San Carlos Black and Blue

lagrimas85

AKA Carnac
San Carlos Black and Blue - Home $1000 entry for up tp 4 anglers, thats pretty reasonable, when we fished the Black and Blue in Cabo in 2006, it was $5000.00 per angler, plus another couple thousand for jackpot entries. We took 3rd with 2 sails and a small marlin, in the release division.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
This is a go big or stay at home tournament. $50,000 payout for biggest black or blue OVER 500 lbs. It can be done, but on one given weekend? I dunno... the big boys are more around in Sept. and Oct. I'll have to read the rules more to see what happens in the event nothing over 500 lbs. is landed. And what happens if you bring a marlin in that doesn't hit the 500 lb. mark? Would really suck to have a 465 lb. and get penalized for it. I'm not all that keen on killing marlin anyway and prefer the Cantina Cup and Labor Day tournaments in San Carlos because they are a release format, points awarded for verified releases, rather than dead fish hanging on scales at the dock.
 

lagrimas85

AKA Carnac
This is a go big or stay at home tournament. $50,000 payout for biggest black or blue OVER 500 lbs. It can be done, but on one given weekend? I dunno... the big boys are more around in Sept. and Oct. I'll have to read the rules more to see what happens in the event nothing over 500 lbs. is landed. And what happens if you bring a marlin in that doesn't hit the 500 lb. mark? Would really suck to have a 465 lb. and get penalized for it. I'm not all that keen on killing marlin anyway and prefer the Cantina Cup and Labor Day tournaments in San Carlos because they are a release format, points awarded for verified releases, rather than dead fish hanging on scales at the dock.
With no judges on the boats in San Carlos, alot of the fish get slaughtered after they report the release anyway, that happened to me on Lee Lee (We took it from Penasco to San Carlos). I told the helper the fish didn't qualify to kill, and he said no but he qualifies for my freezer and started hitting him in the head with a bat.
 

Stuart

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Staff member
With no judges on the boats in San Carlos, alot of the fish get slaughtered after they report the release anyway, that happened to me on Lee Lee (We took it from Penasco to San Carlos). I told the helper the fish didn't qualify to kill, and he said no but he qualifies for my freezer and started hitting him in the head with a bat.
That's sad, actually. I've seen some head-beating going on when I used to fish from pangas. You get 50-60 boats in a tourney and they all have that attitude, that's some major marlin carnage. I mean, I have no objection to somebody occasionally keeping one to eat. But, I'd rather promote and participate in release tournaments for billfish -- especially when they're targeting the big female breeders like that. The males don't usually hit that +500 lb. mark, it's the females.

It's tough changing attitudes in Mexico. Turtles are another good example. I've cut turtles free from longlines in San Carlos, but even though it's illegal to catch and eat them, there's still a huge black market demand for them. One turtle is worth some serious ching and as long as there are pesos to be made, heads often turn the other way and pretend not to see it.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
This explains it. Otherwise, it's like any other catch and release tournament. Like I said earlier, it would sure suck to catch the 490 lb. one used as the example. I'm a fairly good judge of fish weight from years of fishing, but on a fish that size, nobody can look at it and nail it within 10 pounds. And no way you can weigh it on the boat and release it if it's under. There are some pretty good girth/length = weight formulas out there, but exactly how do you get those measurements without trying to pull that 500 pounder on board? Gotta go with a lucky guesstimation, I suppose.

No Qualifying Fish Caught - In the event no qualifying fish (500+) are caught during the tournament there is no refund of Base Entry Fees. We have taken out an insurance policy and this pays for the insurance underwriting for the $50,000 grand prize.

Penalty Points & Disqualification
- Black or blue marlin weighing less than 500 lbs. are not eligible for grand prize cash awards. Black or blue marlin brought to weigh station that weigh less than 500 lbs. are awarded zero points and additionally penalized 150 points plus 20 points for every pound under 500.
EXAMPLE: A 490 lb. blue marlin would be awarded 0 points and the team penalized 150 points plus 20 points (20ts. x 10lbs.), making the total points for the fish -350. The negative points are deducted from the team’s overall catch and release points: Tuna weighing less than 15 lbs. and Dorado weighing less than 15 lbs. do not count.
 

Roberto

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I had a comment to add to the discussion, but I might get misintrepeted and then it would be BANNED CAMP for me !!
 

lagrimas85

AKA Carnac
When we brought the boat from San Diego to Cabo in 2006, for the Black and Blue, between Magdalena Bay and Thetis Banks, we caught and released 13 striped marlin, in about a 3 hour period, plus lots of yellowfin tuna, dorado and right outside the bay lots of yellowtail, I had 2 of my kids on that trip, that was a great experience for them. Then right after that we took the boat to Matzatlan and fished the 2006 Billfish Classic, the only thing we caught in Matzatlan were sailfish. Which count the same as a marlin for points, but dont help in the kill division. I tired of fishing.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
I had a comment to add to the discussion, but I might get misintrepeted and then it would be BANNED CAMP for me !!
No you wouldn't. Unless, of course, you were deliberately trying to be an ass. Even then, you'd probably get by unless you directed it at someone in particular.

How many fishing tournaments have you participated in, Roberto?
 

Stuart

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The one entering this tourny is this personified Mex fish batted dead and left to dry and hung 8 hours later; and then used as chicken feed if lucky. This sound like another sucky tourney.
You have to consider though, 50k in USD, tax free, is a pretty nice chunk of ching. My guess is, if one is even caught over 500, it will be a Mexican captain that does it. They could live for several years on that kind of money. The odds are stacked against them at this time of year for a fish that big, which is probably why they were able to buy an insurance policy that big for cheap to cover the grand prize. Very little chance it will actually pay out.

Don't kid yourself about San Carlos, though. There are fish that size out there. I've caught and released several blues in the 300 lb. range. And a couple years back, a Mexican crew boated a 759 lb. black that died during the fight. As I said earlier, that was in October when the big ol' mossback blacks cruise through. Not likely to do that in two days of fishing this time of the year. That's why the Bisbee's Black and Blue, the richest billfish tournament in the world, is held in Cabo during October.
 

Roberto

Guest
No you wouldn't. Unless, of course, you were deliberately trying to be an ass. Even then, you'd probably get by unless you directed it at someone in particular.

How many fishing tournaments have you participated in, Roberto?
Is it your rule that participating in a tournament a prerequisite to discuss one here?

Well I just do not go in for competitive killing events, so the answer is none. Simply does not appeal to me. I grew up hunting and fishing and I have never proposed any sort of ban on fishing. You are real touchy about this subject and sometimes insulting, snide and unfair to others interested in an open discussion. I will stay away from fishing discussions, although some aspects of it interest me.
 

Stuart

Aye carumba!!!
Staff member
Whatever, Roberto. You know good and well there's no "rule" about discussing anything you pretty much feel like here. Except direct political discussion outside of Rants and Raves (only due to the inevitable course those threads take). It's certainly never stopped you before.

There was no snideness, just an honest answer. And a legitimate question, in no way meant to preclude you from the discussion. I asked because I was interested in what you might add to the discussion. Don't feel you have to read bewteen the lines for any deeper meaning; there isn't one. I had no idea Bill had fished so many tourneys. Was curious if you had, too.

By the same token you say you don't go for killing events, I'm not a hunter. Never shot a bambi or bear or hog or much of anything. I did shoot a racoon once that was killing off all our chickens, then felt horrible the next day when three baby racoons came crying up the driveway looking for their mama. That's life growing up on a farm.

Fishing has always been different for me. It's not like staring down a gunsight and pulling the trigger and taking an animal's life. You can go out one day with a lure and coax lots of fish into biting. The next day? Not so much as a nibble. The fish actually have some choice in the matter. They can bite, or not bite. And there's no guarantee they'll do either on any given day. Even though I don't hunt, I can appreciate those that do. It's outdoors, it's often an adventure, like fishing, and there is a specific skill set involved to be any good at it.

Yes, I'm passionate about it, as I am about many things. If you don't have a passion for what you do and what you believe in, then why bother? You are a passionate person. I don't even have to tell you this.

I can respect that you don't like organized "killing" events. I don't either, which is why I'm a huge fan of release, not kill, tournaments. You stated you've never fished in a tournament, so you wouldn't understand the level of competition and the skill set involved to be successful in one. The excitement and disappointment. The shotgun start in the morning with so many boats racing out to the fishing grounds. The check-ins during the day. The comraderie in the evening. The trash talk and side bets amongst boats. Proving that your boat and crew is the best amongst the group, beyond sheer luck. The money? Eh, I'd do it if they were giving away Spongebob Squarepants trophies. Any cash I might win is a bonus, but it's not the major motivator for most people that fish big game tournaments. The ones I've been involved with donate a large portion of the proceeds not only to the winners, but to local Mexican charities, like the Rescate in San Carlos. It's not a bunch of crazed fish-o-philes trying to kill anything with fins.
 

MIRAMAR

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Roberto, it seemed that EVERY discussion/thread degraded into a political rant (including this one). It grew old and tiresome, so I for one was grateful there was a stop to it. There were several people who REALLY contributed interesting discussion who no longer seem to be on the site due to the rants and "snide and unfair" insults hurled their way. I wish they would come back and the political b.s. would stop. I go to this site for info on RP- if I want politics, I'll stick to Politico, Fox, MSNBC, etc.. No amount of ranting, insulting, or degrading comments on this site are going to change my mind of whom I will vote for President.
 

aprilsuzanne55

BeachGirl
It is still a good site! Don't give up on Rocky Point Talk!
I just joined, but I have been getting quick and reliable info for years by reading posts on this site.
There are helpful, funny, goodhearted people on this forum.
 

GV Jack

Snorin God
It is still a good site! Don't give up on Rocky Point Talk!
I just joined, but I have been getting quick and reliable info for years by reading posts on this site.
There are helpful, funny, goodhearted people on this forum.
And then there's us...right Roberto????
 
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