water shortage

My wife said water was flowing to the Cholla fill station on Monday.

We had water trucks delivering in Miramar last weekend.

So water is available, you just gotta pay more for it. Just like our banks, oil companies, cable , insurance, hospitals etc etc in Los Estamos Jodidos.

ernesto said:

So water is available, you just gotta pay more for it. Just like our banks, oil companies, cable , insurance, hospitals etc etc in Los Estamos Jodidos.

Ernie ...you and I can never share a drink because our glasses are always half full at best!

2 halves equal 1 full, cheers! Anyone got a handle of the economics of the water trucks? Who do they pay to fill up and where, maybe Mayor Kookoo should be on this?

The Cholla Bay trucks fill up at the area across from the police station as you enter. There is a meter on the fill line, the drivers record start and finish meter reading
and pay every week or month. Money goes to the HOA, Who then pay the water bill to Ompas.

And that system has been in place forever, right? I'm wondering who profits off a contrived shortage when those of us on city water have to buy truckloads? Hey Jerry! I sat on my rose colored glasses a while back, seeing clearer now. I'd ask to borrow yours but I'm sure you don't have a pair either.

On busy weekends especially warmer holiday weekends, much of the water supply goes to the resorts and to fill their tanks.
Gotta keep the tourists happy or they don't come back.

Cholla is supposed to be on a separate pump to ensure their supply but that doesn't work out every time,
but supply is better than when the Cholla line was 1st installed a few years ago.

Last in priority seems to be those on city water and the further away from the source the worse it gets.

When there isn't any supply of most things desperation and anger sets in.

Boy are we spoiled when everything works as it should.

As positive as most of us want to be regarding Peñasco, there is no way of denying that the water delivery capacity is insufficient for peak demand without some sector being denied water. If Peñasco wants to grow in any responsible manor it will have to look long term for a solution.

Does anyone here know the full story, not rumor, about the Las Conchas desal plant? I have heard lots of confusing rumors over the years. I don't want to repeat the rumors.I know people who paid a community wide levee to build the plant and were eventually refunded part of the money. Lots of rumors why this occurred. There is a large structure on the north side of LC Blvd that the rumor is the site for the plant. I went by there and peered in, appears to have some piping and maybe tanks inside but nothing else.
Where is Karnak when you need an answer?

This is all I found regarding the initial contract.

http://www.visitrockypoint.com/drinking-seawater-in-puerto-penasco

Perron can give you the rundown////plus what ever happened with the boosted house :
Actually it was the Hoa CEO's, acting as a contractor, ripping off the residents, never a dull moment with Francisco Hernandez taking property with the hoa's blessing.

Has anyone tried or looked into a Atmospheric water generators to capture water from the air. I have seen them solar powered and supply enough drinking water for the family.

So it sounds like everything is back to normal.

Thanks for the post Jim McG. Adds some to the info. A contractor, Grupo Agua de Mexico was the contractor. Assumedly it is true.

Not clear why, other than a bad taste in the mouth, pun intended, desal has not been on the front burner in Las Conchas. Especially given how things have been with supply recently and repetitively with no clear public plan for solution , another good pun,!! Seems like desal would ameliorate ( like that one Russ ?) the situation. I'm on a roll with words today !!!

Jerry, there were rumors to that effect but again where are the actual facts?

Side bar to the desal story is the old, from the 60s, I think, plant that was developed and built in the Mirador as a joint effort with Arizona (I think(. There is a real cool old video about this somewhere. Who can find it? They were actually producing and using the water produced, just a low supply so it was abandoned.

PintoPoint said:

Has anyone tried or looked into a Atmospheric water generators to capture water from the air. I have seen them solar powered and supply enough drinking water for the family.

Some tech info but no prices.
http://planetswater.co.uk/atmospheric-water-generators/
They are prolly simple dehumidifyers. No se how much electricity used. AC units of course remove lots of moisture that goes to waste. I catch the condensate from my roof unit as bycatch to water plants. Good for our 80% humidity.

Roberto said:

Some tech info but no prices.
http://planetswater.co.uk/atmospheric-water-generators/
They are prolly simple dehumidifyers. No se how much electricity used. AC units of course remove lots of moisture that goes to waste. I catch the condensate from my roof unit as bycatch to water plants. Good for our 80% humidity.

Roberto,
I was looking at a Zero Mass solar powered unit, no power required. It actually filters and adds the minerals back into the water.

Note the price estimate and then consider that 5 gallons of purified drinking water costs 6 pesos in Peñasco.
https://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/zero-mass-water-solar-drinking-water-generator.html

JimMcG said:

Note the price estimate and then consider that 5 gallons of purified drinking water costs 6 pesos in Peñasco.
https://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/zero-mass-water-solar-drinking-water-generator.html

But how much will water be worth when its not available. The only thing keeping Cholla Bay from being a great bug out location is drinkable water source.

JimMcG said:

Note the price estimate and then consider that 5 gallons of purified drinking water costs 6 pesos in Peñasco.
https://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/zero-mass-water-solar-drinking-water-generator.html

Ya to stop us from sucking on the utility faucet a system will have to be cheap and easy. Unfortunately in areas where there is no decent water supply the people are usually so impoverished they can barely afford a bucket.

PintoPoint said:

But how much will water be worth when its not available. The only thing keeping Cholla Bay from being a great bug out location is drinkable water source.

True but that system would only provide a drop in a bucket (pun intended) at a large and unaffordable cost although it would ameliorate the problem a bit..

Roberto said:

Does anyone here know the full story, not rumor, about the Las Conchas desal plant? I have heard lots of confusing rumors over the years. I don't want to repeat the rumors.I know people who paid a community wide levee to build the plant and were eventually refunded part of the money. Lots of rumors why this occurred. There is a large structure on the north side of LC Blvd that the rumor is the site for the plant. I went by there and peered in, appears to have some piping and maybe tanks inside but nothing else.
Where is Karnak when you need an answer?

That large structure you mention is a desalt plant for the condos on the north side of L C Blvd, they are not associated with the vecinos at Las Conchas.

JimMcG said:

Note the price estimate and then consider that 5 gallons of purified drinking water costs 6 pesos in Peñasco.
https://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/zero-mass-water-solar-drinking-water-generator.html

Ya to stop us from sucking on the utility faucet a system will have to be cheap and easy. Unfortunately in areas where there is no decent water supply the people are usually so impoverished they can barely afford a bucket.

playaperro said:

That large structure you mention is a desalt plant for the condos on the north side of L C Blvd, they are not associated with the vecinos at Las Conchas.

Ah ha. Do you know if it is complete and possibly functional?? Was it set up to service all three of the big condos? I did notice some huge pipes running along the north side of one of the condos.

Muchas gracias por el information amigo.

Here is where I've gotten all my drinking water and ice from for many years. Bag of ice is 10 pesos and to fill a 5 gallon bottle with great tasting water 8 pesos.
Corner of Constitution and Revolution a few blocks east of RR tracks at Cholla Mall (Rodeo drive).

If that is across the street from Los Pinos hardware and attached to a pharmacy, I have been paying 6 pesos/5 gallons there for a long time.

Roberto said:

Ah ha. Do you know if it is complete and possibly functional?? Was it set up to service all three of the big condos? I did notice some huge pipes running along the north side of one of the condos.

Muchas gracias por el information amigo.

It's a mystery!

There were predictions of water wars in S. America. Some countries were considering or may have already, privatizing the domestic supply. Argument for was private businesses could develop and provide a good supply of drinkable water. Again the problem of poverty sticks up its ugly head as the very poor would not be able to afford it. In private, profit motivated, hands the price will grow and grow. Needs control and support from the govt. and general taxes. For me it is similar to health care. Single Payer Now. How cannot one be disturbed by marking u low volume use drugs to astronomical prices and combining common, cheap, even over the counter drugs and marketing them under another name for huge profits. For example here you can buy a drug that combines paracetomol ( tylenol ) and Naproxina (Aleve) in one tab and sells for much more than purchasing the single tablets of each drug and taking the appropriate dosage. Big secret always read the label for pharmacological name and learn what they are and how they work. In this instance research shows that this combination is very effective for pain. Now what has this to do with water??? And not a single pun either.

playaperro said:

It's a mystery!

That calls for the all seeing, wall knowing Karnak. But I bet they wanted water before they started to sell. After all the pool is a big draw !!

I pay 90 pesos each and tip the guy who carries out my three bottles 10.

http://www.slingshotdoc.com/ This will change everything

http://www.popsci.com/article/science/pure-genius-how-dean-kamens-invention-could-bring-clean-water-millions

This one is a little more to the point

ernesto said:

http://www.slingshotdoc.com/ This will change everything

Did not provide much info about his revolutionary water purifying system other than it uses heat and water and a condenser to purify water?? Lots more about what he thinks of himself.

JimMcG said:

If that is across the street from Los Pinos hardware and attached to a pharmacy, I have been paying 6 pesos/5 gallons there for a long time.

Yes that's the place, 6 peso's you're probably correct, I usually get a couple of 5 gal bottles filled (and washed in/ out) and 2 bags of ice and I give them 40 pesos for the product and tip for putting in my car.
A deal in my book.
In San Diego it's $1.50-2.50 for 1 bottle and I have to clean and haul the bottle.

I actually worked on an insulin injection system with feedback in the early 60's. We weren't smart enough to get a patent and rake in the bucks. Working for NIMH the govt would have owned the patent.

Roberto said:

Did not provide much info about his revolutionary water purifying system other than it uses heat and water and a condenser to purify water?? Lots more about what he thinks of himself.

Look at the second link I posted, as I said, more to the point Sr.

Desalination is expensive but like all emerging and evolving trechnolgies the cost is coming down. Constant experimentation and innovation is the driving force for lower costs.

ernesto said:

http://www.slingshotdoc.com/ This will change everything

Check these out for simple cheap water purification systems.
http://inhabitat.com/6-water-purifying-devices-for-clean-drinking-water-in-the-developing-world/

Can anyone share what it costs for water delivery in Playa Encanto? Cost per liter, gallon, load etc. Also, what company do you use?

ron said:

Can anyone share what it costs for water delivery in Playa Encanto? Cost per liter, gallon, load etc. Also, what company do you use?

Cannot answer the question but I would get with neighbors and hire the biggest truck you can find to service everyone at one visit. My experience has been that prices vary widely according to the individual truck and water availability in Penasco. There are day to day variations in cost.

Roberto said:

Cannot answer the question but I would get with neighbors and hire the biggest truck you can find to service everyone at one visit. My experience has been that prices vary widely according to the individual truck and water availability in Penasco. There are day to day variations in cost.

what a frigging hassle this all is....

Roberto said:

Cannot answer the question but I would get with neighbors and hire the biggest truck you can find to service everyone at one visit. My experience has been that prices vary widely according to the individual truck and water availability in Penasco. There are day to day variations in cost.

Don't forget to add the Gringo tax.

Encanto has a gringo resident, Rhonda, who runs a water service with 2 trucks (Ranas del Mar H20), mostly servicing Encanto, Portales, LaJolla, and the others down to the estuary She's very dependable compared to a couple other Mexican trucks that come through there.

mondone said:

Encanto has a gringo resident, Rhonda, who runs a water service with 2 trucks (Ranas del Mar H20), mostly servicing Encanto, Portales, LaJolla, and the others down to the estuary She's very dependable compared to a couple other Mexican trucks that come through there.

Plus 1 for Rhonda. She is a permanent resident of Encanto and takes the hassle out of water delivery. Like having a friend in the water business.

Water flow to the Cholla fill station was fairly slow since Sunday when I came down. Flow today at 10:30am wasn't much better, when I left today.
My water guy said it will take 5+ hours to fill his truck, there were 4 others waiting their turn.
A nice lazy hot, windy and humid day for the drivers to hangout and tell each other BS stories while waiting for more water.

brokenwave said:

Water flow to the Cholla fill station was fairly slow since Sunday when I came down. Flow today at 10:30am wasn't much better, when I left today.
My water guy said it will take 5+ hours to fill his truck, there were 4 others waiting their turn.
A nice lazy hot, windy and humid day for the drivers to hangout and tell each other BS stories while waiting for more water.

Sounds like a good life to me.

brokenwave said:

Water flow to the Cholla fill station was fairly slow since Sunday when I came down. Flow today at 10:30am wasn't much better, when I left today.
My water guy said it will take 5+ hours to fill his truck, there were 4 others waiting their turn.
A nice lazy hot, windy and humid day for the drivers to hangout and tell each other BS stories while waiting for more water.

Can only one truck be filled at a time, only one valve?

37 lanes no waiting.....to to fill trucks, it just takes time it is so upscale it is ridiculous. Actually people from Scottsdale are moving here to get their water delivered in such a a great way.....or....it's Cholla Bay and it is what it is and if you don't understand it or like it......:who cares?

JimMcG said:

Can only one truck be filled at a time, only one valve?

There's one 4" water line coming into Cholla and one valve to fill trucks. (drivers have to record their water usage to pay later)
If the water flow is good a truck can be filled in 30 minutes or so.
But lately it's pretty slow and when the resorts are full it takes hours to fill one truck.

mexicoruss said:

37 lanes no waiting.....to to fill trucks, it just takes time it is so upscale it is ridiculous. Actually people from Scottsdale are moving here to get their water delivered in such a a great way.....or....it's Cholla Bay and it is what it is and if you don't understand it or like it......:who cares?

Really no need to make rude and nonsensical comments to people asking reasonable questions out of curiosity. Everyone already knows you are a big supported that denies anything negative about Penasco.

I deny that statement

Roberto said:

Really no need to make rude and nonsensical comments to people asking reasonable questions out of curiosity. Everyone already knows you are a big supported that denies anything negative about Penasco.

Indeed, Sr Russ, 'el que se piensa como más Mexicano que los Mexicanos', is reaching a critical stage of denialism which is seriously eroding his credibility in all things Peñasco-esque. Que lastima!

mexicoruss said:

I deny that statement

Ja ja ja ja . A good one there Russel, very typical too.

JimMcG said:

Indeed, Sr Russ, 'el que se piensa como más Mexicano que los Mexicanos', is reaching a critical stage of denialism which is seriously eroding his credibility in all things Peñasco-esque. Que lastima!

Indeed...time will tell, que lastima......

I guess I tire of seeing negative comments from those that do not live here and even more so from those that do live here full time. It is what it is, I would rather see things from a positive point of view (punta de vista JimMcG fyi). Life is great here there is nothing to complain about.

Positive energy hurts people who like to see the negative in things or point out someone else's faults, it sort of elevates their perception of themselves, but only to them. I will always stay positive, you can count on that.

JimMcG said:

Indeed, Sr Russ, 'el que se piensa como más Mexicano que los Mexicanos', is reaching a critical stage of denialism which is seriously eroding his credibility in all things Peñasco-esque. Que lastima!

I rather enjoy Sr. Russ's love of Penasco.

It will take more than positive thinking to remedy a demonstrated water shortage in Peñasco, plain and simple.

JimMcG said:

It will take more than positive thinking to remedy a demonstrated water shortage in Peñasco, plain and simple.

I am positive of that too.

Regardless of what the rich people say about how much water they have and can afford....people need to conserve and be aware of what they use. There is water here, it is underground and the fact that we have no water intensive factories it should be sufficient, the conveyance system is at fault for shortages. The town went through a growth boom and things may have not been done right in the haste of the day. We now have sustainable growth and things are being done to keep up with the needs. I am bullish on what the admin is doing here and see good things done and more coming.

Peñasco ultimately has no choice but to remedy the water and infrastructure issues if in fact it wants to be player in attracting sustainable tourism and investment. There is nothing wrong with positivity as long as it comes with being realistic as to what is required to attain those goals.

Thanks so much for your approval....it was needed. not

mexicoruss said:

Indeed...time will tell, que lastima......

I guess I tire of seeing negative comments from those that do not live here and even more so from those that do live here full time. It is what it is, I would rather see things from a positive point of view (punta de vista JimMcG fyi). Life is great here there is nothing to complain about.

Positive energy hurts people who like to see the negative in things or point out someone else's faults, it sort of elevates their perception of themselves, but only to them. I will always stay positive, you can count on that.

Russ I am positive about one thing, you are somewhat confused about what is a positive view and what is denial. From your view it appears that the world is perfect and no change is needed. I think that is denial. Denial is a way to refuse to recognize and take responsibility for problems in your life, in your family's life, in your community's life. All is fine so I can just relax. A rather selfish view that can create monumental problems in society and one's individual life. I believe that you had a monumental issue in your life in which I suspect your denial contributed to. Deny a problem and you do not have to do anything. Entonces your so called positive energy hurts, true. It is an impediment to positive change since your view is no change is necessary. Something perfect requires no change. The only thing that is perfect, unchangeable, is death itself.

I have an image of you watching neighbor's house burn while other throw water on the fire, with the comment ' well it is what it is'. You are just the guy for Emergency Preparedness.

You popping up about an innocuous question is a fine example and illustrates your wish is to stifle any thought about or what you call criticism or possible identification of a problem. Hey problems exist but apparently not in your mind. Take a little responsibility for positive change in the community you profess to love, identify a problem and work toward fixing it and not something like a messed up title that needs to be 'rectified' so you can perform urban renewal and some some money.

Don't flatter yourself, Russ. No approval of your incoherent sarcasm was intended.

Roberto said:

Russ I am positive about one thing, you are somewhat confused about what is a positive view and what is denial. From your view it appears that the world is perfect and no change is needed. I think that is denial. Denial is a way to refuse to recognize and take responsibility for problems in your life, in your family's life, in your community's life. All is fine so I can just relax. A rather selfish view that can create monumental problems in society and one's individual life. I believe that you had a monumental issue in your life in which I suspect your denial contributed to. Deny a problem and you do not have to do anything. Entonces your so called positive energy hurts, true. It is an impediment to positive change since your view is no change is necessary. Something perfect requires no change. The only thing that is perfect, unchangeable, is death itself.

I have an image of you watching neighbor's house burn while other throw water on the fire, with the comment ' well it is what it is'. You are just the guy for Emergency Preparedness.

You popping up about an innocuous question is a fine example and illustrates your wish is to stifle any thought about or what you call criticism or possible identification of a problem. Hey problems exist but apparently not in your mind. Take a little responsibility for positive change in the community you profess to love, identify a problem and work toward fixing it and not something like a messed up title that needs to be 'rectified' so you can perform urban renewal and some some money.

Thanks Dr Phil.

I do not think the world is perfect...far from it. I find it confusing when people who do not have a dog in the fight put their 2 cents in as if it was important. As a matter of fact I have had monumental tragedies in my life that I could not control yet had no part in. I am a product of that. That of course is none of your business. Complaining about a problem without the desire to help is pointless. I think I would throw water on my neighbors house if it was on fire. Oh by the way I really can't care less of what you think you know who I am or not. The guy at the top...Kiko Munro is responsible for what goes on in the city, not the gringos that think they know better. I will let him do his job instead of putting some sort of "I am better than you" twist on it.

This discussion reminded me of a fellow whom my mother adored and supported financially. Norman Vincent Peal and his Power of Poistive thinking. An evangelist who taught Positive thinking can overcome anything . That was his mantra. My mother believed in positive thinking to the extent that she stopped taking her heart medicine in a burst of positive energy and she .........died of a heart attack so it was perfect then right.

JimMcG said:

Don't flatter yourself, Russ. No approval of your incoherent sarcasm was intended.

Personally being a fan of good sarcasm since it can have Positive effects, I would not elevate his comments to this level. Snide come to mind more than sarcastic.

Roberto said:

Personally being a fan of good sarcasm since it can have Positive effects, I would not elevate his comments to this level. Snide come to mind more than sarcastic.

Yes, well since I have never had anything against Russ or positive thinking per se, I toned it down to be nice.

mexicoruss said:

Sounds like a good life to me.

Unless you're the driver waiting for water.

mexicoruss said:

Thanks Dr Phil.

I do not think the world is perfect...far from it. I find it confusing when people who do not have a dog in the fight put their 2 cents in as if it was important. As a matter of fact I have had monumental tragedies in my life that I could not control yet had no part in. I am a product of that. That of course is none of your business. Complaining about a problem without the desire to help is pointless. I think I would throw water on my neighbors house if it was on fire. Oh by the way I really can't care less of what you think you know who I am or not. The guy at the top...Kiko Munro is responsible for what goes on in the city, not the gringos that think they know better. I will let him do his job instead of putting some sort of "I am better than you" twist on it.

Oooooo too much to respond to.

tragedies in my life that I could not control yet had no part in
Being a believer in personal responsibility rather than blind positivism that is another example of denial. a Victim of circumstances. Do you deny it??? Ja ja ja ja


I think I would
Ah. so you Think you would help but you are not sure. Have to analyze the positive aspects. Thinking positive, it could be all that smoke and fire is from a BBQ.

Oh by the way I really can't care less of what you think
If you could care less why are you responding here? Do as you say and mind your own business. I guess the simple question of how many valves are available, without any negative comment was way above your level of understanding. Actually is smacks a bit of Paranoia. Reference to self from simple comments.

Oh well time for a nap, I am positive about that.

Petrose said:

Unless you're the driver waiting for water.

Now now, don't get Russ all riled up with your negative comments.

brokenwave said:

There's one 4" water line coming into Cholla and one valve to fill trucks. (drivers have to record their water usage to pay later)
If the water flow is good a truck can be filled in 30 minutes or so.
But lately it's pretty slow and when the resorts are full it takes hours to fill one truck.

Thank you for your answer to a relatively simple question that some have problems giving.

Russ, Thanks for the entertainment. It was looking like another boring day searching for sand dollars on the beach. Hot out there. Hope you have a great day.

So according to you Russ, unless I own property I have no dog in the fight? And if I'm a gringo you think non of my concerns are worth the spit you have for us? Stinks of racism on your part. What does being a gringo, which is offensive in the context you use it, have anything to do with this subject? My question is rhetorical as I'm sure Russ has a negative answer to me as I'm only a tourist with no dog in the game and will not bless the Russ bus with my presents.

Petrose said:

So according to you Russ, unless I own property I have no dog in the fight? And if I'm a gringo you think non of my concerns are worth the spit you have for us? Stinks of racism on your part. What does being a gringo, which is offensive in the context you use it, have anything to do with this subject? My question is rhetorical as I'm sure Russ has a negative answer to me as I'm only a tourist with no dog in the game and will not bless the Russ bus with my presents.

Sorry, gringo is not used as a bad word.

The locals (Mexicans and Americans) have to deal with the water problems everyday. The problems have been identified and the people who have the responsibility to handle it know what they are and are doing what they have to to remedy it. It is easy to sit on the sideline and say it should be this way or that way, but in the end if you don't live here and if you don't have any solutions then yes I stand by my "you don't have a dog in the fight".

I am truly sorry if you were offended by my comments, I will be sure to limit my use of possibly negative words in the future, thanks for the heads up!

Oh and on edit....not being sarcastic or anything, I don't need your presents....although your presence may be welcome. Sorry I couldn't help it. Please forgive me.

It sounds like Russ just really loves life, see's the glass as more than 1/2 full.
More people need to have that carefree attitude.
But being able to live in Mexico full time would be great, problems and all.

PS. Somewhere in the 'no dog in the fight' category, people who owned homes in Peñasco but who didn't live there year a round were also not supposed to express an opinion according to Honorary Mayor Russ, as I understood it.
Over and out.

GV Jack you are needed Pronto to set up the rumble behind Guau, Guau's.

JimMcG said:

PS. Somewhere in the 'no dog in the fight' category, people who owned homes in Peñasco but who didn't live there year a round were also not supposed to express an opinion according to Honorary Mayor Russ, as I understood it.
Over and out.

As a foreigner I am not allowed to hold office but thanks! Really though, if Tucson or Phoenix or Chino Valley had a water problem - what would I have to say about that? I do not have a say as I don't live there.

brokenwave said:

It sounds like Russ just really loves life, see's the glass as more than 1/2 full.
More people need to have that carefree attitude.
But being able to live in Mexico full time would be great, problems and all.

It's all good. Negative "know it alls" have their place too! And yes I do love life!

JimMcG said:

PS. Somewhere in the 'no dog in the fight' category, people who owned homes in Peñasco but who didn't live there year a round were also not supposed to express an opinion according to Honorary Mayor Russ, as I understood it.
Over and out.

The Russ permanent resident demographic in Rocky Point...have not figured the percentages yet

Child Support Deadbeats
Run away Teachers with their "nieces"
Contractors dodging Judgments ..
Hard core drunks
Good people living the Jimmy Buffet dream
people given the boot by Homeland Security
novelists...be a good spot to write
painters
golf nuts
runaway brides
criminals

what a sunset party that mix would make

The Jimmy Buffet thing, the painter thing, the novelist thing, the painter thing, the golf thing, yeah that's pretty much it. Not hating everyday is a bonus. The rest of your list is for somebody else, maybe they live here or maybe somewhere else.

mexicoruss said:

As a foreigner I am not allowed to hold office but thanks! Really though, if Tucson or Phoenix or Chino Valley had a water problem - what would I have to say about that? I do not have a say as I don't live there.

Well since you asked, you can choose to say whatever you want .... or nothing if you choose. You can also choose to not read other's posts if they are so upsetting to you because they don't conform to yours. As long as members are conforming to forum rules they can say whatever they want without worrying about whether a forum member agrees or not.

JimMcG said:

Well since you asked, you can choose to say whatever you want .... or nothing if you choose. You can also choose to not read other's posts if they are so upsetting to you because they don't conform to yours. As long as members are conforming to forum rules they can say whatever they want without worrying about whether a forum member agrees or not.

OK mom

mexicoruss said:

The Jimmy Buffet thing, the painter thing, the novelist thing, the painter thing, the golf thing, yeah that's pretty much it. Not hating everyday is a bonus. The rest of your list is for somebody else, maybe they live here or maybe somewhere else.

you need to hang out with the rest of the list...was more interesting

brokenwave said:

It sounds like Russ just really loves life, see's the glass as more than 1/2 full.
More people need to have that carefree attitude.
But being able to live in Mexico full time would be great, problems and all.

carefree?...the most passive aggressive booster of all time...if this was the Jaws movie he would be the first one to say the water is safe and the beaches are open! I still really enjoy and have learned a lot from his posts but if he didn't exist and I wanted to have a entertaining forum I'd create a fake booster like him...

Thanks Jerry I actually liked your post, I don't know what passive aggressive means though yashit

mexicoruss said:

Thanks Jerry I actually liked your post, I don't know what passive aggressive means though yashit

yeah that might be a bit off...maybe a fighter for the status quo

I still don't understand

STOP THE INSANITY!! There are people on this site who will say everything is wrong about Penasco/Mexico. There are people who say everything is perfect about Penasco. I'm closer to the latter, but I realize we have to conserve water. Yes, we have trucks we need to fill up our tank in Miramar, and we try to conserve- limited showers, buckets in sinks to collect water, etc. All of the southwest needs to conserve water and needs to find a solution. I like a pipe coming out of the Great Lakes (jk).

The biggest users would be the resorts, there are currently no cautions posted there to my knowledge. The renters and residents should know of the problem. Jim? What is the status on Sandy Beach?

We can conserve our asses off but if the biggest users are the resorts and the people there don't know about the problem it all goes down the drain. I have never heard of austerity measures being recommended there.

ernesto said:

We can conserve our asses off but if the biggest users are the resorts and the people there don't know about the problem it all goes down the drain. I have never heard of austerity measures being recommended there.

Because it's not like that.

My comment about conserving is what we should all do. Regardless of shortages or not. There is not a shortage of water in Peñasco. On busy weekends we have distribution problems based on the demand. On a day to day basis I believe we are doing good. I have no problems with water except on busy weekends.

People that come to the resorts tend to believe that they can use as much as they way want or what they are used to up North. The sad fact is that it will run out. Yes water never actually leaves the planet but it does take some effort to re-distribute it. Some places have plenty and some not so much.........my point is 20 minute showers are not necessary unless you weigh like 400 pounds(and you need help cleansing) please shower accordingly .......use less water and live longer.......or use more and tell all of your friends that you can afford it so it must be right....."I'm the rich guy who can use as much as he wants" blah blah yuck!

I agree. The real problem lies with the resorts.They do not inform the guests that there is a water problem. There is no way they would know otherwise. I believe the vast majority would conserve if informed. I would.

I had a connection to the resorts , No mas, gracias a dios. They dont say anything to the guests.

Boys !!! enough of this cat pissing!!

Jim McG, do the sonoran resorts advise people to conserve? Las Palomas does not.

what the hell is cat pissing?

ernesto said:

Jim McG, do the sonoran resorts advise people to conserve? Las Palomas does not.

I'm not sure, Ernesto, but I was told that at least some of them recycle the gray water for irrigation.

Conservation of resources is a win win situation because it saves money on the initial cost and requires less additional infrastructure. The amount of money and water saved by just changing to modern, water efficient, kitchen and bathroom faucets, toilets and shower heads is significant. I know because I have done it and observed the results.
The authorities have to also do their part though with regular, preventive, periodic maintenance of the existing infrastructure and delivery systems.

Ya know that all of this bitchin, moanin, expert advise, etc. oughta be compiled into a dossier of pissed off gringo factoids and sent to El Presidente de Mexico. I'm sure that he couldn't give a shit about your very few Gringos problemas. Got any input from the indigenous population? Are they blocking the highways with empty 55 gallons drums, empty 5 gallon cans or 1 gallon plastic jugs in the never ending protests about things that are socially unjust en Mehico? Give me a break, you and they willingly choose to live in a waterless freaking desert and expect to turn on your faucet with cool clear potable agua 24/7? That my friends is the luxury of living in a first world country which Puerto Penasco and all of Mexico most certainly AIN'T!

Back a few years ago I had the pleasure of being assigned to an ancient desert shit hole known as Al-Jubail on the Arabian Gulf. We were building a navy helicopter base from scratch, meaning nothing but a strip of desert coastline with monster dunes just above the high tide line. One of the first priorities was H2O, as the local well water was 100% salt water seeping inland for miles from the Gulf. So someone decided to build the then largest state of the art desalt plant ever. Energy to run it was no problem as they were burning off the natural gas from thousands of oil wells. Once built that plant made so much fresh water that it was a global wonderment. The planners figgured that the locals would take advantage of the free resource and plant vast groves of grapes, citrus, date palms and whatever. The did not count on the lifestyle of the local fat assed lazy A-rabs that sleep all night then take a four hour nap at noon and basically do nothing for a living. Why bother? Everyone is a millionaire there anyways.

So the output of that water plant was pumped into a canal system to nowhere filling up the million dollar overflowing concrete canals then dumping in all back into the gulf.

Ya know that now-a-days those desalt plants are run on solar power, so what de fuk chuck??? Heap big sea water y heap big sunshine in PP all-o-de-time.

JJ

Jungle Jim said:

Ya know that all of this bitchin, moanin, expert advise, etc. oughta be compiled into a dossier of pissed off gringo factoids and sent to El Presidente de Mexico. I'm sure that he couldn't give a shit about your very few Gringos problemas. Got any input from the indigenous population? Are they blocking the highways with empty 55 gallons drums, empty 5 gallon cans or 1 gallon plastic jugs in the never ending protests about things that are socially unjust en Mehico? Give me a break, you and they willingly choose to live in a waterless freaking desert and expect to turn on your faucet with cool clear potable agua 24/7? That my friends is the luxury of living in a first world country which Puerto Penasco and all of Mexico most certainly AIN'T!

Back a few years ago I had the pleasure of being assigned to an ancient desert shit hole known as Al-Jubail on the Arabian Gulf. We were building a navy helicopter base from scratch, meaning nothing but a strip of desert coastline with monster dunes just above the high tide line. One of the first priorities was H2O, as the local well water was 100% salt water seeping inland for miles from the Gulf. So someone decided to build the then largest state of the art desalt plant ever. Energy to run it was no problem as they were burning off the natural gas from thousands of oil wells. Once built that plant made so much fresh water that it was a global wonderment. The planners figgured that the locals would take advantage of the free resource and plant vast groves of grapes, citrus, date palms and whatever. The did not count on the lifestyle of the local fat assed lazy A-rabs that sleep all night then take a four hour nap at noon and basically do nothing for a living. Why bother? Everyone is a millionaire there anyways.

So the output of that water plant was pumped into a canal system to nowhere filling up the million dollar overflowing concrete canals then dumping in all back into the gulf.

Ya know that now-a-days those desalt plants are run on solar power, so what de fuk chuck??? Heap big sea water y heap big sunshine in PP all-o-de-time.

JJ

Who is going to pay for it? Maybe this shortage etc. is a good thing...growth is like cancer..to fast you die

mexicoruss said:

what the hell is cat pissing?

A phrasal verb meaning that they are behaving in a silly childish way

Most people on vacation paying $$ to stay at a resort usually don't care about conserving water, re-using towels, etc.

They are there to have a good time and splurge on everything. But the non resorter's have to deal with the fall out from this behavior.

Until the resort management can implement policies that will seriously conserve water while not losing a ton of visitors from this
nothing will change.
During the hot months I wish the water features at the resorts would be scaled back to help conserve.

A short term solution would be for RP to install a large water storage system (for everyone) to help cope with this ongoing problem until a solution can be put into place.