossing but entry and processing might be faster. Wonder where they would house them if some show up in Sonyta..
Fallece estadounidense al caer de techo de una vivienda en fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”
Un hombre de origen estadounidense murió la noche de ayer jueves, 8 de noviembre, luego de caer del techo de un segundo piso de una vivienda ubicada en el fraccionamiento “Las Conchas”, de este puerto.
La fuerte caída le ocasionó al hoy occiso lesiones de gravedad, por lo que fue trasladado a una clínica de la localidad por elementos de Cruz Roja Mexicana.
Ya en la clínica fue declarado muerto, siendo diagnosticado con traumatismo cráneo encefálico policontundido, heridas que le causaron la muerte.
This "American" man went over the edge Roberto. Any word about who he was, and is he known to this forum?
I am a researcher (doing secondary research which means I look at the primary research that others have done) by profession. Here are some interesting facts...in the 2 weeks before the mid-term elections Fox News and Fox Business networks mentioned the caravan an average of 6 times per hour during the hours of 6 am to 11 pm, or 102 times per day. The President mentioned an average of nearly 7 times per day. Since Tuesday's election Fox and Fox Business have mentioned it an average of 4 times per day (once every other hour), the President only twice total.