The Reef will close summer 2010!
Reef Too Close...
Started by playaperro · Oct 24, 2009 · 41 replies
I thought they just did a major renovation......
Not just the bar, everything got to be moved. The park will also close.
Where will they move?
You know that park marco something about 10 miles out of town on the east side of the HI Way. That would be my guess.
Why are they closing? I thought the new marina plan was put on hold because of the economy.
John
John
That's a long way from the beach!
I really don't know where these people will move. Maybe the park will move down the road.
I can't for the life of me figure why they would close....they are almost the only game in town on Sandy Beach....just them and Playa Bonita.....steady income with minimal maintenance (based on Playa Bonita activities....)....and who is going to buy the property or develop something on it in this economic climate???? I thought the Brown family was pretty well off???? Or is the family squabbling after the old man died....???
cholla said:Why are they closing? I thought the new marina plan was put on hold because of the economy.
John
The new arm to dock the cruise ship will start construction!
Is that where the plan was to put it? I thought it was going to be further down the coast...towards the Mayan....
Yes on the sandy beach master plan.
playaperro said:Yes on the sandy beach master plan.
Oh Ya brother...Stewart don't let them force you too move this great news!
http://www.cedointercultural.org/con...92/94/lang,en/
Conservation News: Essential Rocky Habitat Saved from Destruction
After three years of legal battles the Mexican Secretary of the Environment determined that the Sandy Beach Resorts Marina, between Sandy Beach and La Cholla, could not be authorized to continue. The project would have destroyed vital rocky reef habitat. The legal process was led by CEDO, commercial divers from Puerto Peñasco and the Mexican Center for Environmental Law (CEMDA). The basis for this decision was the lack of hard scientific evidence to state that the project would not have significant impacts on the environment. This ruling will stop the destruction of a shallow rocky reef that has immense ecological and social importance, including being used as a marine reserve by local commercial divers to promote sustainable fisheries, elevated levels of biodiversity, presence of several protected species and its proximity to the Upper Gulf Biosphere Reserve. This is a great sign the Mexican government is adequately enforcing environmental law.
- Read about our Conservation and Research programs here.
Jerry, the extremist right winger, posted this a few weeks back, so the marina might be going somewhere else other than Sandy Beach
InkaRoads said:Oh Ya brother...Stewart don't let them force you too move this great news!
http://www.cedointercultural.org/con...92/94/lang,en/
Conservation News: Essential Rocky Habitat Saved from Destruction
After three years of legal battles the Mexican Secretary of the Environment determined that the Sandy Beach Resorts Marina, between Sandy Beach and La Cholla, could not be authorized to continue. The project would have destroyed vital rocky reef habitat. The legal process was led by CEDO, commercial divers from Puerto Peñasco and the Mexican Center for Environmental Law (CEMDA). The basis for this decision was the lack of hard scientific evidence to state that the project would not have significant impacts on the environment. This ruling will stop the destruction of a shallow rocky reef that has immense ecological and social importance, including being used as a marine reserve by local commercial divers to promote sustainable fisheries, elevated levels of biodiversity, presence of several protected species and its proximity to the Upper Gulf Biosphere Reserve. This is a great sign the Mexican government is adequately enforcing environmental law.
- Read about our Conservation and Research programs here.
Jerry, the extremist right winger, posted this a few weeks back, so the marina might be going somewhere else other than Sandy Beach
The Cruise ship landing is not part of the marina..
playaperro said:The Cruise ship landing is not part of the marina..
I thought they were planning in building both next to each other and if they close one wouldn't they close the other, the damage to the ecosystem is the same for one or both.
InkaRoads said:I thought they were planning in building both next to each other and if they close one wouldn't they close the other, the damage to the ecosystem is the same for one or both.
What bar are you getting your info?
I got it from another forum a while back and they were talking about the marina and the cruise dock being together or next to each other right there in The Reef area
From my interaction with the Brown's and finally resolving their unfulfillment of costa diamante services: they have NO assets/cash available to be touched/invested in mexico. From my limited understanding, there will not be a marina anytime within the near future: (5+++ years).
Well if the coastal highway keeps going and makes it to Guaymas this will still be the spot to fly into ,get drunk,shop and eat stuff rapped in bacon and cheese for a few days then rent a car and head down the coast,stop along the way,drop the car off in Guaymas and fly home..
You are right Ink," between Sandy Beach and La Cholla, could not be authorized to continue. The project would have destroyed vital rocky reef habitat." That was part of the Sandy beach master plan and it included the marina.
I've been mad ever since they fenced of the access from the R.V. park because I used to drive right over to the base of the mountain to fish and snorkel.
The Cruise ship "dock" has not even been approved according to Steve Schwab’s article. The article is written to look like it was a done deal to hook new people into buying... But stuck on the bottom, kind of tucked away, it did say it was waiting approval. Here's the hook, then the facts at the bottom.
environment and furthering a sustainable activity through ecological balance.
Drinking that MAD DOG 20/20 again playa?
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I've been mad ever since they fenced of the access from the R.V. park because I used to drive right over to the base of the mountain to fish and snorkel.
The Cruise ship "dock" has not even been approved according to Steve Schwab’s article. The article is written to look like it was a done deal to hook new people into buying... But stuck on the bottom, kind of tucked away, it did say it was waiting approval. Here's the hook, then the facts at the bottom.
By Steve Schwab
Dated: Apr 01, 2009
The Holland America shipping company revealed that in three years, with the construction of a Cruise Ship
Home Port, Puerto Penasco will be taking another step to become a world-class tourist destination.
The Holland America shipping company revealed that in three years, with the construction of a Cruise Ship
Home Port, Puerto Penasco will be taking another step to become a world-class tourist destination.
Holland America is planning to have one cruise ship a week on the Sea of Cortez route as of 2011, stated
Simon Douwes, Planning and Scheduling Director, who recently confirmed that at the latest in three years,
Puerto Penasco will become the site for the arrival and departure of cruise ships.
Plans are to make between 50 and 60 trips in the “World's Aquarium”, departing from Puerto Penasco to
Guaymas, Loreto, La Paz and Topolobampo, and then, returning to the port of departure.
He stated that the Sea of Cortez route is excellent for the company, because in only seven days they can go
to six Mexican ports, which will provide a myriad of attractions.
On the other hand, the coordinator of the Commission for the Development of Tourist of the State
Government, Epifanio Salido Pavlovich, explained that initially there will be a 14 day route that will depart
from San Diego, California, and will travel to Puerto Penasco; then Guaymas, and the tour will conclude in
the port of embarkation.
Representatives of Holland America and Carnival Corporation recently visited the area of Sandy Beach,
where they intend to locate the cruise ship terminal in Puerto Penasco.
An assessment on the technical feasibility of building the wharf in this area of Rocky Point, Mexico was
conducted with good results. Possible attractions in that area that could be provided to cruise ship
customers were analyzed within the plans to set-up the Home Port. Some of these attractions are the Visitor
Center of the “El Pinacate” Biosphere Reserve which is another option that can be provided to nautical
tourists.
Government sources said that the Home Port project in Puerto Penasco is looking for the appropriate
conditions to remain as the Sea of Cortez cruise ship route, while at the same time duly caring for the
Dated: Apr 01, 2009
The Holland America shipping company revealed that in three years, with the construction of a Cruise Ship
Home Port, Puerto Penasco will be taking another step to become a world-class tourist destination.
The Holland America shipping company revealed that in three years, with the construction of a Cruise Ship
Home Port, Puerto Penasco will be taking another step to become a world-class tourist destination.
Holland America is planning to have one cruise ship a week on the Sea of Cortez route as of 2011, stated
Simon Douwes, Planning and Scheduling Director, who recently confirmed that at the latest in three years,
Puerto Penasco will become the site for the arrival and departure of cruise ships.
Plans are to make between 50 and 60 trips in the “World's Aquarium”, departing from Puerto Penasco to
Guaymas, Loreto, La Paz and Topolobampo, and then, returning to the port of departure.
He stated that the Sea of Cortez route is excellent for the company, because in only seven days they can go
to six Mexican ports, which will provide a myriad of attractions.
On the other hand, the coordinator of the Commission for the Development of Tourist of the State
Government, Epifanio Salido Pavlovich, explained that initially there will be a 14 day route that will depart
from San Diego, California, and will travel to Puerto Penasco; then Guaymas, and the tour will conclude in
the port of embarkation.
Representatives of Holland America and Carnival Corporation recently visited the area of Sandy Beach,
where they intend to locate the cruise ship terminal in Puerto Penasco.
An assessment on the technical feasibility of building the wharf in this area of Rocky Point, Mexico was
conducted with good results. Possible attractions in that area that could be provided to cruise ship
customers were analyzed within the plans to set-up the Home Port. Some of these attractions are the Visitor
Center of the “El Pinacate” Biosphere Reserve which is another option that can be provided to nautical
tourists.
Government sources said that the Home Port project in Puerto Penasco is looking for the appropriate
conditions to remain as the Sea of Cortez cruise ship route, while at the same time duly caring for the
environment and furthering a sustainable activity through ecological balance.
The Government of Sonora, the Florida and Caribbean Cruise Association (FCCA), and the Coordination General of Ports and Merchant Marine, a body belonging to the Department of Communications and Transportation (SCT) entered into negotiations to make this project come true.
Drinking that MAD DOG 20/20 again playa?
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:confused: Why did you copy and paste here again Kenny?
Why are you still calling me names?
You only go to penasco once a year for thanksgiving to get your free meal!
You never spend any money here..
Donate time or money...
Playa
Why are you still calling me names?
You only go to penasco once a year for thanksgiving to get your free meal!
You never spend any money here..
Donate time or money...
Playa
Oh my!! Throwing rocks, then more rocks on two threads.. Be careful, your going to hit yourself once more if you're not careful. Answer the "how about you" playa... Look, I know you like to donate your time and money to the strip joint's, but it's just not my style.
I spent the 4th in PP, if you just have to know, and stopped in to see friends in PP on my way down to Jerry's this month..Answer my question, "how about you".
Quote:
Originally Posted by playaperro
10-26
Siegfried and Roy is who Kenny and Jerry are in my book. They don't visit or know Penasco. Look at their post nothing to do with Penasco. Two kiss ass punks.:lol:
What did I just tell you about throwing rocks playa. Lets see, I've only been going down since 56/57, how about you? I hope to see ya a Chucks this Thanksgiving. I've got a little trick that I do with a drumstick, and I'd love to show it to you.:eek:
I spent the 4th in PP, if you just have to know, and stopped in to see friends in PP on my way down to Jerry's this month..Answer my question, "how about you".
Quote:
Originally Posted by playaperro
10-26Siegfried and Roy is who Kenny and Jerry are in my book. They don't visit or know Penasco. Look at their post nothing to do with Penasco. Two kiss ass punks.:lol:
What did I just tell you about throwing rocks playa. Lets see, I've only been going down since 56/57, how about you? I hope to see ya a Chucks this Thanksgiving. I've got a little trick that I do with a drumstick, and I'd love to show it to you.:eek:
Kenny said:Oh my!! Throwing rocks, then more rocks on two threads.. Be careful, your going to hit yourself once more if you're not careful. Answer the "how about you" playa... Look, I know you like to donate your time and money to the strip joint's, but it's just not my style.
I spent the 4th in PP, if you just have to know, and stopped in to see friends in PP on my way down to Jerry's this month..Answer my question, "how about you".
Quote:
Originally Posted by playaperro
Siegfried and Roy is who Kenny and Jerry are in my book. They don't visit or know Penasco. Look at their post nothing to do with Penasco. Two kiss ass punks.:lol:
What did I just tell you about throwing rocks playa. Lets see, I've only been going down since 56/57, how about you? I hope to see ya a Chucks this Thanksgiving. I've got a little trick that I do with a drumstick, and I'd love to show it to you.:eek:
I made my point JOTO !!!!
Kenny...why don't you make a bunch of snowballs from the stuff that was supposed to have fallen in the high country (haven't checked to see if it had), freeze them, and then we can have a snowball fight between you and Playa in PP on Thanksgiving....now that would be fun!!!!
Next week Joe!!!
rockyptjoe said:Kenny...why don't you make a bunch of snowballs from the stuff that was supposed to have fallen in the high country (haven't checked to see if it had), freeze them, and then we can have a snowball fight between you and Playa in PP on Thanksgiving....now that would be fun!!!!
No way Joe. First it didn't snow, second, the playa would put rocks in his.:grin:
How long playa?
More info about the Marina...
CEDO Victorious in Sandy Beach Resorts Marina Controversy
After three years of legal battles led by CEDO (the Intercultural Center for the Study of Deserts and Oceans), commercial divers from Puerto Penasco and the Mexican Center for Environmental Law (CEMDA), the Secretariat of Environment and Natural Resources (SEMARNAT) has determined that the Sandy Beach Resorts Marina could not be authorized to continue. Located between Sandy Beach and La Cholla, the proposed project would have altered two habitats of great ecologic and economic importance: a coastal wetland (Estero La Cholla) and the rocky reef in front of Sandy Beach.
The basis for SEMARNAT's decision was the lack of hard scientific evidence to state that the project would not have significant impacts on the environment. This ruling will stop the destruction of a shallow rocky reef that has immense ecological and social importance, including being used as a marine reserve by local commercial divers to promote sustainable fisheries, elevated levels of biodiversity, presence of several protected species and its proximity to the Upper Gulf Biosphere Reserve.
The decision affects plans for "Village E" and "Village G" of the Sandy Beach Resorts Master Plan (see image above). Included in the plan for Village E were: An External Marina, Internal Marina, Condomuniums, Town Center With Retail/Commercial, Timeshares, Hotel/Health Club, Yacht Club/Restaurants, and a Beach Club. Village G, just north of Village E, would include: Large Craft Marina Residential; Small Craft Marina; Residential Lots; and a Dry Dock Boat Storage Area.
See the rest of it at http://rptides.blogspot.com/2009/09/cedo-victorious-in-sandy-beach-resorts.html There's a picture of the masterplan, too, showing where that marina was supposed to go.
Really, you guys, you need to drop by The Tides more often. Sometimes I actually report real news. :D
As for the Reef, here is a quote from their website/blog in Sept. 2008:
CEDO Victorious in Sandy Beach Resorts Marina Controversy
After three years of legal battles led by CEDO (the Intercultural Center for the Study of Deserts and Oceans), commercial divers from Puerto Penasco and the Mexican Center for Environmental Law (CEMDA), the Secretariat of Environment and Natural Resources (SEMARNAT) has determined that the Sandy Beach Resorts Marina could not be authorized to continue. Located between Sandy Beach and La Cholla, the proposed project would have altered two habitats of great ecologic and economic importance: a coastal wetland (Estero La Cholla) and the rocky reef in front of Sandy Beach.
The basis for SEMARNAT's decision was the lack of hard scientific evidence to state that the project would not have significant impacts on the environment. This ruling will stop the destruction of a shallow rocky reef that has immense ecological and social importance, including being used as a marine reserve by local commercial divers to promote sustainable fisheries, elevated levels of biodiversity, presence of several protected species and its proximity to the Upper Gulf Biosphere Reserve.
The decision affects plans for "Village E" and "Village G" of the Sandy Beach Resorts Master Plan (see image above). Included in the plan for Village E were: An External Marina, Internal Marina, Condomuniums, Town Center With Retail/Commercial, Timeshares, Hotel/Health Club, Yacht Club/Restaurants, and a Beach Club. Village G, just north of Village E, would include: Large Craft Marina Residential; Small Craft Marina; Residential Lots; and a Dry Dock Boat Storage Area.
See the rest of it at http://rptides.blogspot.com/2009/09/cedo-victorious-in-sandy-beach-resorts.html There's a picture of the masterplan, too, showing where that marina was supposed to go.
Really, you guys, you need to drop by The Tides more often. Sometimes I actually report real news. :D
As for the Reef, here is a quote from their website/blog in Sept. 2008:
Well, we know that the marina is down for the count, at least for now, so I wonder why the Reef is closing and where it will go? There's no update on the site yet about them closing. The last post there was in August 2009.I here the park is closing next year? 2009?
This is another rumor as people see the condos get closer. We are part of a group called Groupo SBR which is the land owner of everything from the railroad tracks to the Cholla Bay. The idea for those who come here and know the layout of the land is just behind our storage area will be the beginning of a marina. This will extend to the Northeast all the way to Cholla Bay. At some point yes this will be a Park that is moved to a new location within the Groupo SBR property.
Last edited: Oct 29, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Costa Diamante said:From my interaction with the Brown's and finally resolving their unfulfillment of costa diamante services: they have NO assets/cash available to be touched/invested in mexico. From my limited understanding, there will not be a marina anytime within the near future: (5+++ years).
There will not be a marina because of the damage that it will do to the ecosystem, I do not think has anything to do with the haves or have nots of the Brown family.
The Reef is probably closing because it is part of the master plan development and the the Brown family is most probably going to get a huge chunk of those millions that that particular area is going to bring, aren't they the owners/partners of the whole SBR conglomerate?IMHO :eek3:
La Huerita said:CEDO Victorious in Sandy Beach Resorts Marina Controversy
After three years of legal battles led by CEDO (the Intercultural Center for the Study of Deserts and Oceans), commercial divers from Puerto Penasco and the Mexican Center for Environmental Law (CEMDA), the Secretariat of Environment and Natural Resources (SEMARNAT) has determined that the Sandy Beach Resorts Marina could not be authorized to continue. Located between Sandy Beach and La Cholla, the proposed project would have altered two habitats of great ecologic and economic importance: a coastal wetland (Estero La Cholla) and the rocky reef in front of Sandy Beach.
The basis for SEMARNAT's decision was the lack of hard scientific evidence to state that the project would not have significant impacts on the environment. This ruling will stop the destruction of a shallow rocky reef that has immense ecological and social importance, including being used as a marine reserve by local commercial divers to promote sustainable fisheries, elevated levels of biodiversity, presence of several protected species and its proximity to the Upper Gulf Biosphere Reserve.
The decision affects plans for "Village E" and "Village G" of the Sandy Beach Resorts Master Plan (see image above). Included in the plan for Village E were: An External Marina, Internal Marina, Condomuniums, Town Center With Retail/Commercial, Timeshares, Hotel/Health Club, Yacht Club/Restaurants, and a Beach Club. Village G, just north of Village E, would include: Large Craft Marina Residential; Small Craft Marina; Residential Lots; and a Dry Dock Boat Storage Area.
See the rest of it at http://rptides.blogspot.com/2009/09/cedo-victorious-in-sandy-beach-resorts.html There's a picture of the masterplan, too, showing where that marina was supposed to go.
Really, you guys, you need to drop by The Tides more often. Sometimes I actually report real news. :D
As for the Reef, here is a quote from their website/blog in Sept. 2008:
Well, we know that the marina is down for the count, at least for now, so I wonder why the Reef is closing and where it will go? There's no update on the site yet about them closing. The last post there was in August 2009.
Where does it say the carnival cruise line arm is dead in the water?
playaperro said:Where does it say the carnival cruise line arm is dead in the water?
It doesn't. This is about the other marina, the private one. I've never been clear on where exactly the cruise ship marina is supposedly to be built (and I'll believe that when I see it). Anyone in the know on that?
I still don't believe the Reef is going away. My son goes to school with 2 of the 3rd or 4th generation Brown kids and I hear lots of inside info via him. No mention of anything. I don't pry but I just don't see it happening. And, for all that I have heard, the cruise part of the deal is still on. Time will tell.
La Huerita said:It doesn't. This is about the other marina, the private one. I've never been clear on where exactly the cruise ship marina is supposedly to be built (and I'll believe that when I see it). Anyone in the know on that?
My understanding is the the cruise ships will anchor out in front of sandy beach and they will use water taxis to bring their passengers into port.
the Reef
I know very little about the history of the Reef and the owners and such - but I thought I had read here (or somewhere else) that the current zoning will not allow major development.
I understand that with the right amount of $$, zoning can change quickly, but this never seems to come up.
can somebody fill me in on this?
thanks - we have never stayed at the Reef with our rv, but know others who have and enjoy it's location.
I know very little about the history of the Reef and the owners and such - but I thought I had read here (or somewhere else) that the current zoning will not allow major development.
I understand that with the right amount of $$, zoning can change quickly, but this never seems to come up.
can somebody fill me in on this?
thanks - we have never stayed at the Reef with our rv, but know others who have and enjoy it's location.
joester said:I know very little about the history of the Reef and the owners and such - but I thought I had read here (or somewhere else) that the current zoning will not allow major development.
I understand that with the right amount of $$, zoning can change quickly, but this never seems to come up.
can somebody fill me in on this?
thanks - we have never stayed at the Reef with our rv, but know others who have and enjoy it's location.
I really hate the thought of anyone delveloping that area... I have a trail that I can ride my mountain bike from the reef all the way along the coast to Pelican Point and then to Cholla Bay...
It's really beautiful back in there... I would hate it if it were cut off to the public like every where else in getting to be...
La Huerita said:It doesn't. This is about the other marina, the private one. I've never been clear on where exactly the cruise ship marina is supposedly to be built (and I'll believe that when I see it). Anyone in the know on that?
As per a sketch that I found back in july 2008 both, the marina and the cruise home port, where located together basically in front of what "The Reef" is now.
Even then the question of the impact in the ecosystem come up an answer was never given, now I know why, the actual study of the repercutions was not finalized but the proyect was presented as a go thruogh plan, maybe to motivate more sales?.....things that make you go MMMMMMMMMMHHHHH!!!!
I've tryed to upload the picture what it is not allowing me to, anyway they show both together in the sketch
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Mark,
Next time i'm down I'll bring my Mtn bike and you can show me some trails
ed
Next time i'm down I'll bring my Mtn bike and you can show me some trails
ed
fasteddy said:Mark,
Next time i'm down I'll bring my Mtn bike and you can show me some trails
ed
That would be Cool Eddy... I'd love to... Jim wanted me to help get his bike ready to ride maybe we can persuade him into coming along too...
How about it Jim?
joester said:I know very little about the history of the Reef and the owners and such - but I thought I had read here (or somewhere else) that the current zoning will not allow major development.
I understand that with the right amount of $$, zoning can change quickly, but this never seems to come up.
can somebody fill me in on this?
thanks - we have never stayed at the Reef with our rv, but know others who have and enjoy it's location.
If you look at the Master Plan for Sandy Beach Resorts, I believe the area where the Reef is now is called "Village D". Plans/Zoning for that area include 3 resort hotels, 3 beach clubs, casinos, a conference center and beach estates. This part of the plan abuts the (hopefully) defunct marina to the west and "Village A" to the east (where all the current development is located). I'm not sure if the planned Penasco Bay development by SBR & Grupo Questro (where the Penasco Marriott is supposed to go) is in Village A or Village D. http://www.sbrrealty.com/MasterPlan.html
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Seadweller said:I really hate the thought of anyone delveloping that area... I have a trail that I can ride my mountain bike from the reef all the way along the coast to Pelican Point and then to Cholla Bay...
It's really beautiful back in there... I would hate it if it were cut off to the public like every where else in getting to be...
I know that path well Mark. I'll bet you know the spot where that Osprey is always perched on that big rock that sticks out of the water in that cove. That's a great place to fish for me too! Not only can you catch some nice fish there, you can't see a building one.:sunny: It's just open water from that vantage point.
Kenny
The marriot hotel footings are up, looks like they are taking a fiesta!!!
That would be section D on the SBR master plan.
That would be section D on the SBR master plan.
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playaperro said:The marriot hotel footings are up, looks like they are taking a fiesta!!!
That would be section D on the SBR master plan.
Fiesta or Siesta???
Well looks like I'm gonna claim my "Force Majeure" rights on this one. How many year do you think I'm off.