The potential for civil unrest,shortages and slow border crossing is real as EPN continues to screw the Mexican people...social media reports protests are happening on large scale in some parts of Mexico and local protests have already occurred in RP......gas up!
The potential for civil unrest,shortages and slow border crossing is real as EPN continues to screw the Mexican people...social media reports protests are happening on large scale in some parts of Mexico and local protests have already occurred in RP......gas up!
Welcome back Jerry! Happy to see you and Happy New Year!
Was calm in Sonoyta on Jan 2nd at the Pemex Dunas I stopped at to fill up. Magna was $2.90/gal. The only issue I had was both there and on the 28th of December at the Pemex south of Calle 13, they couldn't get credit cards to process so I had to pay in pesos. Not sure what was up with that.
Interesting that the gas station on the Sonoyta bypass road now also kicks back all of my credit cards and so I always have to pay in cash. At first I thought it was my card company being overly protective but I now don't think so.
That $550 Bird coop condo fee that was $7,700 mp two years ago just jumped to $11,625mp
I am pretty sure Mexican labor has not gone up equally. Mexican Central Bank frantically selling pesos today to stem the tide of money flowing north (USA). The anger of locals being manifested in wide spread looting.
The usual Buy/Sell spread is .50 peso out to 1.00-1.25 now. Ouch
I might owe you that beer now! Pricing things in pesos was a mistake I guess if you can't adjust it on the fly
I talked to my friend that lives in RP he said gas stations are still blocked by protesters no gas sales. Protesters blocked roads going deeper in Mexico from RP. His brother who lives deeper said same thing there no motor vehicles are getting by protestors. You want to go to another town you are walking.
So far the way to and from US is still good.
Dont try selling gas in Mexico, you will get thrown in jail. Some people have been arrested already for trying to sell in town.
I talked to my friend that lives in RP he said gas stations are still blocked by protesters no gas sales. Protesters blocked roads going deeper in Mexico from RP. His brother who lives deeper said same thing there no motor vehicles are getting by protestors. You want to go to another town you are walking.
So far the way to and from US is still good.
Dont try selling gas in Mexico, you will get thrown in jail. Some people have been arrested already for trying to sell in town.
Not true. I'm here now and have been here all week. Gas is being sold and nobody is walking anywhere. There have been protests and brief closures of a couple of gas stations. Deeper in Mexico things are a little worse. My husband flew to Mexico City on Wednesday and his brother couldn't come and pick up him from the airport because the highway was closed by protesters. He spent the night at a friend's house and then Thursday morning went on his way just fine. There are a lot of rumors floating around and 99% of them are untrue. Yes, people are mad about the gas price hike - as well they should be, but as I said, a lot is just rumor and people spreading hysteria.
Not true. I'm here now and have been here all week. Gas is being sold and nobody is walking anywhere. There have been protests and brief closures of a couple of gas stations. Deeper in Mexico things are a little worse. My husband flew to Mexico City on Wednesday and his brother couldn't come and pick up him from the airport because the highway was closed by protesters. He spent the night at a friend's house and then Thursday morning went on his way just fine. There are a lot of rumors floating around and 99% of them are untrue. Yes, people are mad about the gas price hike - as well they should be, but as I said, a lot is just rumor and people spreading hysteria.
I didn't say they were walking in RP. I'm just repeating what I was told.
Don't shoot the gringo messenger that was not there.
Passenger Vehicles Maximum Lanes: 8 Standard Lanes: At 6:00 pm MST, 90 min, 5 lane(s) open Readylane: At 6:00 pm MST, 80 min, 1 lane(s) open Sentri Lanes: At 6:00 pm MST, no delay, 1 lane(s) open
Nogal s 90 minutes both crossings.....not seen that in a long while
That's crazy. I filled up a small can today for the quads in the morning across from Reggies. No line. I just came back from having dinner. Drove by 2 Pemex stations. No lines. The only one that had any traffic and looked like it may be under protest was La Estrella on Benito Juarez. Several cars parked and a police vehicle with the lights flashing.
They were the Pemex on the west side of BJ south of the RR tracks, Pemex on Fremont and Sinoloa and Pemex by Las Conchas and the lines were seen between 5:00 and at 8:00 tonight. Reminded me of the gas lines in US in 1974
Friends of Penasco Facebook page reports Sonoyta border was blocked occasionally yesterday.....one person says gas stations will be closed in RP till Tuesday....anyone see this?
A friend sent me this "I just got a message from Penasco. Today there is absolutely no gasoline in town. Apparently, the pipeline has been disrupted somewhere. No protests in Penasco yet"
Its kind of hard to make ends meet for the locals with gas so darn high. Crazy, I would be protesting also If I was in the same boat. Just hope things get back to normal soon.
I don't understand. The looters are cleaning out the department store and many cops, marines are just standing there letting them do it? Can't they at least say drop the stuff and get out? Mobs are a scary group to be around.
On our way back to US and no gas in Sonoyta and we heard none in Caborca or Mexicali either. I don't know what a business does if they have to move perishable items or if there is a medical emergency
The potential for civil unrest,shortages and slow border crossing is real as EPN continues to screw the Mexican people...social media reports protests are happening on large scale in some parts of Mexico and local protests have already occurred in RP......gas up!
I have always feared that the Mexican government would use their control of the petroleum industry as a hedge when the Peso falls. Pemex is one of the largest sources of income for the government and when a government needs money a simple price increase is a quick and easy way to raise additional income which is essentially raising taxes.
Especially a mob with no fear of law "enforcement". Think Ferguson for a perfect example of that mentality. I think the Mexicans are picking up on "our" attitude towards it. I can guarantee that the first looter leaving a business with a bundle of crap in his hands that is given a lawful order to stop by a police officer then fails to do so and ends up with a bullet in his chest will terminate all of it. Especially when captured live of Facebook, Twitter, etc, etc. Same thing applies to our border. There isn't the slightest bit of fear to take into account when climbing the fence even with a dozen "border patrol" officers waiting with open arms on the other side.
.25 cent gasoline in Venezuela has kept the public happy but reality is that now a chicken costs one months salary. People killing zoo animals and stray pets to live. Long live liberal spirits taking from producers to non producers in the name of equality. So happy to see US constitutional fathers saw that popular votes are too risky, too easy targets for fraud and creates despots and Dictators. Mexico had 80 years with one party, Venezualan elections mired in fraud. Decentralized elections are impossible to fix.
H. Caborca, Son.- The situation that is being experienced in the municipalities of the Northwest is not yet felt in the municipalities of Caborca and in the Altar River area, due to the lack of gasoline, however it is expected that if this situation continues, Affect in the next few days, said Carlos Abel Méndez.
In a director of the Municipal Civil Protection Unit, said via telephone that they are already pending supply at the 25 gas stations that exist in Caborca, given that it is a situation that in one way or another could affect the fuel dispensers that must Refueling in the city of Hermosillo, in which the PEMEX plant in several days has been affected by the blockades.
He added that in anticipation of this situation there is already an agreement with a local company to deal with if there is a lack of fuel to protect a margin that helps the emergency and preventive units, with a view to safeguard the safety of the citizens.
On the other hand, it is verified the situation that keeps in the gas stations of the continuous municipalities to this zone as they are Pitiquito and Altar, where until the moment they are offered in service of sale of fuel in normal form.
While in the San Luis Rio Colorado area it has already been confirmed this morning that there is no fuel at any gas station just for official units, while in Puerto Peñasco there is so far only one gas station open and with regard to Sonoyta, The motorists are crossing to the American side to fill their tanks, anticipating the breakdown in the gas stations that are in that population.
If your going down, you better bring some extra gas with you if your going to be driving around in RP. I hope riots dont happen in RP. It would really tarnish RP.
It is illegal to bring gas into Mexico even during the best of times.
When I order a pickup I always try to get the largest tank possible just for this reason. I am installing a new cross the bed tool box that has a 40 gallon tank on the bottom of it--this should give me all the range I need.
I have been bringing gas every trip for the last couple years when the price got outa hand down there. Only had a problem with one trip. Ain't skeered.
When I order a pickup I always try to get the largest tank possible just for this reason. I am installing a new cross the bed tool box that has a 40 gallon tank on the bottom of it--this should give me all the range I need.
Just be aware -- if they tap it and think it's got gas, even if it's somewhat disguised as a toolbox, they WILL turn you around. Mi amigo Audi used to play that game with a 100 gallon bed tank. He got turned around and had to sell it before he could cross. These days (or at least he was, not sure what he'll do now), he crosses with the tank empty and fills up in Sonoyta because it's still cheaper than in Penasco. Or was. Whether or not it stays cheaper remains to be seen, I suppose.
The price jump is going to be a killer for the locals and a lot of the Mexican economy. Unfortunately, I don't think all the protesting in the world is going to change a damned thing. Leaving all politics out of it, Pemex has been a ticking time-bomb for years that finally went off. The govt. really has no choice but to unload as much of it as possible, even in the shambled condition most of its infrastructure is in. Foreign investment is about the only thing that can save it at this point and I don't foresee a lot of companies ready to jump in that oily pit at the moment. It could prove worthwhile because (overall) the Mexican economy is growing, as is their middle class. But, the immediate investment it would take to salvage what's left vs. the ROI? Sheesh, I have no good idea on that and probably a lot of other economists with waaaaay more smarts than me don't know, either. :shrug:
It's all planned out. No big surprises here. Deregulation...prices go up for a bit. Then competition sets in after all the big dogs figure out what the deal is...then the price to the consumer comes down for a while and everyone looks good to the consumer....then it starts all over again. It is a cycle and would not be possible in Mexico if there was not a growing and healthy middle class to pay for it. Don't fool your self, Mexico is not poor like you think, it can be price manipulated just like the good ole USA.
I believe once the honeymoon period is over , we'll all pay more just like we do for the boutique fuel we all use in Maricopa county. Limited suppliers, money paid to legislators to keep it, huge profit for the connected.
From a friend in Miramar:
"I just got back to Miramar from town...barely...made it home on fumes, holding my breath. There is only one station in Rocky Point with gas & the line was at least a mile long. All other stations are closed. Adan (3:00guard) said there is no gas in Sonoyta either & they don't know when there will be. So, amigos, fill up at the border...and bring extra cans full (if they will let you through the border with them???). If anyone has an extra couple of gallons so I can get into town once they "
What does not make sense is that if price goes up demand usually drops. I think the supply has been curtailed as well as the price being increased. A price increase does not hardly ever increase demand.
I hear that as of today (Tuesday) that the supply will start again from SLRC and things will normalize once again, Basically the Gvt says "if you want to protest we simply shut off supply" people will always pay for gas, people will always pay for water......it is a great way to control things, when you have the power to do so.
Unfortunately, you've got a point there, Russ. When there's a monopoly run by the govt., it's easy to control the masses. Perhaps new players in the market can end some of this in the long run, at least for the gas. Water? That's a whole different problem with basically the same end result. People gotta have it.
Picture if this kept going for another week....sailing north on the hobie to escape might be an option....being sort of crazy I have buried stashes all the way to Sasabe..have bike will travel
It was the norm for me to carry and cross the border with up to 10 x 5 gallon filled gas cans along with a full tank of gas for many years to ensure no shortages of unleaded gas in remote areas such as the Sierra Madres. Only recently was I turned back across the border for trying to cross with prohibited fuel. It can and will happen even more under today's conditions in my opinion.
As of 10:00 AM today, Tuesday, still no gas in RP. Also, no gas in Sonoyta. First gas I found going north was at the station in Lukeville. Gas in Why was 2.59/gal for regular. Not much traffic on the RP/Lukeville highway. Looks like everyone is conserving fuel.
As of 10:00 AM today, Tuesday, still no gas in RP. Also, no gas in Sonoyta. First gas I found going north was at the station in Lukeville. Gas in Why was 2.59/gal for regular. Not much traffic on the RP/Lukeville highway. Looks like everyone is conserving fuel.
That's a little disheartening; most of what I had seen posted here and there said this would all be over today. Apparently not.
If the river still ran like it used to, I could always paddle my way on my Hobie from RP to within 100 feet of my front door right here in Yuma.
Kinda glad I changed plans last Friday after hearing little tidbits of the upcoming shit storm now in full effect in RP. And as of today we are totally out of camarones and feletes de garopa en la heilera en me casa.
What if they have run out of money....guess they can borrow from you!
I guess if they run out money then maybe they didn't plan their trip too well. I know one thing about American travelers - they always have either money or a credit card. If I need to loan a bit thats ok too!
I think the issue with gas at 3 bucks a gallon is most Americans can deal with it. Especially those coming to vacay in RP. The poor and even middle class Mexicans in RP and Mexico in general are having a very tough time with gas costing that much. They just don't have the disposable income to pay the difference. At the end of the day, the massive, long term corruption in Mexico is responsible but the poor take it on the chin, again.
I think the issue with gas at 3 bucks a gallon is most Americans can deal with it. Especially those coming to vacay in RP. The poor and even middle class Mexicans in RP and Mexico in general are having a very tough time with gas costing that much. They just don't have the disposable income to pay the difference. At the end of the day, the massive, long term corruption in Mexico is responsible but the poor take it on the chin, again.
That's why it's good to be King. Or Queen! ;)
But, agree wholeheartedly. I'll pump 100+ gallons into the boat for a day of fishing (holds 230 gallons). While not cheap, I watch the panga guys filling up a couple of 5 gallon plastic jugs for their fishing day and often wonder if they don't have the right idea!
Before the recent gas price increases there was quite a differential between gas prices in Sonoyta and Peñasco. I wonder if anyone who has filled up in Sonoyta recently could comment on whether Sonoyta gas prices are still cheaper than in Peñasco. Thanks.
The difference was because Mexican law allowed gas stations within 20 kilometers? of the border to have lower prices so Mexicans wouldn't just cross into the US to purchase their gas. I don't know if that law is rescinded with the new rules effective Jan 1. Still too shaky for me to even head south of the border.
The difference was because Mexican law allowed gas stations within 20 kilometers? of the border to have lower prices so Mexicans wouldn't just cross into the US to purchase their gas. I don't know if that law is rescinded with the new rules effective Jan 1. Still too shaky for me to even head south of the border.
No the subsides were removed 12/31/16 with no notice...that is why some of the shortages happened...Mexico city was telling San Luis etc. that they were now going to purchase gas at 15 but should sell at 12.4....then would get it back months later....the station owners said no..some of them are narcos with ties to the crooked mayor of Sonoyta by the way and have abused the locals in all kinds of ways...on another note the Santa Ana toll road has been opened for 11 straight days...free thanks to the pissed off Mexican people! The government did end up giving in so on the 10th the subsides were worked out....stations opened and gas sold at 12 or so
12+\- pesos for green pump, regular unleaded (sin plomo) would work out around $2.25/gallon which would be in line with the reported 20% increase and still quite manageable. Can anyone verify that price in Sonoyta? Thanks.
Before the recent gas price increases there was quite a differential between gas prices in Sonoyta and Peñasco. I wonder if anyone who has filled up in Sonoyta recently could comment on whether Sonoyta gas prices are still cheaper than in Peñasco. Thanks.
All I can say as I stated previously is that I paid $2.90 in Sonoyta after the 1st of January and I'm hearing PP is about $3.00 now. That difference is certainly a lot narrower than what I experienced in 2016 which was about a 50 to 70 cents a gallon between PP and the border.
All I can say as I stated previously is that I paid $2.90 in Sonoyta after the 1st of January and I'm hearing PP is about $3.00 now. That difference is certainly a lot narrower than what I experienced in 2016 which was about a 50 to 70 cents a gallon between PP and the border.
Pena Nieto is doing the right thing. This had to be done like 20 years ago. You can't blame the current president for mismanagement acts of prior presidents. People in Europe pay even more for fuel, that's why small diesel engine cars are popular there.
Pena Nieto is doing the right thing. This had to be done like 20 years ago. You can't blame the current president for mismanagement acts of prior presidents. People in Europe pay even more for fuel, that's why small diesel engine cars are popular there.
Why is it that Americans think they should "know" what is right everywhere else.
If Mexicans can't afford gas, they simply don't drive. I have seen it over and over. Mexico has to charge the world rate for gas to attract investors and to bring the model up to par. If some can no longer afford gas then that is the way it is. Just because right now your gas is cheap and life is great with the strong dollar and all.....you may be shocked when that goes away and the price of gas goes to the world market and the dollar is second place. Things....they are a changin.
